The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Get in There!/Oh Woe is Me Edition 28th August 2013

[arunspurs]

Munain has gone too cold in last season - lost his form miserably. According to him, the loss of form is due to his lack of fitness - feels he will be far better if he is 100%.

Personally I think it will be a mistake to go for him at the price mentioned here (22m euros).

The only 3 U21 forward players who are worthy enough to be in bracket of 22m euros are

i) Gerard Deufelou (loaned to Everton already)
ii) Jess Rodrguez
iii) Alvaro Moratta

Other U21 layers like Rodrigo is ok but is he 22m ?

ITK says Name withheld but not from RM
which to me means somehow the player is connected with RM (may be a ex-youth player or curent youth player) where they still have some stake.

To me its only between Moratta or Jess - whom Madrid have said tehy will not sell.

Then the ITK says
May I add only a serious possibility dependent upon both clubs but there is positive noises that we would be successful if pursued

Key is both clubs - which says to me one is such a deal depends on strikers on both clubs - RM is the only spanish club which has doubts over striker department.

So, my guess , if Benzema stays & if we pursure with a 22m bid we could land a prodigy.

To me thats between Jesse & Moratta.

 

[Barry Mead]

There was pages upon pages of discussion a couple of years back re how Spanish buy-out clauses mean sweet FA to a team like us buying from outside Spain.

Yep but that doesn't mean that most clubs will be happy to take the buy out or in the case of Vadillo given Betis's financial situation would be able to reject a significantly lower offer if they didn't have any better never mind the buy out itself
Most transfers of Spanish players happen nowhere near the buyout

 

[Barry Mead]

Munain has gone too cold in last season - lost his form miserably. According to him, the loss of form is due to his lack of fitness - feels he will be far better if he is 100%.

Personally I think it will be a mistake to go for him at the price mentioned here (22m euros).

The only 3 U21 forward players who are worthy enough to be in bracket of 22m euros are

i) Gerard Deufelou (loaned to Everton already)
ii) Jess Rodrguez
iii) Alvaro Moratta

Other U21 layers like Rodrigo is ok but is he 22m ?

ITK says Name withheld but not from RM
which to me means somehow the player is connected with RM (may be a ex-youth player or curent youth player) where they still have some stake.

To me its only between Moratta or Jess - whom Madrid have said tehy will not sell.

Then the ITK says
May I add only a serious possibility dependent upon both clubs but there is positive noises that we would be successful if pursued

Key is both clubs - which says to me one is such a deal depends on strikers on both clubs - RM is the only spanish club which has doubts over striker department.

So, my guess , if Benzema stays & if we pursure with a 22m bid we could land a prodigy.

To me thats between Jesse & Moratta.

But he said not RM so it can't be either

As for Muniain I think it's more to do with Bielsa and the fact that the team overall were so poor last season, I'd be over the moon if we could get him for 22 mill even if he isn't a strriker

 

[Ossie85]

Munain has gone too cold in last season - lost his form miserably. According to him, the loss of form is due to his lack of fitness - feels he will be far better if he is 100%.

Personally I think it will be a mistake to go for him at the price mentioned here (22m euros).

The only 3 U21 forward players who are worthy enough to be in bracket of 22m euros are

i) Gerard Deufelou (loaned to Everton already)
ii) Jess Rodrguez
iii) Alvaro Moratta

Other U21 layers like Rodrigo is ok but is he 22m ?

ITK says Name withheld but not from RM
which to me means somehow the player is connected with RM (may be a ex-youth player or curent youth player) where they still have some stake.

To me its only between Moratta or Jess - whom Madrid have said tehy will not sell.

Then the ITK says
May I add only a serious possibility dependent upon both clubs but there is positive noises that we would be successful if pursued

Key is both clubs - which says to me one is such a deal depends on strikers on both clubs - RM is the only spanish club which has doubts over striker department.

So, my guess , if Benzema stays & if we pursure with a 22m bid we could land a prodigy.

To me thats between Jesse & Moratta.

I thought the NOT FROM REAL MADRID part was pretty clear

 

[Curtis Peterson]

I'm quick to doubt this latest ITK, especially signing someone like Muniain, but if you told me that we'd sign Paulinho, Chadli, Soldado, Capoue, Lamela, Chiriches and possibly Eriksen at the beginning of the window, I'd fucking doubt that too haha. Levy and Baldini have been amazing this summer and I'm happy with what they've accomplished already, but it looks like we could have a crazy next couple of days.

 

[arunspurs]

But he said not RM so it can't be either

As for Muniain I think it's more to do with Bielsa and the fact that the team overall were so poor last season, I'd be over the moon if we could get him for 22 mill even if he isn't a strriker

I read

Name withheld but not from RM
as

Name is being withheld from outside world but RM knows about the player & are aware of the interest.
I could be wrong though....

 

[AUSpur]

I thought the NOT FROM REAL MADRID part was pretty clear

Unless it means the PLAYER'S NAME is witheld, but not WITHELD from RM.

 

[arunspurs]

I thought the NOT FROM REAL MADRID part was pretty clear

If its is not from RM or any ex-RM players, I really cannot see such a 22m player.
I cannot see how Munain is 22m value given he has such a poor season, regardless of whatever may be the reasons for it.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Name withheld but not from RM = Said player is not from RM.

I'm convinced it's Rodrigo, actually. The more I think about it. We've been linked in the past, too.

 

[spurs9]

Munain has gone too cold in last season - lost his form miserably. According to him, the loss of form is due to his lack of fitness - feels he will be far better if he is 100%.

Personally I think it will be a mistake to go for him at the price mentioned here (22m euros).

The only 3 U21 forward players who are worthy enough to be in bracket of 22m euros are

i) Gerard Deufelou (loaned to Everton already)
ii) Jess Rodrguez
iii) Alvaro Moratta

Other U21 layers like Rodrigo is ok but is he 22m ?

ITK says Name withheld but not from RM
which to me means somehow the player is connected with RM (may be a ex-youth player or curent youth player) where they still have some stake.

To me its only between Moratta or Jess - whom Madrid have said tehy will not sell.

Then the ITK says
May I add only a serious possibility dependent upon both clubs but there is positive noises that we would be successful if pursued

Key is both clubs - which says to me one is such a deal depends on strikers on both clubs - RM is the only spanish club which has doubts over striker department.

So, my guess , if Benzema stays & if we pursure with a 22m bid we could land a prodigy.

To me thats between Jesse & Moratta.

Jese & Moratta are both RM players, not just connected with but registered to/owned by, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion?

Why, in your opinion, is Moratta worth 22m euros but Rodrigo isn't?

 

[arunspurs]

Jese & Moratta are both RM players, not just connected with but registered to/owned by, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion?

Why, in your opinion, is Moratta worth 22m euros but Rodrigo isn't?

because I ve seen Rodrigo play yet... I thought Moratta looked really good in few U21 games I ve seen and also in some senior appearances..

 

[whitelanefever]

But he said not RM so it can't be either

As for Muniain I think it's more to do with Bielsa and the fact that the team overall were so poor last season, I'd be over the moon if we could get him for 22 mill even if he isn't a strriker

Me too Bielsa fucked him up playing him injured, he's class pure n simple, although he did start out as a striker I doubt it's him the Itk is about..
My guess just to throw a name other than that's been mentioned is jEAN Marie Dongou Barcelona

 

[spurs9]

because I ve seen Rodrigo play yet... I thought Moratta looked really good in few U21 games I ve seen and also in some senior appearances..

Rodrigo has the most goals ever for the Spain U21's 15 in 16 games.

Personally, I would be happy with either but think Rodrigo would be more versatile being more technical, ab better dribbler and faster player but Moratta could probably lead the line better.

 

[spurs9]

Unless it means the PLAYER'S NAME is witheld, but not WITHELD from RM.

Doesn't make sense to me. The name is being withheld but has not been witheld from Real Madrid? Why would the name be witheld from everyone except RM? If it was a RM player, surely they wouldn't be mentioned at all if the name was being witheld, otherwise its obvious (at best narrowed to 2 players).

 

[voxy28]

Well, we'd be looking at someone 'big' who is no longer guaranteed the game time he might like and would be willing to pop over to WHL for World Cup year in order to get the required playing time. Probably a striker or playmaking silky skilled horn provoking midfield maestro.

If base on this, then it should be Kaka... but I am not sure if he is better than Willian to be honest.

 

[hoodlum]

Munain has gone too cold in last season - lost his form miserably. According to him, the loss of form is due to his lack of fitness - feels he will be far better if he is 100%.

Personally I think it will be a mistake to go for him at the price mentioned here (22m euros).

The only 3 U21 forward players who are worthy enough to be in bracket of 22m euros are

i) Gerard Deufelou (loaned to Everton already)
ii) Jess Rodrguez
iii) Alvaro Moratta

Other U21 layers like Rodrigo is ok but is he 22m ?

ITK says Name withheld but not from RM
which to me means somehow the player is connected with RM (may be a ex-youth player or curent youth player) where they still have some stake.

To me its only between Moratta or Jess - whom Madrid have said tehy will not sell.

Then the ITK says
May I add only a serious possibility dependent upon both clubs but there is positive noises that we would be successful if pursued

Key is both clubs - which says to me one is such a deal depends on strikers on both clubs - RM is the only spanish club which has doubts over striker department.

So, my guess , if Benzema stays & if we pursure with a 22m bid we could land a prodigy.

To me thats between Jesse & Moratta.

I read the bolded part as what you said, but also dependent on what happens with Adebayor

 

[AUSpur]

Doesn't make sense to me. The name is being withheld but has not been witheld from Real Madrid? Why would the name be witheld from everyone except RM? If it was a RM player, surely they wouldn't be mentioned at all if the name was being witheld, otherwise its obvious (at best narrowed to 2 players).

Not saying I think that's what it means, just clarifying what the other poster was saying.

 

[hoodlum]

Doesn't make sense to me. The name is being withheld but has not been witheld from Real Madrid? Why would the name be witheld from everyone except RM? If it was a RM player, surely they wouldn't be mentioned at all if the name was being witheld, otherwise its obvious (at best narrowed to 2 players).

I think he means he's not putting the players name in his itk post

 

[spurs9]

I think he means he's not putting the players name in his itk post

I think he means he's not putting the players name in his itk post, but the player in question is not from Real Madrid.

 

[Ionman34]

I find the negative comments about Vlad's partner in very poor taste.

Firstly, how many of you are married to babes (or even have a girlfriend at all)?
Secondly, what gives you the right to comment on anyone else's choice of partner?

And thirdly ...... just fuck off.

I'm married to a Babe.

I haven't commented on Vlad's missus.

Can we still be friends?