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Support Group for People afraid of Dier as CM

LexingtonSpurs

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This has been a common phobia seen throughout SC for the last few weeks.

"Dier is a CB not a CM"

"Pochettino has lost the plot starting Dier away at OT"

"We can't go into the season with Dier as a CM"

"Please Poch, no Dier in midfield."

"Dier in midfield is pathetic."

Its time to come together as a group and discuss these irrational fears. Lets start with the obvious, the sky is not going to fall if Dier plays CM.

As we all know (or should know by now) Eric Dier is more than just a "proper CB", he is a proper footballer. He came up though Sporting as a DM. He showed enough athleticism last season as a RB, for everyone to know he is not as immobile as Fazio. He showed enough ability last season as a RB to know he can pick out a pass, and he can move the ball forward.

If you went back to last season's match threads, almost every one would include multiple posts about how the defense would be better if we had a proper DM to shield the back four. Guess what? Dier can shield the back four. He reads the game well enough, and he knows a thing or two about putting a foot into a tackle.

Consider this - in the game at OT, Spurs held United to a single shot on goal. Do you think that was an accident? For all the things you think Dier is not, he will put in a shift, and he will protect the back line. United will end up as one of the highest scoring teams in the league this season, yet we held them to a single shot on goal. With Dier as a CM, and with most considering Bentaleb having a mare.

Was he perfect? No, of course not. It was his first game in the PL as a CM, away at OT - if you expected perfect, perhaps you also expect Levy to turn water into wine.

Is he the ideal CM for Poch's system? No. But that does not make him a poor CM - his role is simply more defensive than a typical CM in a true double pivot.

Should we continue to look for a CM in the transfer window? Sure, but no reason to break the budget. Among Dier, Bentaleb, Alli, Mason, Winks, and even Veljkovic we have enough options to play this year at the same or higher level than last year.

Compare that to our attacking options - where we currently have no viable back-up to Kane, and no pace on the team. Those are more pressing needs for this team, this season, than CM. Fill those holes first, adn then see if there is money left over for a CM.

As the transfer window winds down, and we don't bring in a new CM, remember if we can't be with the one we love, we should love the one we are with. Don' be angry - don't be sad; Don't sit crying over good times you've had. There's a girl right next to you, and she's just waiting for something to do.

Before we close this meeting, let me remind you of Spurs motto: To Dier, is to do. So it is written, so it shall be done.
 

Strikeb4ck

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I thought he was very impressive vs Man Utd (third best player for me behind Walker and Toby), and I was absolutely terrified when I saw the starting lineup.


For me the bigger concern is Bentaleb, who looked awful all preseason and brought that straight into the first game. It's fine if players mess up during preseason, but he had probably his worst game ever for Spurs against United, and even worse was that his effort didn't seem to be there.
 

glospur

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Your couldn't be more right. He was fantastic at breaking up play at OT and while he got caught on the ball a couple of times I think that awareness will come with more time played in that position. A lot of people keep banging on about how he was played out of position but i completely disagree with them; what is this is his position now? He just needs some time to adapt and he could be very good there.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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The thing I like about Dier as CM is the possibility of seeing more of his runs forward. I'm not only thinking about the two goals he scored approx a year ago. Throughout the season, there would be the odd run forward with or without the ball, and they were always dangerous.
 
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nicdic

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I could understand the initial confusion, but the guy played well at United.
 

Spurs 1961

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From the moment he started playing for us Dier looked like a player with a football brain. My only concern is that we don't use him just to plug gaps but find his best position and let him develop there. Maybe it will be as DM because yes he can tackle, he can defend but also can bring the ball out of defence. What he does need is a partner who he can give the ball to who will then use it. Hopefully Bentaleb can be that player and right now he is just going through a bad patch. It's normal for a young player to have a times when there development seems to stall so I am prepared to cut him some slack because of how much he has progressed.
 

jurgen

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If the club isn't going to invest, which seems likely, then let's play him there - as you say, he is a proper footballer. Maybe we don't need him in the middle for every single game though...
 

Wingnut_on_the_go

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I noticed that quite a few times he pulled back to form a back three when both our fullbacks pushed on. And as a result cut out a possible counter attack on more than one occasion.
 

dudu

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I could understand the initial confusion, but the guy played well at United.

Almost certainly has a bit to learn playing there but I was impressed on Saturday against a very good Man U CM partnering and front line.
 

Bofbro

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I believe given time he could develop into a very good DM, he will make a few mistakes along the way though.
 

nicdic

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I noticed that quite a few times he pulled back to form a back three when both our fullbacks pushed on. And as a result cut out a possible counter attack on more than one occasion.

He very often dropped in to make a back three. I quite liked it. Allowed more freedom for the fullbacks to get forward.
 

THOWIG

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I noticed that quite a few times he pulled back to form a back three when both our fullbacks pushed on. And as a result cut out a possible counter attack on more than one occasion.

Good spot! My 343 wish is coming to fruition. I just wish we had a left fullback with real pace when Rose is out.
 

THOWIG

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It's all about fluidity isn't it. Having players move into different positions throughout the game. Guardiola is the biggest explorer of this, but I'm sure United were hoping for something similar with Blind on Saturday.
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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I have some concerns with him playing there.

- He isn't really mobile enough at times.

- He's calm on the ball, but the moment he gets closed down and has to speed things up he almost always gets caught on it. This may just be a case of getting used to playing in there. We shall see.

- I suspect that at Sporting when he played in midfield that it was as part of a 4-3-3. This is because he looks to play very centrally and drop between the centre backs. Whilst Dembele is in the team (stationed on the right, but playing pretty narrow and not so advanced) this isn't as much of an issue, but if/when a Lamela/Townsend/new signing comes into the team then this may be a problem as there will be an awful lot of vacant space in the centre-right of the pitch.

I don't mind Poch trying it out. Dier is a calm, composed and technically decent footballer. I think he'd be better served as a pure anchor in a 4-3-3 though rather than as part of a double pivot. And long term he has to be at centre back.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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He did play reasonably well against UTD. But one game is different from being deemed as first choice for a whole season.

Would it be the end of the world if it turned out that way? No, probably not.

Could we list 15 reasons why it isn't a good enough solution going forward? Yes, potentially.

I would say its something to not be suicidal about, but not overly happy about either.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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He's not a good enough right back so....

He's not a good enough centre back so....

I know, let's try him out as a defensive midfielder lol

What a load of bollox....

Maybe when Hugo leaves we can try him in goal
 
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dvdhopeful

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However well he played in the previous game is missing the point. He isn't a DCM and is being played there to fill a gap. Chances are that one decent/good game is the exception rather than the rule. I would suspect that Poch is extremely disappointed, that a couple of months after the end of last season, his best DCM option is Dier.

Can anyone else remember the last time we started a season with our business done and squad settled?
 

Maske2g

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However well he played in the previous game is missing the point. He isn't a DCM and is being played there to fill a gap. Chances are that one decent/good game is the exception rather than the rule. I would suspect that Poch is extremely disappointed, that a couple of months after the end of last season, his best DCM option is Dier.

Can anyone else remember the last time we started a season with our business done and squad settled?

I think 61 keeper Bill Brown remembers. I would ask him but he has been dead for 11 years.
 

Kingellesar

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May 2, 2005
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It's not ideal for him to play there but I'm not against it. If he can do a job there, which Poch thinks he can then why not.

Poch is clearly moulding the players to adapt to a few positions if needed, his value would only increase if he can start playing in midfield as well. A RB, CB and CM rolled into one. He could be our James Milner.....

We do need another defensive minded midfielder though, no matter how good Dier becomes playing there, we need someone who has presence and strength, like Sandro had once upon a time before his injuries.
 
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