The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[spursfan77]

Welcome to the internet. It's really a sad trend.

Only thing we can do on SC is to try an stop it on here.

You should see other communities it's disgusting.

There can't be anyone left on COYS!

 

[dudu]

The point is why him?

What did Eriksen do that was so special that anyone else couldn't have done?

Essentially Eriksen just became a body to carry out a certain defensive task but the quality on the ball and his composure was lacking, we knew that was the case because of his form this season due to his personal circumstances this season.

So forget the tactics and what the plan may have been I get it, the issue I have and I think a lot of fans have is the personel, all you're doing is giving people a reason to question you if you pick a player that doesn't want to be at the club and clearly shows no desire to play for Spurs.

And playing him over players who want to be at this club is just detrimental to the team and those players, he's not going to be here in 8 months so we should be planning for life without him, whether that means playing Lucas out there or Sissoko at least the players and fans will see what you're trying to do.

I'm.pretty sure people would have accepted the fact and been more understanding if we lost that game with the players who will take us forward.

I mean, I showed that Son and Alli didn't do as good a job as he and Sissoko did on that side so to say that anyone could have done it isn't 100% accurate. Plus Winks, Alli, Sissoko, were all as poor on the ball as he and they all want to be here so I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

EDIT - Also, how do you even know this. He was at said dinner last week was he not? Perhaps the rest of the team championed for him to be back in the side after he was left out for two games - its complete conjecture.

 

[Johnny J]

I can't personally see the need for so many different types of neg ratings as it does, I agree invite animosity but personally I tend to ignore it because people do themselves no favours by doing it anyway.

I generally dislike ratings systems on forums. I think it polarises discussions and means people don't focus as much on the substance of what people are saying. Personally I never give people negative ratings. If I disagree, I'll reply and explain why.

 

[dimiSpur]

There can't be anyone left on COYS!

You can get banned for saying anything on there. It was the first forum I found before SC and I got banned for disagreeing with a moderator over a footballing matter. It's like the Third Reich. Hope this place doesn't follow suit with ITK.

 

[coys200]

Moving Sissoko over to Eriksen position and bringing on Ndombele at HT was one of the most obvious tactical changes you could ever imagine. So much so my 8 yr old niece was calling for it at HT.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

I generally dislike ratings systems on forums. I think it polarises discussions and means people don't focus as much on the substance of what people are saying. Personally I never give people negative ratings. If I disagree, I'll reply and explain why.

This is the approach I take. I will never give a negative rating. It’s a discussion forum, let’s discuss.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think WAY too much importance is attached to what managers say in press conferences. Some handle them well, some not so much.

We saw this with Redknapp, it got to the stage where literally everything he said was pounced on, spun to suit or he got hammered for it. It got ridiculous and that's how it's getting now, although admittedly, the bloke did love a camera.

So, he's to pick the team SC wants, play the tactics SC wants, sell or sign the players SC wants and every question he answers should also be answered how SC wants.

I reckon we should petition Levy to rotate us as manager, give us a week each.

We'd be perfect wouldn't we

Wouldn't we?

Agree with the over top analysis of his comments in the press.

When things are going badly, for as long as they have been, it's only natural to look closer at what's going on.

The truth is though we don't know why it's got to this stage but we havnt won away since January, our league form has been very poor since then and our football isn't enjoyable to watch anymore for the most part.

It's just inevitable people will scrutinise more closely.

 

[Shadydan]

I mean, I showed that Son and Alli didn't do as good a job as he and Sissoko did on that side so to say that anyone could have done it isn't 100% accurate. Plus Winks, Alli, Sissoko, were all as poor on the ball as he and they all want to be here so I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

EDIT - Also, how do you even know this. He was at said dinner last week was he not? Perhaps the rest of the team championed for him to be back in the side after he was left out for two games - its complete conjecture.

We're talking about Eriksen not Eriksen and Sissoko unless you're willing to admit that Sissoko was significant in stopping Roberton as well, if not I don't get your point about defending Erisken or defending his inclusion?

Also comparing Son's role to Eriksen's isn't comparable really, Son was obviously instructed to get forward and catch Liverpool on the break, something with many coaches have been doing targeting TAA's weak spot, our best chances came from the Son's area so the strategy was clear.

Also Eriksen was statistically our worst player in possession and generally playing in more space than the others which is even more damming - although Alli did lose possession one more time and Eriksen:

I know this by Lucas signing a new contract in August: Wants to be at the club
Sissoko signing a new contract last month: Wants to be at the club
Winks signing a new contract in May: Wants to be at the club
Lo Celso and Ndombele just signed this summer: I'm pretty sure they want to be at the club as well.
Skipp Can't imagine him not wanting to be at the club
Dier You may have a point there.
Eriksen Hasn't signed a contract for 3 years and openly said he'd like to seek new a challenge: Hmmm and this is before we get into his displays on the pitch and his form over the last 12 months or so.

This isn't conjecture, doubtful the rest of the squad championed his inclusion back into the team because he wasn't dropped in the first place, he was injured, that's a reach.

 

[McFlash]

Welcome to the internet. It's really a sad trend.

Only thing we can do on SC is to try an stop it on here.

You should see other communities it's disgusting.

I totally agree, which is why I've stayed away from places like twitter.
I'm just getting older and grumpier and with 3 young kids, finding myself quicker to call it out.
On the whole, SC is a brilliant place and I completely etely understand that frustrations are running high and with that, comes emotions.

I just think it's better to try to behave online, like you would face to face and if you can't manage that, at least take a moment to reflect before posting.

If you're a naturally rude and obnoxious person anyway, I guess just carry on as usual!

 

[McFlash]

Youre right. I get frustrated with the level of vitriol directed at experts in society. People with no experience or insight loudly and emotionally accuse people at the top of their game of being as ignorant and motivated as they are.

That does not excuse the insults and thank you for calling me out.



Liverpool are the best team in club football right now. We had two chances to go 2-0 up at their ground that were better than any chance they had that they didn’t score and created many more on top.

We weren’t perfect but then we had rose and aurier at fullback against a team that can hurt you from anywhere. I don’t think we can pin that on Eriksen or Sons defensive efforts..

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty of times on here that I've said things that I later regretted. I know that there are things that I've later apologised to certain posters for.
We're only emotional humans after all, sometimes we all need a little nudge.

 

[Dharmabum]

It’s not an easy situation for Pochettino though. It’s no secret that Pochettino would have preferred to have sold 6 of his present 1st team players – Aurier, Jan, Toby, Rose, Wanyama and Eriksen – this summer and had them replaced before the season started.
That’s all 4 of his presently preferred back-4.
How much of that is down to Levy or simply lack of interest from other clubs that those 6 are still at the club I don’t know but it sure isn’t an easy – and most probably is a bit of a toxic - situation to deal with.
Then you have the injuries to Lo Celso and Sessegnon.
Dier and Dele have underperformed for 1 ½ season now….rather than develop and turning into the key-players in their respective area. which expected from them. They were key players during Pochettino’s inital "success" years, so I can understand why he seem to be patient with both of them.
On top of that you have captain Lloris who’s been rather erratic over the last 2 seasons.

 

[Ronwol196061]

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It’s not an easy situation for Pochettino though. It’s no secret that Pochettino would have preferred to have sold 6 of his present 1st team players – Aurier, Jan, Toby, Rose, Wanyama and Eriksen – this summer and had them replaced before the season started.
That’s all 4 of his presently preferred back-4.
How much of that is down to Levy or simply lack of interest from other clubs that those 6 are still at the club I don’t know but it sure isn’t an easy – and most probably is a bit of a toxic - situation to deal with.
Then you have the injuries to Lo Celso and Sessegnon.
Dier and Dele have underperformed for 1 ½ season now….rather than develop and turning into the key-players in their respective area. which expected from them. They were key players during Pochettino’s inital "success" years, so I can understand why he seem to be patient with both of them.
On top of that you have captain Lloris who’s been rather erratic over the last 2 seasons.

We lost to Colchester and dropped points to so many mediocre teams
Really has Poch overperformed or underperformed?

 

[Shadydan]

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We lost to Colchester and dropped points to so many mediocre teams
Really has Poch overperformed or underperformed?

This season or his entire tenure?

 

[Japhet]

He obviously has massive faith in his belief, and why not? It was working a charm for a while when his press and high fitness were king, but once everyone else cottoned on and realised getting players very fit was a good idea, we've been caught lacking elsewhere, and I truly believe he's ridden his luck with the golden era of players we've had.

You're right, I can't remember too many times when we've seen a tactical masterclass from him, or even obvious changes. Liverpool didn't need any hindsight after the game. We all knew we'd get overrun with that line up before the game, but why not Poch? I just don't get it.

Putting Fernando Llorente on Daly Blind v Ajax. About the only time he ever used Llorente with any type of plan though.

 

[Ronwol196061]

This season or his entire tenure?

Lets talk the last two seasons

Here is a disclaimer last season it could be argued that he overperformed.I would agree but only on the basis or results not quality of football

 

[bigpalacios]

I've watched some games again and looked at our squad.
Although the evident problems at the moment, I personally think, whether it is Mopo or the next manager, we have a very good young squad that simply needs a bit tweaking.
I've been very impressed by both Ndombele and Lo Celso.
We haven't seen Sess yet and I believe with the likes of foyth and winks we have a good crop of young players.
We definitely just need to get rid of those who don't want to be here.
This season players like Kane, Son, sissoko, and lamela have impressed...
Let's just wait if they can all gel and bring a string winning mentality.
They've had a week to train and focus and I'm for one hoping that this weekend we can win again.

I wouldn't say we have a young squad anymore, prob one of the oldest now and that's part of the problem.

 

[Shadydan]

Lets talk the last two seasons

Why that specific period?

 

[Ronwol196061]

Why that specific period?

Because that's a fair amount of time and could be considered still 'current'
I mean to assess something you need to take not too big or small a sample

 

[Shadydan]

Because that's a fair amount of time and could be considered still 'current'
I mean to assess something you need to take not too big or small a sample

Tenure Over achieved
Last season Over achieved
This season Under achieving

 

[Ronwol196061]

Tenure Over achieved
Last season Over achieved
This season Under achieving

I would agree based on results but I don't think results alone are the whole story (by far)
the quality of our footie was terrible last year,so many weak games even with good results
but I can understand people do go by results. Its all according what you are looking for.
Our football over the last two seasons didn't offer any confidence for me that we were capable enough despite the results