The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[SugarRay]

We need top 4 more than ever for next season in the new stadium.
Poch didn’t make KWP handle the ball or Tripps to miss the pen!
With all our injuries There’s little more he can do.

The thing is, do we need it more than ever? What does it actually bring us ( apart from some fixtures against a glamourous name or two, which I thoroughly enjoy by the way )

People talk about money it brings, but apparently our stadium wasn’t built on that money being a factor. It doesn’t help us attract players that’s for certain.
Keeping players? Hmmm, those who seemingly want to go are after trophies and honours or playing for a certain club so no big contract will make them change their mind(s)

I’m starting to think people are becoming brainwashed into thinking top four is the be all and end all. It really isn’t for us.

 

[Coco-1101]

Yes, well, glass houses and all that. Enjoy your evening

You talking about our new stadium?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

You talking about our new stadium?

No, but you're tilting at windmills really fucking hard right now, would you like the musical accompaniment to go with it?

Take the night off.

 

[buckley]

so you want to win a trophy like the league cup that teams play weakened teams where you could possibly play lower league opposition in most rounds .
I can tell you who the top four were almost every year but the way things are now I could not tell you who won the the league cup or fa cup as these competitions have slipped to have almost no real kudos you win a cup so what .
You win the league or champions league and everyone knows .
You have to move with the times Arsene Wenger who won many cups said it was top four that mattered and he is right.
In my time the Fa cup was as important as the league unfortunately that is not the case now its a shame but you have to face up to facts .
Clubs now are global companies and have fans all over the world they identify with the champions league and the league title if you close your eyes to the facts you will not go forward and the only chance we will have of signing top talent is if we are in the champions league because that is where the top talent wants to play and if we miss out on the top four they will not come to us unless we pay silly money and only Abramovich and the oil sheiks have the ability to pay silly money as they don't have to balance their books and any debts in trading are written off by the uber rich .
If we can get into the top four for next year we will be moved to a higher level regarding transfer fees and wages.

 

[Mr Pink]

there is no way Eriksen who is 26 now is going to stay and sign a new contract for a club who think finishing in the top 4 for the next 5 years is over achieving and I cant blame him.

Well if you think winning the FA Cup, would keep Eriksen if Madrid swoosh in and match Levy's price you're dreaming

 

[Roy's Racers]

Poch is reaping what he has sowed with our forwards. The lack of game minutes and faith in Llorente has manifested. The rest of the team do not believe if there's half a chance that Llorente will finish it. When there an early cross, it will be inevitably be where Llorente isn't. This is his 2nd season and yet the team don't know whether when they play it up to him if he's going to hold it or set a layoff for another player... Because they still don't know his game.

 

[Coco-1101]

No, but you're tilting at windmills really fucking hard right now, would you like the musical accompaniment to go with it?

Take the night off.

Is there new feature in our new stadium by using windmill energy to pump water for the pitch.

 

[rossdapep]

The thing that bothers me is that we are constantly told (correctly) that we are a better team than Chelsea, yet once again they are in a final and are progressing into the latter rounds of the FA Cup and Europa and with not many big teams in their way. Why can't we progress and show a bit more ambition. We are due a trophy now.

I worry that Poch loses sight of the short-term goals, like winning FA Cups and League Cups, in his pursuit to believe in the project. If you show to much faith in the future it may never come and we may see the best years go.

Kane's 26, therefore we absolutely need to win something soon. Time creeps up on you.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Is Poch naive enough to think that the players, and fans, are going to be satisfied with winning no trophies and focusing on finishing in the top 4?

 

[St José Dominguez]

so you want to win a trophy like the league cup that teams play weakened teams where you could possibly play lower league opposition in most rounds .
I can tell you who the top four were almost every year but the way things are now I could not tell you who won the the league cup or fa cup as these competitions have slipped to have almost no real kudos you win a cup so what .
You win the league or champions league and everyone knows .
You have to move with the times Arsene Wenger who won many cups said it was top four that mattered and he is right.
In my time the Fa cup was as important as the league unfortunately that is not the case now its a shame but you have to face up to facts .
Clubs now are global companies and have fans all over the world they identify with the champions league and the league title if you close your eyes to the facts you will not go forward and the only chance we will have of signing top talent is if we are in the champions league because that is where the top talent wants to play and if we miss out on the top four they will not come to us unless we pay silly money and only Abramovich and the oil sheiks have the ability to pay silly money as they don't have to balance their books and any debts in trading are written off by the uber rich .
If we can get into the top four for next year we will be moved to a higher level regarding transfer fees and wages.

You’ve got a better memory than me, I can’t remember who won league cups either or who qualified for CL in the 2007/08 and 2012/2013 season.
I know who won the league cup in 98/99 and 07/08 though, those memories are burned into my mind.

 

[paulcumpstone]

Well if you think winning the FA Cup, would keep Eriksen if Madrid swoosh in and match Levy's price you're dreaming

not so much winning the FA Cup but showing that we are good enough to win trophies and and so the mentality in the big games later into competitions. All I see is a weak squad with some exceptional players, and as a squad I think we have been going backwards for 2 years now and expect to see more of the same in the summer, toby will deffo go and I fully expect Eriksen to then follow suit. see nothing to suggest we have a clue in the transfer market.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

If he genuinely believes that the youth and backups we have here now are better than any signing other than those top tier talents, then I guess more power to him. Not sure how good this ideal is mid to long term, but as I see written on here so often, the man has earned our trust who are we to doubt him ... ?

 

[St José Dominguez]

The thing that bothers me is that we are constantly told (correctly) that we are a better team than Chelsea, yet once again they are in a final and are progressing into the latter rounds of the FA Cup and Europa and with not many big teams in their way. Why can't we progress and show a bit more ambition. We are due a trophy now.

I worry that Poch loses sight of the short-term goals, like winning FA Cups and League Cups, in his pursuit to believe in the project. If you show to much faith in the future it may never come and we may see the best years go.

Kane's 26, therefore we absolutely need to win something soon. Time creeps up on you.

That’s the thing, sometimes it feels like people think we’re located in Neverland. Players are aging, this group will very quickly become unrecognisable from the teams who nearly won the league when we were told we need to let the team learn and grow together. Already it is without Walker and Dembele. Toby could be gone soon and Jan retired. This great era and opportunity will soon be gone and we could have nothing to show for it except us nearly doing a few things. There is that lingering worry for me that we got a little lucky with getting Jan, Eriksen and Dele before prices went mental and Kane was free. It’s not a definite in 5 years we will have managed to build a side anywhere near what we are and were.

 

[SugarRay]

Well if you think winning the FA Cup, would keep Eriksen if Madrid swoosh in and match Levy's price you're dreaming

I think even if we won the champions league or league, both of which we have zero chance of winning anytime soon as things stands by the way, it still wouldn’t convince Eriksen to stay.

He’s probably dreamt of a Real since he was a kid. If they want him and come to an agreement he’s off no doubt.

Anyway, winning the FA Cup isn’t about convincing people to stay, it’s for us fucking fans as far as I’m concerned!
I’ll be too busy celebrating to give a fuck about trying to convince player A B or C to stay.

I think a few here lose sight of just how enjoyable it would be for US lot to see the club win something at times

 

[felmani26]

Is Poch naive enough to think that the players, and fans, are going to be satisfied with winning no trophies and focusing on finishing in the top 4?

I think plenty do unfortunately.

I do hate this notion that you either prioritise one or the other - you go into a campaign looking to compete on all fronts and surely if you're a top 6 club you are looking at reaching the latter stages in each with a target of winning at least one.

We've handicapped ourselves this season by not being prepared with adequate replacements coupled with Poch's over reliance on certain players at the expense of others.

This squad we've assembled is now entering the autumn of its cycle and I don't think we can procrastinate much longer in remedying problems which are very shortly going to be major fucking (costly) headaches!

 

[Gb160]

I love Poch but sometimes he makes me angry

I'll get negged for this, but he's bang on though, domestic trophies give the fans a few days of mouthing off to their mates, but in the grand scheme of things aren't very important.

 

[riggi]

Is Poch naive enough to think that the players, and fans, are going to be satisfied with winning no trophies and focusing on finishing in the top 4?

Yes. A big part of our fanbase would happily do an Arsenal and get the top 4 trophy for years rather than a domestic cup.

 

[Lumiere]

so you want to win a trophy like the league cup that teams play weakened teams where you could possibly play lower league opposition in most rounds .
I can tell you who the top four were almost every year but the way things are now I could not tell you who won the the league cup or fa cup as these competitions have slipped to have almost no real kudos you win a cup so what .
You win the league or champions league and everyone knows .
You have to move with the times Arsene Wenger who won many cups said it was top four that mattered and he is right.
In my time the Fa cup was as important as the league unfortunately that is not the case now its a shame but you have to face up to facts .
Clubs now are global companies and have fans all over the world they identify with the champions league and the league title if you close your eyes to the facts you will not go forward and the only chance we will have of signing top talent is if we are in the champions league because that is where the top talent wants to play and if we miss out on the top four they will not come to us unless we pay silly money and only Abramovich and the oil sheiks have the ability to pay silly money as they don't have to balance their books and any debts in trading are written off by the uber rich .
If we can get into the top four for next year we will be moved to a higher level regarding transfer fees and wages.

Whether other fans remember your cup win is totally irrelevant. It's special to the clubs supporters and thats all that matters.

Moments like that 2008 cup win are why supporting your club can be special and I know for a fact that most Spurs fans will never forget that.

 

[Gb160]

Yes. A big part of our fanbase would happily do an Arsenal and get the top 4 trophy for years rather than a domestic cup.

Thats because that part of our fanbase can see the bigger picture Riggs.
You don't stand a chance of keeping players like Kane and Alli unless you're in the CL...and nor could you even afford to.

 

[SugarRay]

Whether other fans remember your cup win is totally irrelevant. It's special to the clubs supporters and thats all that matters.

Moments like that 2008 cup win are why supporting your club can be special and I know for a fact that most Spurs fans will never forget that.

This. If you pay any real attention to what anyone else thinks of us then you should go follow someone else or look at a different sport altogether. In fact I’d go as far as to say if you’re getting too bogged down with that shit you’re borderline not a real fan...or at least you’re supporting in the wrong way or seomthing!

I’m still celebrating 91. Gascoigne free kick in th semi, Walkers og, the run to the final, even Links penalty miss. Does it bother me that my Liverpool supporting mate remember none of this?