The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - POST MORTEM EDITION

[Hoopspur]

Most people seem to consider Dembele an appropriate replacement.

We shouldn't have just been trying to find replacements. No doubt he is an excellent addition to the squad, but we shouldn't be only trying to leave squad as strong as before, we should have been looking to actually improve the quality. And it's doubtful we have done that.

 

[SteveH]

We shouldn't have just been trying to find replacements. No doubt he is an excellent addition to the squad, but we shouldn't be only trying to leave squad as strong as before, we should have been looking to actually improve the quality. And it's doubtful we have done that.

Who is better than Luka who we could afford?

 

[mill]

Who is better than Luka who we could afford?

I think he meant the squad not just one player and I wholeheartly agree

 

[Col_M]

This post mortem is turning into a conspiracy theory akin to JFK and 9/11

 

[Franchise60]

Well we have to find some other reasons besides Levy for our failures because he is clearly infallible in the eyes of many.

 

[SteveH]

I think he meant the squad not just one player and I wholeheartly agree

Yes I know - but we need to replace 'a player' to start to increase the overall quality - in this case Luka. I repeat Who is better than Luka who we could afford?

 

[brendanb50]

Hmm, I'm still pretty much pro Levy, but his inability to bring in a new striker has lost him a lot of kudos in my eyes. I don't buy all the Machiavellian conspiracy theories about the Moutinho deal etc., but I am pissed off with him for not having got some kind of striker deal sorted out. 3 seasons without a decent new striker is ridiculous. Having seen de Jong and Rondon go for the kind of money that wouldn't have necessitated Levy structuring the deal into the next century, I'm unimpressed that he didn't take a chance on one of them or a similar striker of that ilk. I still think he's the best man to do the job, but he needs to sort this out. That said, he's had a very rough time of it over the last fews months (personal life) but has still managed to do a very good job with all the other signings, so I forgive him. For his own sake, I hope he resolves the problem in January.

Bit pissed off today because of the rumours circulating about Leandro and Manure. Hope it's BS.

Good post.

As SS57 replied to your post as well - AVB seems to consider the options to be OK. However it's clear Defoe is not a starter in the kind of line up we've been playing for some time IMO.

As an impact player - Defoe can do a job, i actually like him more than most and think his work rate is decent too. However i don't think we're set up to play to his strengths thesedays.

As you say, we seem to have overlooked some young talent on this front, however i'll keep the faith for the time being, with the managerial change we've had; Pure speculation on my part but i'm guessing AVB wanted to have a look at what he had and perhaps by the time we planned to shop around, the right options were not available at the right price. Damiao being the case and point here - For the record i think the ongoing situation with LD and Inter has become a bit farcical to say the least.

As a result, we've sweetened JD's deal for the time being to keep him cheery and keep his price up but i can't see how/where he fits into the long term plans now.

 

[SteveH]

Well we have to find some other reasons besides Levy for our failures because he is clearly infallible in the eyes of many.

That's bloody childish - the main reason for "our failures" are, we cannot pay top dollar for these very top flight players. They are the domain of the super rich clubs not Tottenham.

The big problem is the footbal egos of some at Spurs, who cannot cope with this.

So they play the blame game. At least Levy gives it a go. There are some empty seats at Villa believe.

 

[ShayLaB]

That's bloody childish - the main reason for "our failures" are, we cannot pay top dollar for these very top flight players. They are the domain of the super rich clubs not Tottenham.

The big problem is the footbal egos of some at Spurs, who cannot cope with this.

So they play the blame game. At least Levy gives it a go. There are some empty seats at Villa believe.

Exactly...in a world where a Russian team are spending 64 million pounds in an afternoon we are trying to bring in top tier talent when there are clearly better placed, better paying clubs. You would honestly think that DL was running the club into the ground the way some of the posters get on. We are a club near the top end of things but there are many above us and some are light years in front.

 

[Franchise60]

That's bloody childish - the main reason for "our failures" are, we cannot pay top dollar for these very top flight players. They are the domain of the super rich clubs not Tottenham.

The big problem is the footbal egos of some at Spurs, who cannot cope with this.

So they play the blame game. At least Levy gives it a go. There are some empty seats at Villa believe.

It's not childish at all. You already have a thread up questioning AVB and his success at Porto. Already have the knives at ready to blame anyone but Levy if we struggle? Maybe Harry only wanted old overpaid players this window? Does that one still work?

I don't have a problem not being able to pay for very top flight players. I have a problem with failing to sign them every window up until the end instead of filling out our squad with players we can buy. I have a problem with selling VDV because we are getting Moutinho and then failing to buy Moutinho.

It's amazing people can see JJ's tweets and not realize this was a big fuck up and it comes from the top.

 

[Krafty]

So basically no one knows, and if they did know and told us in plain English exactly what had happened, we would all either not believe it or read between the lines and find some agenda that was actually the real truth?

Cool.

 

[Franchise60]

It was a conspiracy.

 

[Indisguise]

I don't believe it was Levy behind "the grassy knoll".

 

[SteveH]

It's not childish at all. You already have a thread up questioning AVB and his success at Porto. Already have the knives at ready to blame anyone but Levy if we struggle?

I don't have a problem not being able to pay for very top flight players. I have a problem with failing to sign them every window up until the end instead of filling out our squad with players we can buy. I have a problem with selling VDV because we are getting Moutinho and then failing to buy Moutinho.

It's amazing people can see JJ's tweets and not realize this was a big fuck up and it comes from the top.

Yes I question AVB after watching that first half on Saturday, who did not?. But that's me watching it with my own eyes. Not somebody who is "ITK" or whatever telling me about it. But I dont "blame" AVB. I have concerns with AVB as a Spurs fan who also backs him a 110%, as I do with Levy. Until I have 'proof' not tittle tattle, to the contrary.

 

[SteveH]

I don't believe it was Levy behind "the grassy knoll".

You would not have seen him anyway! Too short

 

[Supersi32]

Most people seem to consider Dembele an appropriate replacement.

Maybe some do, I don`t see Dembele as a direct replacement for Modric at all, I think Dembele will be very good for us but he is not in the Modric mould at all. We don`t have a midfielder who knits play together. Many think Joe Allen is overated, and I would agree he is not as good as Modric but he is of similar ilk in style.

 

[Franchise60]

Yes I question AVB after watching that first half on Saturday, who did not?. But that's me watching it with my own eyes. Not somebody who is "ITK" or whatever telling me about it. But I dont "blame" AVB. I have concerns with AVB as Spurs fan who also backs him a 110%, as I do with Levy. Until I have 'proof' not tittle tattle, to the contrary.

Could you not see the incomplete team we had on Saturday either with your own eyes? The manager isn't the common denominator with this issue,

You don't need ITK to tell you anything. We did the same thing we do in every window, we sold maybe our two best players and we failed to get in the players we wanted at the end. You'll answer with "we don't know who to blame" which is a cop out since it is clear who is running the show and the buck stops with Levy.

AVB doesn't get 3 full games before he is questioned, but we can NEVER question Levy after years of the same problems. Idol worship.

 

[Greenspur]

Could you not see the incomplete team we had on Saturday either with your own eyes? The manager isn't the common denominator with this issue,

You don't need ITK to tell you anything. We did the same thing we do in every window, we sold maybe our two best players and we failed to get in the players we wanted at the end. You'll answer with "we don't know who to blame" which is a cop out since it is clear who is running the show and the buck stops with Levy.

Aaaarrggh. Idolatry. Hellfire and damnation!
AVB doesn't get 3 full games before he is questioned, but we can NEVER question Levy after years of the same problems. Idol worship.

 

[Paolo10]

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/20...players-daniel-levy?cat=football&type=article

The Tottenham manager, Harry Redknapp, insists the club will end up going backwards if they sell their top players and Levy agrees.

The Spurs chairman wrote in his end‑of‑season address to supporters: "Our squad has top players at all levels and we shall continue to seek stability and to retain key players this summer and beyond. We are a club that is focusing on growth and moving forward."...

..."Once again we have seen football played at home and away which has shown our brand and style of play around the world and led our competitors to describe us as the most entertaining team in the Premier League."




Hmmmmmmmn....

 

[SpurSince57]

It's not childish at all. You already have a thread up questioning AVB and his success at Porto. Already have the knives at ready to blame anyone but Levy if we struggle? Maybe Harry only wanted old overpaid players this window? Does that one still work?

I don't have a problem not being able to pay for very top flight players. I have a problem with failing to sign them every window up until the end instead of filling out our squad with players we can buy. I have a problem with selling VDV because we are getting Moutinho and then failing to buy Moutinho.

It's amazing people can see JJ's tweets and not realize this was a big fuck up and it comes from the top.

And who would these 'players we can buy' be? Seven years ago we were able to beef up the squad with cheapos, freebies and Bosmans (and Jenas, of course). We can't do that now. Pienaar, Charlie and Niko would probably have been nailed-on starters in Jol's side, and dos Santos and Bassong regular squad players. Upgrading isn't easy any more.

Moutinho wasn't supposed to replace VdV; he was supposed to replace Modric. My suspicion is that Rafa just didn't fit into AVB's plans and was therefore sold off as surplus to requirements.

I'd like to know why AVB had to talk to his chum Moutinho about personal terms at 10 o'clock on Friday night, that's for sure.