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Goodbye yellow prick roadknob
Goodbye yellow prick roadknob
My biggest issue with Pochettino is what I see present day in the Spurs team. Looking back on his best XI, which was probably Lloris, Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Dele, Son, Kane, only 4 were signed by Poch, the other 7 were already at the club.
My issue is, has he been a good manager or did he just get a little bit lucky? I'm pretty sure it's not luck but when we look at the best team during his tenure, 6 years in and the fact that 7 of those guys were not identified nor have they been sufficiently replaced to date when required does come as a concern.
He's had over £400m to spend on incomings if you consider the Lo Celso deal to be a permanent one, does anyone really see £400m worth of improvements in the team at present? That would be my biggest concern to date, he hasn't proved he can do it with something regarded as genuinely his team.
He wanted players like Berahino, Schneiderlin etc and turned down Maddison for peanuts. He wasn't interested in Lo Celso for £20m but was a year later at £50m etc. He hasn't exactly got a top drawer record when it comes to wise investments so it comes as no surprise to me that when the old guard start to age, the team looks a little frail.
I'd put this question to those who post quite regularly in the youth team(s) section in this forum. I've read plenty and been educated via many posters in there through their views and with what (might) be going on with out youth.Something that's been overlooked is the role of the academy (or lack of...)
For years, the media - and club, including Poch - has espoused its value. In an ideal world, Poch would have been able to drop uncommitted players like Toby and brought in younger players, yet aside from Winks and Kane, not a single player could be considered premier league ready or Top 4 grade. Those players may not work out long term but at least would provide a short term boost and bridge before investment could be made
Compare that to United, Arsenal, Liverpool or more pertinently Chelsea, who have compensated for their transfer ban by bringing in a number of young players who have hit the ground running.
When I look at the physical maturity of Mount, and Hudson Odoi, LRC, Trent Alexander Arnold, and compare them to our players they are worlds apart.
Look at the talent Chelsea let go because of their short termism and compare it to ours. I can't think of a single academy player we've released who has gone on to be anywhere near the level of de Bruyne or Salah. KWP is never going to make the grade - they're now talking about a loan. CCV will never make the grade. Skipp looks technically accomplished, and Parrott has incredible potential but the cupboard is bare and even at 18 - 19 years of age they are miles behind the Chelsea crop in terms of readiness
The question has to be asked - for all the talk about the academy, why has it so failed to produce sufficient players of the requisite standard to provide an alternative (even in just the short term) to players who don't want to be there and are no longer hungry?
Something that's been overlooked is the role of the academy (or lack of...)
For years, the media - and club, including Poch - has espoused its value. In an ideal world, Poch would have been able to drop uncommitted players like Toby and brought in younger players, yet aside from Winks and Kane, not a single player could be considered premier league ready or Top 4 grade. Those players may not work out long term but at least would provide a short term boost and bridge before investment could be made
Compare that to United, Arsenal, Liverpool or more pertinently Chelsea, who have compensated for their transfer ban by bringing in a number of young players who have hit the ground running.
When I look at the physical maturity of Mount, and Hudson Odoi, LRC, Trent Alexander Arnold, and compare them to our players they are worlds apart.
Look at the talent Chelsea let go because of their short termism and compare it to ours. I can't think of a single academy player we've released who has gone on to be anywhere near the level of de Bruyne or Salah. KWP is never going to make the grade - they're now talking about a loan. CCV will never make the grade. Skipp looks technically accomplished, and Parrott has incredible potential but the cupboard is bare and even at 18 - 19 years of age they are miles behind the Chelsea crop in terms of readiness
The question has to be asked - for all the talk about the academy, why has it so failed to produce sufficient players of the requisite standard to provide an alternative (even in just the short term) to players who don't want to be there and are no longer hungry?
Something that's been overlooked is the role of the academy (or lack of...)
For years, the media - and club, including Poch - has espoused its value. In an ideal world, Poch would have been able to drop uncommitted players like Toby and brought in younger players, yet aside from Winks and Kane, not a single player could be considered premier league ready or Top 4 grade. Those players may not work out long term but at least would provide a short term boost and bridge before investment could be made
Compare that to United, Arsenal, Liverpool or more pertinently Chelsea, who have compensated for their transfer ban by bringing in a number of young players who have hit the ground running.
When I look at the physical maturity of Mount, and Hudson Odoi, LRC, Trent Alexander Arnold, and compare them to our players they are worlds apart.
Look at the talent Chelsea let go because of their short termism and compare it to ours. I can't think of a single academy player we've released who has gone on to be anywhere near the level of de Bruyne or Salah. KWP is never going to make the grade - they're now talking about a loan. CCV will never make the grade. Skipp looks technically accomplished, and Parrott has incredible potential but the cupboard is bare and even at 18 - 19 years of age they are miles behind the Chelsea crop in terms of readiness
The question has to be asked - for all the talk about the academy, why has it so failed to produce sufficient players of the requisite standard to provide an alternative (even in just the short term) to players who don't want to be there and are no longer hungry?
You do have a point, which is why I qualified what I was saying by saying that I'm optimistic in thinking that it's not going to happen, but what I have suggested could happen is not as far fetched as it might sound, as a lot can happen in football in a week. Let's take the last week of ours before the international break. I know we were well under par but who in their right mind would have thought we would lose 7-2 at home and follow it up with a 3-0 loss away to Brighton thus losing on aggregate 10-2 in a week !! Not even the most doom mongering of doom merchants or antagonistic AFTV followers or Kumb members could have come up with a nightmare scenario like that.If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
All joking aside Poch hasn’t done nearly enough with all the talent he has had at his disposal and can only see things getting worse unless he is sacked. This post from a utd forum is spot on and worth a read View attachment 56825
All joking aside Poch hasn’t done nearly enough with all the talent he has had at his disposal and can only see things getting worse unless he is sacked. This post from a utd forum is spot on and worth a read View attachment 56825
You do have a point, which is why I qualified what I was saying by saying that I'm optimistic in thinking that it's not going to happen, but what I have suggested could happen is not as far fetched as it might sound, as a lot can happen in football in a week. Let's take the last week of ours before the international break. I know we were well under par but who in their right mind would have thought we would lose 7-2 at home and follow it up with a 3-0 loss away to Brighton thus losing on aggregate 10-2 in a week !! Not even the most doom mongering of doom merchants or antagonistic AFTV followers or Kumb members could have come up with a nightmare scenario like that.
I am hoping the Brighton result was just shock from the Bayern game.
We played very well 1st half against Bayern and 2nd half every time they shot they scored, it was a freak result
I am hoping the Brighton result was just shock from the Bayern game.
We played very well 1st half against Bayern and 2nd half every time they shot they scored, it was a freak result
I am hoping the Brighton result was just shock from the Bayern game.
We played very well 1st half against Bayern and 2nd half every time they shot they scored, it was a freak result
My biggest issue with Pochettino is what I see present day in the Spurs team. Looking back on his best XI, which was probably Lloris, Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Dele, Son, Kane, only 4 were signed by Poch, the other 7 were already at the club.
My issue is, has he been a good manager or did he just get a little bit lucky? I'm pretty sure it's not luck but when we look at the best team during his tenure, 6 years in and the fact that 7 of those guys were not identified nor have they been sufficiently replaced to date when required does come as a concern.
He's had over £400m to spend on incomings if you consider the Lo Celso deal to be a permanent one, does anyone really see £400m worth of improvements in the team at present? That would be my biggest concern to date, he hasn't proved he can do it with something regarded as genuinely his team.
He wanted players like Berahino, Schneiderlin etc and turned down Maddison for peanuts. He wasn't interested in Lo Celso for £20m but was a year later at £50m etc. He hasn't exactly got a top drawer record when it comes to wise investments so it comes as no surprise to me that when the old guard start to age, the team looks a little frail.
You were doing so well until you mentioned De Bruyne and Salah, who weren't even remotely Chelsea youth players...
Your overall point isn't massively off though but then that's been argued back and forth on the Youth Thread for ages.
There seems to be a strange disconnect through the club at the moment.
I am hoping the Brighton result was just shock from the Bayern game.
I too am hoping that you are right, yes you are correct in stating that we were the better side against Bayern for the first 35 minutes, but our workrate dropped considerably after that and they clearly took over and we were vulnerable from the last 15 mins of that first half and for most of that second half.I am hoping the Brighton result was just shock from the Bayern game.
We played very well 1st half against Bayern and 2nd half every time they shot they scored, it was a freak result
Agree. Mutton dressed as lambComon Watford!
Something that's been overlooked is the role of the academy (or lack of...)
For years, the media - and club, including Poch - has espoused its value. In an ideal world, Poch would have been able to drop uncommitted players like Toby and brought in younger players, yet aside from Winks and Kane, not a single player could be considered premier league ready or Top 4 grade. Those players may not work out long term but at least would provide a short term boost and bridge before investment could be made
Compare that to United, Arsenal, Liverpool or more pertinently Chelsea, who have compensated for their transfer ban by bringing in a number of young players who have hit the ground running.
When I look at the physical maturity of Mount, and Hudson Odoi, LRC, Trent Alexander Arnold, and compare them to our players they are worlds apart.
Look at the talent Chelsea let go because of their short termism and compare it to ours. I can't think of a single academy player we've released who has gone on to be anywhere near the level of de Bruyne or Salah. KWP is never going to make the grade - they're now talking about a loan. CCV will never make the grade. Skipp looks technically accomplished, and Parrott has incredible potential but the cupboard is bare and even at 18 - 19 years of age they are miles behind the Chelsea crop in terms of readiness
The question has to be asked - for all the talk about the academy, why has it so failed to produce sufficient players of the requisite standard to provide an alternative (even in just the short term) to players who don't want to be there and are no longer hungry?