The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - POST MORTEM EDITION

[thinktank]

Is that Newspeak for clueless opinionated horseshit by a dick who can't even spell Aguero?

The Numberwang theory behind 'Levy signings' doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny, or KS1-level sums, even. Take a look at the class of Class of 2008, for example: nice £15m-or-thereaboutsish profit on Modric, and we may have broken even on dos Santos, or even made a modest profit, but Levy's had to write off £500k on Gunter, £7.5m on Woody, £5m on the Jock Thumb Impersonator, £2m (or the very thick end thereof) on Gilberto, something-or-other on Sanchez, £6m on the Rubbish Russky, and £3m on Corluka. That's a £10m-or-thereabouts hit, and we still have Bentley, Gomes and Bostock to offload. Gee, thanks, Damo and Juande!

Mind, it's been only marginally better since. We've had to write off £11.5m on Wilson, Bassong and Chimbo, partially offset by an approximate £7m profit on Crouchinho, Niko and Keano. I think it's safe to say that we're not going to get anything back on Scotty, nor on Defoe, since AVB became a paid-up member of the JDFC.

Oh, and then there's the minor point that in 2008-09 we were paying out £62.5m in wages, 10th-ranked in the EPL. In 2010-11 that had jumped to £91.1m, 6th-ranked. Anyone care to bet that we aren't shelling out £100m+ now?

Still, Levy's lining his pockets at the expense of the club. Some dorkbrain on VitalFootball says so, it must be true.

The article, essentially, is an attack on Levy's philosophy, which, barring the the occasional deviation, is fairly rigid and set though often cloaked and muddled by stunts like moutinho.

You honestly think he was going to buy moutinho after bringing in Dembele for 15mill?

 

[SpurSince57]

The article, essentially, is an attack on Levy's philosophy, which, barring the the occasional deviation, is fairly rigid and set though often cloaked and muddled by stunts like moutinho.

You honestly think he was going to buy moutinho after bringing in Dembele for 15mill?

The 'article', essentially, is a steaming pile of turd.

Of course we were prepared to buy Moutinho.

 

[thinktank]

Thanks for the random insult there, not really called for.

Seeing how I used to be a professional journalist I would just like to point out that just because something is an 'article' it doesn't have to be 'opinion'. Some articles are simply factual accounts of events which have taken place. This, was not. It was simply opinion.

There is a difference.

Was 'sposed to be a friendly insult, but loses translation over the wires

 

[Bobbins]

Was 'sposed to be a friendly insult, but loses translation over the wires

Fair play mate, have realised I didn't even notice the massively obvious

 

[thinktank]

The 'article', essentially, is a steaming pile of turd.

Of course we were prepared to buy Moutinho.

You know, there is a smiley for that now, you could have saved yourself a lot of finger action and saved it up for later

Preparation. Ah. Yes.

 

[thinktank]

Fair play mate, have realised I didn't even notice the massively obvious

Thought a wink would do but I should have stuck my tongue out Voila!

 

[SpurSince57]

You can thank DL for Damo and Juande.

Yes, I can, and if you'd been on SC five years ago you'd have been entertained by my full uncensored views on the topic.

That doesn't obviate the easily demonstrable fact that the Levy-buys-to-sell-at-a-profit theory is total bullshit.

 

[tgd15]

The article, essentially, is an attack on Levy's philosophy, which, barring the the occasional deviation, is fairly rigid and set though often cloaked and muddled by stunts like moutinho.

You honestly think he was going to buy moutinho after bringing in Dembele for 15mill?

Excuse me for saying so, but considering how hard you're defending this "article," I get the impression you wrote it, lol.

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for implying so. But as far as journalistic standards, it really is a poorly written article. Not to mention it doesn't cite any sources. It's all hearsay and jumping to conclusions. Nothing started in the "article" can be proven. It's more opinion than fact, and considering you originally labeled "succinct" it probably explains why so many are giving you shit about it. I'll tell you what turned me off reading it, all that circumstantial evidence the article tried to veil as fact.

it really should be labeled as the writer's opinion, but even that's a stretch, again, considering it affirms most of what is written within as fact.

I don't mean to be trolling, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, and not a reflection on anybody else's.

 

[gibbospurs]

have we signed a striker yet?

 

[thinktank]

Spoiler

Erm, no. It was completely to the point; honed in on the key mechanisms - which I agree with - that drive Levy's transfer behaviour and summed things up very well without drolling on. Did well to stick it on one page, I'd have gone on for a while....

 

[eddiev14]

For what it's worth (very little, no doubt!), here is my round up of the transfer window.

First and foremost, thank you to all the ITKs for passing on the information. Without you guys, the window would be bloody boring. I don't really understand those who knock the ITKs, they pass on the info in good faith and some of you clearly have good sources within the club. JJ deserves a special mention though - always a gent and clearly his source is very good.

JJ, I salute you sir! I would love to know what really went on on deadline day, but I respect that you need to hold certain things back to protect your ability to continue posting here.

Thank you also to Rob, A&C and all the mods. You guys are brilliant and make this site the best Spurs site on the web! Loved all the efforts to ban Twitter and stop people going off topic - always kept me amused!

On to the signings...

Lloris, Verthongen, Adebayor & Dembele were great buys. All players that, I think, would have got in our team last season (and in Ade's case, did!).

Sigurdsson is a good replacement in the squad to a player like Kranjcar, so it was a good deal if he doesn't play every week.

Dempsey seemed like a back-up/panic option to me. Like when we signed Danny Murphy, he's a good player but possibly not a good signing - time will tell. He's certainly not better than Van der Vaart.

In my opinion though, we ultimately failed to make the two deals that (Verthongen & Adebayor aside) were absolutely essential to make the TEAM stronger than 11/12.

A young, talented number nine to challenge Ade and a top class midfielder to replace Modric.

Missing out on Moutinho and failing to conclude the Damiao saga is a really worrying prospect. The first three games have shown us what we are like without both of these options in the squad, and it concerns me.

I will give AVB the time he needs, but will Levy? If the results don't start happening it could be a repeat of 2008.

I just pray that AVB can use his undoubtedly talented squad to plug the holes left from yet another transfer window of doing well, but not quite well enough.

That may sound harsh but it is the reality. AVB, over to you. Time to show us what you're made of.

 

[thinktank]

Excuse me for saying so, but considering how hard you're defending this "article," I get the impression you wrote it, lol.

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for implying so. But as far as journalistic standards, it really is a poorly written article. Not to mention it doesn't cite any sources. It's all hearsay and jumping to conclusions. Nothing started in the "article" can be proven. It's more opinion than fact, and considering you originally labeled "succinct" it probably explains why so many are giving you shit about it. I'll tell you what turned me off reading it, all that circumstantial evidence the article tried to veil as fact.

it really should be labeled as the writer's opinion, but even that's a stretch, again, considering it affirms most of what is written within as fact.

I don't mean to be trolling, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, and not a reflection on anybody else's.

I didn't point to the artistry of the piece, it's the sentiment. It's an opinion; I agree. Opinion + message boards = post/comment.

Look tg...whatever your name/letters are....ah, no, I can't be arsed.

Anyway, your excused.

 

[SpurSince57]

Awww, Colonel Clueless disliked my post. Ain't that a shame? Boofuckinghoo. Then, Colonel Clueless seems to have a problem with facts, and evidently can't do sums. I suspect Colonel Clueless struggles to zip his fly without taking off his trousers first.

 

[Paolo10]

Yes, I can, and if you'd been on SC five years ago you'd have been entertained by my full uncensored views on the topic.

That doesn't obviate the easily demonstrable fact that the Levy-buys-to-sell-at-a-profit theory is total bullshit.

I was. I can also remember what we've gambled on players and what we've sold them for. Bullshit eh? Nothing in the sell-to-buy at all?

Yeah. Ok. NO.

 

[SpurSince57]

Erm, no. It was completely to the point; honed in on the key mechanisms - which I agree with - that drive Levy's transfer behaviour and summed things up very well without drolling on. Did well to stick it on one page, I'd have gone on for a while....

And ignored the rather salient fact that profits from player trading are, well, non-existent. Could you explain what these 'key mechanisms' are? It would be really informative if you could hone in on them without drolling on.

 

[SpurSince57]

I was. I can also remember what we've gambled on players and what we've sold them for. Bullshit eh? Nothing in the sell-to-buy at all?

Yeah. Ok. NO.

Why don't you try doing some sums?

 

[thinktank]

And ignored the rather salient fact that profits from player trading are, well, non-existent. Could you explain what these 'key mechanisms' are? It would be really informative if you could hone in on them without drolling on.

You stalking me?

 

[Gedson100]

Here's my round up of the transfer window:

It's over, move on, get over it.

But seriously! How are we ever gonna compete with the Zenits and Anzhis of the footballing world?

MY TAKE ON THE MOUTINHO DEAL AND HOW HULK FITS IN
Porto must have been in close contact with Zenit throughout our attempts to buy Moutinho, knowing there was a big bid coming or on the table. Probably said to Zenit 'we'll only sell one of them' then leaked or got us to leak the 'agreed fee' on Moutinho at lunchtime, sent his agent to come around and eat sandwiches at the Lodge and waited.

Zenit panic thinking they'll miss out on their man, who they can clearly afford and intend to buy and started serious negotiation.

My money is on their bid coming in about 9pm Friday evening.

Porto jerk us around by asking for a higher fee cos of '3rd party rights'. Fucking Zahavi is sat in the room to ensure that not too much gets agreed and is probably advising Porto on the Hulk deal. JJ said at lunchtime on the 31st 'someone is on their way!! Mr Joao Moutinho' We know that's good info. He's not gonna intentionally hang himself out to dry. Is Moutinho 'on his 'way?' No he isn't! He's on a flight with his Porto teammates! Moutinho NEVER EVEN GETS SENT TO LONDON, but sure, we're negotiating and Zenit aren't necessarily gonna know that means the deal isn't gonna happen.

3 days later, Hulk goes through?

JJ alluded to the fact that it was 'stuff you wouldnt believe'.
POTL said: 'Player wages stopped us getting it over the line' ie. Zahavi conveniently moves the goalposts and sufficiently stalled.

I'm afraid we've been done up like kippers. Be thankful we had time to organise Dempsey amongst all this shit and mourn not the loss of Moutinho, he was never coming. And stop blaming Levy. It's not his fault! He might think he's a big fish but i'm afraid he was in with the crocodiles on this one.

Anyone wondering how Zahavi could fit in, his wiki is gold: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pini_Zahavi

Remember Hulk is double transfer fee, double agency fee, double everything that Moutinho might have been.
££££$$$$ etc
NOT ITK JUST A THEORY

 

[mill]

Awww, Colonel Clueless disliked my post. Ain't that a shame? Boofuckinghoo. Then, Colonel Clueless seems to have a problem with facts, and evidently can't do sums. I suspect Colonel Clueless struggles to zip his fly without taking off his trousers first.

For someone that acts all high and mighty you're rather like a spiteful child

 

[Mikegold]

Just in case people were holding out on Moutinho for Jan, according to Akqa and (apparently, although I couldn't see where) JJ have said we have no chance, Hulk to Zenit but also other reasons apparently.