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[mill]

So we're still chasing the signings we needed in the summer despite signing sissoko and Njie mk2

Edit: not knocking nkoudou but as he never plays all seems a bit familiar

 

[onthetwo]

So we're still chasing the signings we needed in the summer despite signing sissoko and Njie mk2

Shhhh...youre ruining all the fun.

 

[Cravenspurs]

ali z on jan window: Passing on what I know, Poch would like 2 player sin creative player and fast player both to bring goals and allow for more roation, problem is salaries are real issue when bringing in players better than we have. He thinks Kane, Alli, Son and Dier all need some rest as have been overplayed in last 18 months but does not think he can as we don't have enough players of quality to bring in. Nothing expected but they are trying am told unlikely unless it's a Bruma style signing ( lot of competition) ...Poch concerned about burnout/fatigue impacting heavily if we do not get a few additions to freshen things up.

Play GKN - pace+creative. why did we buy him if we're not even going to give him a shot??? Stupid. Play the fucking guy!

So we're still chasing the signings we needed in the summer despite signing sissoko and Njie mk2

This news is good and bad.

Good because Poch and team realize they need more depth.

Bad because we are going to be adding depth, not starting 11 quality. That is actually very bad in my book as we do need a bit more depth, but what we really need is class that can come in a knock out a couple in our Starting 11. For me Wanyama, HMS, Dele and others are not full on worthy of a full time starting spot.

And now to Bruma. I said this earlier in this thread, but if that is our target then we are seriously going to be scratching our heads again. He is not Mane. He is Gervihnco from Arsenal past. He is fast with a rough skill set....NJie anyone? Seriously scouts, what are you fucking watching? Denis Suarez >>>>> Bruma. All these technical AMs >>>>> then goddamn straight line pace.

 

[lol]

every season its the same shit. we identify the perfect player, play hard ball, try to drive the deal down, waste bunch of time, perfect player gets swooped, we say we couldnt afford the wages just to blow 20 - 30m on 2nd choices or multiple 15m deals on average players and hope they turn out well. Its not like these multiple players dont take wages. in the end, 2 years later, realise they arent good enough, sell them, wasted wages, wasted agent fees, wasted sign on fees, wasted transfer fee and most importantly wasted time and opportunity.

instead of spending money on secondary choices or multiple average ones, just pay the fuck up. all that wasted money and we could have gotten a legit player already.

 

[yiddopaul]

every season its the same shit. we identify the perfect player, play hard ball, try to drive the deal down, waste bunch of time, perfect player gets swooped, we say we couldnt afford the wages just to blow 20 - 30m on 2nd choices or multiple 15m deals on average players and hope they turn out well. Its not like these multiple players dont take wages. in the end, 2 years later, realise they arent good enough, sell them, wasted wages, wasted agent fees, wasted sign on fees, wasted transfer fee and most importantly wasted time and opportunity.

instead of spending money on secondary choices or multiple average ones, just pay the fuck up. all that wasted money and we could have gotten a legit player already.

To get the quality we need, to be better than we have, will cost big wages. The fee is not the problem. The wages is as it could affect the whole squad. I like what we're doing and how we're doing it. I do not believe we should just throw money at someone just because he fits. It's a risk, and a risk that we cannot afford right now. Maybe one day soon, when the stadium's built etc we can offer better. I love the way we're run.
Look at City, look at their wage bill! They are not far ahead of us, at all. Big salaries and big wages does not make you successful.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Play GKN - pace+creative. why did we buy him if we're not even going to give him a shot??? Stupid. Play the fucking guy!

According to Poch, GKN's confidence needs to be built up. He basically said that he is not ready.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

According to Poch, GKN's confidence needs to be built up. He basically said that he is not ready.

I trust Poch on this. GKN has less than one decent season in the inferior French league. He's going to need time adapting, and that process has already started but will take time. Poch is evidently a very direct, honest operator and it's completely likely he's told GKN it'll be a while before he's ready; I think this approach takes the pressure of off the player providing he works hard in training.

 

[rossdapep]

I think we need to be thinking about bringing in players that will play to Janssen's strength as well as Kane's. We need someone who allows Janssen to solely focus on operating in the penalty box, someone who can get the ball into him quicker and spot his runs.

 

[Tucker]

Maybe this is why we haven't seen us pressing so much of late. Poch is seeing our players aren't coping, and so we just aren't doing it.

So who are we actually going to get in that's going to slot in? I can't see anyone coming in personally.

 

[SpursDave88]

Of the three players mentioned, Son isn't starting at the moment, We can start Sissoko instead of Alli and Lamela also still has to come back. Whilst Dier can't get in ahead of Wanyama and won't start ahead of Toby when fit. Really our problem is N'Koudou and Janssen are nowhere near good enough so we need better for those squad places.

 

[SpursDave88]

I think we need to be thinking about bringing in players that will play to Janssen's strength as well as Kane's. We need someone who allows Janssen to solely focus on operating in the penalty box, someone who can get the ball into him quicker and spot his runs.

Or we could just sign a better centre forward...either or. Not sure why would be focussing on signing a top class player to make up for the extremely limited ability of the pony centre forward we signed.

 

[yankspurs]

Play GKN - pace+creative. why did we buy him if we're not even going to give him a shot??? Stupid. Play the fucking guy!

Judging by the occurances of the last few years, Poch has zero clue what he wants. He sells Lennon and Townsend then brings in N'Jie, who he doesnt give an opportunity to. Then he fucks him off and brings in N'Koudou who likely will be fucked off in the summer since he wont get an opportunity either.

 

[Cravenspurs]

To get the quality we need, to be better than we have, will cost big wages. The fee is not the problem. The wages is as it could affect the whole squad. I like what we're doing and how we're doing it. I do not believe we should just throw money at someone just because he fits. It's a risk, and a risk that we cannot afford right now. Maybe one day soon, when the stadium's built etc we can offer better. I love the way we're run.
Look at City, look at their wage bill! They are not far ahead of us, at all. Big salaries and big wages does not make you successful.

Totally agree that money doesn't win you titles, but it does give you a better hit rate.

Man City have hit on their attacking threats for the most part. Defensively they must employ a bloke from the same school of thought as our attacking scouts. They have missed on their CBs ever since Kompany.

Wages is def where the separation exists between clubs, but that is not what I question. I question our wants when it comes to looking at the market. Cause for me we have made questionable move after questionable move since the VDV signing. After that it was all downhill for the most part. Don't get me wrong we have found some great people. Toby, Jan, Hugo, Lamela, Eriksen, Vorm to name a few to fill holes and depth, but we have really thrown shit at the wall and hope it sticks.

But it can also be said that the unknown nature of the transfer window is something every team has to deal with.

This coming weekend we get to see Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg and Sofiane Boufal, two players that were far up my list ahead of the likes of Wanyama and Sissoko. I don't know what they cost but I know it was less than we spent and is far less in wages. They aren't world class, but they are depth I think we needed more than what we got.

Edit:

We also get to see Jordan Clasie who we were rumored with for years. I haven't seen him play much since his move but seems he is ahead of Romelou (sp). I liked the way he moved the ball and was a strong presence. Anyone seen much of him at SH?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I trust Poch on this. GKN has less than one decent season in the inferior French league. He's going to need time adapting, and that process has already started but will take time. Poch is evidently a very direct, honest operator and it's completely likely he's told GKN it'll be a while before he's ready; I think this approach takes the pressure of off the player providing he works hard in training.

Yes, but that does mean that I am not pissed off over our our transfer business. We've made life very hard for ourselves yet again.

 

[rossdapep]

Or we could just sign a better centre forward...either or. Not sure why would be focussing on signing a top class player to make up for the extremely limited ability of the pony centre forward we signed.

I'd rather give him a bit more of a chance to be honest. At least try to play to his strengths before completely writing him off. He's looked decent for the Netherlands whenever I've seen him, which tells me it's probably more to do with the system.

 

[SpursDave88]

Totally agree that money doesn't win you titles, but it does give you a better hit rate.

Man City have hit on their attacking threats for the most part. Defensively they must employ a bloke from the same school of thought as our attacking scouts. They have missed on their CBs ever since Kompany.

Wages is def where the separation exists between clubs, but that is not what I question. I question our wants when it comes to looking at the market. Cause for me we have made questionable move after questionable move since the VDV signing. After that it was all downhill for the most part. Don't get me wrong we have found some great people. Toby, Jan, Hugo, Lamela, Eriksen, Vorm to name a few to fill holes and depth, but we have really thrown shit at the wall and hope it sticks.

But it can also be said that the unknown nature of the transfer window is something every team has to deal with.

This coming weekend we get to see Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg and Sofiane Boufal, two players that were far up my list ahead of the likes of Wanyama and Sissoko. I don't know what they cost but I know it was less than we spent and is far less in wages. They aren't world class, but they are depth I think we needed more than what we got.

I am good friends with a Southampton fan who thinks Boufal has been poor so far. Their main threat and someone I have always rated is Redmond... Surprised we didn't go for him rather than N'Koudou to be honest.

 

[scat1620]

According to Poch, GKN's confidence needs to be built up. He basically said that he is not ready.

I'm sure if Pochettino said that about GKN then he has a plan for building that confidence up, but from my know-nothing layman's perspective I struggle to see how GKN is going to become any more confident by not even featuring as a subsitute in 90% of our games. Hoping that GKN isn't going to go down as another N'Jie/Fazio/Stambouli 'why-the-fuck-did-we-sign-them-given-that-Poch-would-sooner-wear-a-Brazil-shirt-in-public-than-play-them?' signing, but early days it's not looking too promising so far.

 

[Lilbaz]

every season its the same shit. we identify the perfect player, play hard ball, try to drive the deal down, waste bunch of time, perfect player gets swooped, we say we couldnt afford the wages just to blow 20 - 30m on 2nd choices or multiple 15m deals on average players and hope they turn out well. Its not like these multiple players dont take wages. in the end, 2 years later, realise they arent good enough, sell them, wasted wages, wasted agent fees, wasted sign on fees, wasted transfer fee and most importantly wasted time and opportunity.

instead of spending money on secondary choices or multiple average ones, just pay the fuck up. all that wasted money and we could have gotten a legit player already.

Pay up, how much have liverpool and utd paid up over the last few years? There is no guarantee in football.

 

[DIEHARD]

Judging by the 'itk' if it is true then it strikes me that Poch doesn't rate GKN and Janssen... In which case why get them.

I don't think we will get anyone in January... It just really isn't the time to buy real quality

 

[WiganSpur]

Janssen and Nkoudou have age on their side, don't think we should write them off just yet.

If we do bring a winger in then we might want to think about sending GKN out on loan for the rest of the season imo.