The beginning of the end...

[Wadec]

The same poch did. The difference is he signed players already a bit better level and improve them while ours are from the bargain bins. This summer was better. Do you think that if poch has the same TWs like this one in all season he wouldn't have done better.
Check the transfer market and you will find that pep has spent double or bit more in less than half time than poch. Thats the difference.

Dont disagree that Pep has spent much more and it is a huge help. I do think there is more to it than that though. Feel Pep coaches his team and sets them up from a tactical viewpoint much better than Poch.

Truth be told we would never know how each would have done in the others position. My biggest worry is the way we set up and play has got worse over time.

Ad you say, this was a good window so we should reap the rewards this season and in future seasons to come.

 

[Coco-1101]

Dont disagree that Pep has spent much more and it is a huge help. I do think there is more to it than that though. Feel Pep coaches his team and sets them up from a tactical viewpoint much better than Poch.

Truth be told we would never know how each would have done in the others position. My biggest worry is the way we set up and play has got worse over time.

Ad you say, this was a good window so we should reap the rewards this season and in future seasons to come.

How did pep team played in first season? And klopp's liverpool did best in the league when they finished 4th. Then they splash the cash and improved last year. Its amazing people compare poch who had shoestring budget with big spenders like pep and klopp.

klopp liverpool finishes: 8th, 4,4,2 on far better spending in TWS than us.

 

[Phomesy]

Can we make a "I yearn for Pep/Klopp" thread so this already cancerous thread can get a bit of respite?

Fuck me...

 

[Metalhead]

I meant rejuvenated, as in given the squad a bit of a boost.

Honest, I did

Oh I see what you mean. It's a bit tricky to know how players react to new additions.

 

[Metalhead]

Can we make a "I yearn for Pep/Klopp" thread so this already cancerous thread can get a bit of respite?

Fuck me...

I'm sure that the Poch thread could have been resurrected for this.

 

[rossdapep]

How did pep team played in first season? And klopp's liverpool did best in the league when they finished 4th. Then they splash the cash and improved last year. Its amazing people compare poch who had shoestring budget with big spenders like pep and klopp.

But it's his 6th year now.

I'd also state that the CL final and summer signings should be acting as a springboard to put us in the conversation. Yes, Poch still needs time to work his magic on the new players but the lack of positivity from him when we should have been going into this season with a positive and focused mind set.

I honestly think Poch likes to dwell on these negative aspects more and more lately. He should be saying "I can't wait to get the new players all out on the pitch". Instead he's saying Lo Celso is far far away and Ndombele is only at 30% of his ability. Positivity, Poch...remember?

 

[Coco-1101]

But it's his 6th year now.

I'd also state that the CL final and summer signings should be acting as a springboard to put us in the conversation. Yes, Poch still needs time to work his magic on the new players but the lack of positivity from him when we should have been going into this season with a positive and focused mind set.

I honestly think Poch likes to dwell on these negative aspects more and more lately. He should be saying "I can't wait to get the new players all out on the pitch". Instead he's saying Lo Celso is far far away and Ndombele is only at 30% of his ability. Positivity, Poch...remember?

so saying things which is not fact but are positive will help us improve?

 

[jolegend]

I think some of Poch frustrations may be down to the fiasco with Eriksen. Latest from the Guardian on Levy and Eriksens agent falling out- apologies if already posted

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/27/tottenham-uncertain-christian-eriksen-intentions

Interesting point regarding Aurier. Clearly one that Poch wanted, if you assume he was an agreed target for the transfer committee.

But he has pretty much put him out to pasture and didn’t really persist with him at the start of his career with us. We now have an issue at right back and have totally sidelined an option. I’ve never particularly rated him so I’m not overly fussed whether Aurier stays or goes. But Poch must hold his hand up (internally of course, not publicly) and say he got that one wrong. But Poch does seem to have a tendency to want certain players and give up on them quickly. Jansen, and Nkoudou bombed pretty quickly too. Fazio and Njie to a lesser extent as I’m not too sure if the transfer committee was in place at that time.

No manger is ever going to get his purchases 100% right but I’m not entirely convinced in Pochs ability to spot a player and that is something I have mentioned on this forum a few times over the years.

Can we make a "I yearn for Pep/Klopp" thread so this already cancerous thread can get a bit of respite?

Fuck me...

Calm down. No ones forcing you in to the thread.

 

[rossdapep]

so saying things which is not fact but are positive will help us improve?

He can be honest and say "not ready just yet" but fuck me, he goes overboard on the expectations.

 

[spursfan77]

I think some of Poch frustrations may be down to the fiasco with Eriksen. Latest from the Guardian on Levy and Eriksens agent falling out- apologies if already posted

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/27/tottenham-uncertain-christian-eriksen-intentions

If levy has fallen out with his agent I’m not surprised, he bloody should of. Him and Eriksen have been leading us a merry dance for the last 12 months!

 

[Coco-1101]

He can be honest and say "not ready just yet" but fuck me, he goes overboard on the expectations.

And he said the truth it in a very honest way.

 

[mil1lion]

Hold on only one new signing has played so far the system and tactics along with poor defending where we barely ever keep clean sheets to shit sides is still there from last season, so what new visionary system are we going to play or when will our passes be played at speed with player's moving into space ahead of them surely that was what pre season and training ground routines are for unless I have it wrong.

I'm saying give it time to come together rather than judge on the first 3 games. At least wait and see how those new signings bed in and how the players adjust to the new system. Pre-season is more about getting fitness levels up, we hardly played our best team and actually played more youngsters than we will in the first team. It also takes time to get full sharpness levels up and the heat doesn't help our pressing game either.

I also think Eriksen is hugely important to the way we play and his situation has affected us badly. We did deal with that in the long run by signing Lo Celso. The trouble is Lo Celso also needs time so rather than start at least one of them the circumstances meant we started neither on Sunday. Once Eriksen gets his head back and Lo Celso settles we'll have 2 key players to the way we play. We had too many runners on Sunday and not enough playmakers, not to mention Ndombele was also missing and he's also going to be key to finding those killer balls through.

 

[Wadec]

How did pep team played in first season? And klopp's liverpool did best in the league when they finished 4th. Then they splash the cash and improved last year. Its amazing people compare poch who had shoestring budget with big spenders like pep and klopp.

klopp liverpool finishes: 8th, 4,4,2 on far better spending in TWS than us.

Again not disputing transfers or budgets helping them.

Do you think our players have improved over the last two years?
Do you think we play as well as we did the two years before that?

I am not saying Poch is a bad coach, I am not saying I wish we had Pep. I am saying that performances have dropped off greatly over the last two years and it is something Poch needs to address.

 

[Coco-1101]

Again not disputing transfers or budgets helping them.

Do you think our players have improved over the last two years?
Do you think we play as well as we did the two years before that?

I am not saying Poch is a bad coach, I am not saying I wish we had Pep. I am saying that performances have dropped off greatly over the last two years and it is something Poch needs to address.

Yes. Son improved to a top level especially last season Jan also improved in last two seasons. Remember it was toby who was best cb in our club but last two season jan did better than him.The issue is not the player regressed or stalled the problem is key players left and were not replaced or replaced with cheaper options. Tripp gone did we replace him? nope. A young rb is a gamble might work or not. Pep doesn't do gambles he had 50 mil plus rb and he went and bought a backup rb for 6o mil.

 

[shelfboy68]

I'm saying give it time to come together rather than judge on the first 3 games. At least wait and see how those new signings bed in and how the players adjust to the new system. Pre-season is more about getting fitness levels up, we hardly played our best team and actually played more youngsters than we will in the first team. It also takes time to get full sharpness levels up and the heat doesn't help our pressing game either.

I also think Eriksen is hugely important to the way we play and his situation has affected us badly. We did deal with that in the long run by signing Lo Celso. The trouble is Lo Celso also needs time so rather than start at least one of them the circumstances meant we started neither on Sunday. Once Eriksen gets his head back and Lo Celso settles we'll have 2 key players to the way we play. We had too many runners on Sunday and not enough playmakers, not to mention Ndombele was also missing and he's also going to be key to finding those killer balls through.

With respect to yourself it sounds like another load of excuses again surely the weather was hardly artic conditions when city pressed us relentlessly.
The eriksen situation we must have seen coming so why the fuss surrounding it as for lo celso you probably won't see him start until Christmas another of pochs demands that they can't play until he deems them ready.
It's not just about three games it's been going on for all last season the team has got progressively worse, I hope for all our sakes that he can turn it around and we suddenly become this fast flowing, super defending team.

 

[Phomesy]

Exactly would pep allow his players to have a record like ours over the last 15 games answer is no chance not ever.

Pep would give his fucking soul to have beaten us in the CL.

Can you imagine an Oil slaver fan writing "Exactly would Poch have allowed his players to have a CL record like ours against them given the Oil Slave billions he's been denied"?

There's a reason Pep goes where the fucking money is. The fact he chooses to oil wash Oil Slavers says all you need to know about Pep Guardiola - however good a coach he is.

What a sewer this thread is becoming - and it started pretty close to the gutter.

 

[shelfboy68]

Pep would give his fucking soul to have beaten us in the CL.

Can you imagine an Oil slaver fan writing "Exactly would Poch have allowed his players to have a CL record like ours against them given the Oil Slave billions he's been denied"?

There's a reason Pep goes where the fucking money is. The fact he chooses to oil wash Oil Slavers says all you need to know about Pep Guardiola - however good a coach he is.

What a sewer this thread is becoming - and it started pretty close to the gutter.

So is it a yes or a no mate

 

[Ronwol196061]

Only been injured for one game mate and we had more than enough to have beaten Newcastle

Yes Shelf, I get what you say and you are right but I was talking relative to a more direct approach to the game.. More about the tactics yes but we should of won with the players that we were out there with. 100%.

 

[Phomesy]

Calm down. No ones forcing you in to the thread.

It's called SPURS Community. The Klopp yearning I can just about stomach but this revolting love in for a bloke who chooses to take Oil Slaver money while taking the moral high ground on every other single issue is disgusting and should be the antithesis of what Spurs are all about.

What on earth is going on?

 

[sausage]

How did pep team played in first season? And klopp's liverpool did best in the league when they finished 4th. Then they splash the cash and improved last year. Its amazing people compare poch who had shoestring budget with big spenders like pep and klopp.

klopp liverpool finishes: 8th, 4,4,2 on far better spending in TWS than us.

Key issue with Klopp is that he had a turdy Keeper and other turds like Lovren who handicapped them to those finishes. I don't think we can point to a key/obvious weakness that is comparable (remembering that this isn't a new issue).

Ours is a tactical ineptness, and Poch unwillingness to change things when they need changing. He went on in his book about substitutions and 'trusting players', but that's obvious no good - you need to be ruthless and change things earlier to be a top manager. The motivation stuff only gets you so far without the threat of being subbed.