Sunderland Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[SpursDave88]

I don't blame the ref. We were very lucky to beat Sunderland at home with a 1-0 victory and never really looked like scoring last night. They kept us at arms length the whole match without much trouble. Very poor for a team that has aspirations to win the title.

 

[tiger666]

You fucking wanker Walker. Fuck you seriously

What was this for?

 

[Japhet]

The greatest & best manager these shores have ever seen, SAF, instilled that mentality at MUFC & had unprecedented success with it for 23 years!

Like usual when we had a chance to make up points on 1 or 2 rivals (LFC-CFC as they were playing each other, AFC was a bonus) we screwed up our lines. I was fuming up in the gods @ SOL last night as from early on you could see the players needed a kick up thrir arses. Nothing changed much after....

What AFC do or don't do is no concern of mine/ours so to use their result as some comfort factor for our dog shit display is embarrassing. We drew against the worst team in the league (2 draws, 5 Losses in last 7) when we had the chance to really turn the screw on teams around us. Us fans who care & want to win things have every reason to feel very angry & disappointed this morning. That's why we will always be 'also rans' as our players still don't get it that we have to be up for it every game!

p.s. To all you idiots who are justify poor displays by using the excuse of 'Getting a draw away at Sunderland isn't that bad because I watched us lose away every other week in the 90's' What bollocks is that! Nobody cares how crap we were in the 90's anymore, get over it & look at here & now ffs!!!

He was successful when the League was far less competitive and don't forget the vast amount of money he wasted on players like Veron, Djemba Djemba, Hargreaves etc.. If he'd done that at Spurs he would have bankrupted us.

 

[Kiedis]

What was this for?

Probably towards the end when he was trying to take a throw in and got waved back ten yards by the ref. Then he ran back to the same spot before actually throwing the ball, and the ref awarded the throw to Sunderland. So it took ages to get the ball back into play with about five minutes to go of the game.

 

[Shadydan]

He was successful when the League was far less competitive and don't forget the vast amount of money he wasted on players like Veron, Djemba Djemba, Hargreaves etc.. If he'd done that at Spurs he would have bankrupted us.

I'm sure SAF would have found a way to cope somehow, this is the same guy who turned Nicky Butt, Wes brown, John O Shea etc.. to winners.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I was arguing with a mate about whether it was a red or not, brought up the rooney tackle vs west ham



ITS THE SAME REF FFS

The ref was unbelievably bad last night.

 

[kungfugrip]

Yeah, well I hope that's the case. Just a shame that for £60m we have 3 players in which none of them can greatly contribute in any way, even besides the goal.

Agreed. But don't forget in Kane, Dele, Rose, Walker, Dier, Wanyama, Dembele, Eriksen etc we have complete bargains who cost us little (in comparative terms) or no money. They're amazing success stories which is the other side of your coin.

 

[Hazardousman]

The Poch thread has been bumped multiple times because a lot of what you said was irrational and lacked perspective, you made an OTT thread in the heat of the moment, just like you're making these OTT posts in the heat of the moment, you can't have any complaints and people will continue to mock whether fairly or unfairly because you are too extreme.

You really think it's rationale to go from thinking that we are favs for the title in one match to completely throwing your toys out the pram when we suffer a setback? Come on that's ridiculous. You think over analysing a match and not taking into account the relative strength of the opposition and completely dismissing them is normal?

I can take constructive criticism but to absolutely disregard the opposition in your analysis is myopic and silly. Sunderland had their strongest team out for a while, they just got N'Dong and Kone back who strengthened their defence and N'Dong was MOTM last night, the fact that they are bottom of the league and are struggling for safety means that we are going to struggle to break them down and that we did. The are a team scraping for points in this league and you will see these team battling away scraping for points to survive in this league. People bring up Arsenal losing against Watford and Liverpool losing against Swansea as an EXAMPLE of how difficult this league can be sometimes, not as an excuse.

In your analysis did you even take into account that one of best players had to go off injured and we lost momentum as a result, did you even take into account that one of their players should have been sent off and as a result injured Dembele who was by far the best player on the pitch before he got kicked and it affected him negatively as a result? But no as per usual you react to the result and not the circumstances just like you did after the Monaco defeat and I told you that we are suffering because we had a spate of injuries but you weren't having it.

Big deal Spurs didn't get the desired result last night, we should have won but we played poorly...move on suck it up and look forward to the next match ffs.

I fail to see what I have said in this thread is extreme? Can you please point to me what is extreme? As far as I am aware I said we played shit, we did, our formation was a big cause of the issue in my opinion considering the other formation has brought us so much success, none of what I said was actually extreme.

The argument for the Poch thread having extreme opinions is valid, I made a number of claims which I have now decided were wrong and I have said as much about 20 fucking times but clearly that isn't enough to stop people consistently referencing it every time I make an opinion as if every opinion after that thread is now invalid.

I am not "throwing my toys out of the pram" so stop repeating that as if it makes any sense, I am starting to wonder if you have actually read my posts in this thread, I said we won't win the league until we start to learn how to win games like last night, that is the truth, people may not want to admit it, but it's the truth.

After the Chelsea game I belived, mentally that we were ready because it was a professional performance but if people actually bothered to read my posts rather than just shitposting towards me they would also know that in the race for the title thread after the West Brom game I said it seems unlikely we would win the title anyway because of the gap that Chelsea have and our only chance would be if we managed to win games when they dropped points, last night was one of those chances and we blew it.

That's not to say we really had a chance of winning the title anyway because the gap was still significant but my post after the Chelsea game was me recognising the quality we showed that day and in that kind of form I think we can win the title, so yes, it is valid for me to change my opinion based on results the same way it is valid for me to change my opinion about how we played poorly at the start of the season and over the christmas period we have shown how good we can be.

Normally I do consider the strength of the opposition but like I have said, again and again add nausea, I have watched Sunderland multiple times this season and last night they didn't even put in their best performance, we allowed them to be comfortable because WE didn't turn up, if we had we would have swept them aside barring a really bad day at the office.

This is a team who have not won a game in 6, who have shipped 42 goals this season and were dead bottom of the table and frankly all over the place in terms of confidence and we couldn't even put one goal past them with what was essentially our best 11 bar two players.

It is an excuse, you can spin it however you want Shady but they are bottom for a reason and for a team wanting silverware we should be putting the same effort levels in against Sunderland that we put in against Chelsea, this isn't a hard thing to notice, we turned up last night expecting the points, Poch panicked and reverted back to a formation that was not working instead of actually using bench players that could have allowed us to play that formation and it ultimately cost us a victory, it makes me question if he has faith in our reserves or subs and if not, why have we not strengthened?

You say this after every single loss and result, you absolutely refuse to criticize our performances and instead choose to just "move on" well that's fine, that's your choice but you citing Rose as the issue is ignoring that fact that we was actually better in the second half after he was injured, I don't think it contributed as much as you think.

Dembele as well could be argued but again, I think it's a strawman argument in comparison to what the real issue was and that is that we simply didn't turn up and the way we approach the game neutralised any threat we had in the attacking sense.

I will agree they should have been down to ten men though.

 

[Shadydan]

I fail to see what I have said in this thread is extreme? Can you please point to me what is extreme? As far as I am aware I said we played shit, we did, our formation was a big cause of the issue in my opinion considering the other formation has brought us so much success, none of what I said was actually extreme.

The argument for the Poch thread having extreme opinions is valid, I made a number of claims which I have now decided were wrong and I have said as much about 20 fucking times but clearly that isn't enough to stop people consistently referencing it every time I make an opinion as if every opinion after that thread is now invalid.

I am not "throwing my toys out of the pram" so stop repeating that as if it makes any sense, I am starting to wonder if you have actually read my posts in this thread, I said we won't win the league until we start to learn how to win games like last night, that is the truth, people may not want to admit it, but it's the truth.

After the Chelsea game I belived, mentally that we were ready because it was a professional performance but if people actually bothered to read my posts rather than just shitposting towards me they would also know that in the race for the title thread after the West Brom game I said it seems unlikely we would win the title anyway because of the gap that Chelsea have and our only chance would be if we managed to win games when they dropped points, last night was one of those chances and we blew it.

That's not to say we really had a chance of winning the title anyway because the gap was still significant but my post after the Chelsea game was me recognising the quality we showed that day and in that kind of form I think we can win the title, so yes, it is valid for me to change my opinion based on results the same way it is valid for me to change my opinion about how we played poorly at the start of the season and over the christmas period we have shown how good we can be.

Normally I do consider the strength of the opposition but like I have said, again and again add nausea, I have watched Sunderland multiple times this season and last night they didn't even put in their best performance, we allowed them to be comfortable because WE didn't turn up, if we had we would have swept them aside barring a really bad day at the office.

This is a team who have not won a game in 6, who have shipped 42 goals this season and were dead bottom of the table and frankly all over the place in terms of confidence and we couldn't even put one goal past them with what was essentially our best 11 bar two players.

It is an excuse, you can spin it however you want Shady but they are bottom for a reason and for a team wanting silverware we should be putting the same effort levels in against Sunderland that we put in against Chelsea, this isn't a hard thing to notice, we turned up last night expecting the points, Poch panicked and reverted back to a formation that was not working instead of actually using bench players that could have allowed us to play that formation and it ultimately cost us a victory, it makes me question if he has faith in our reserves or subs and if not, why have we not strengthened?

You say this after every single loss and result, you absolutely refuse to criticize our performances and instead choose to just "move on" well that's fine, that's your choice but you citing Rose as the issue is ignoring that fact that we was actually better in the second half after he was injured, I don't think it contributed as much as you think.

Dembele as well could be argued but again, I think it's a strawman argument in comparison to what the real issue was and that is that we simply didn't turn up and the way we approach the game neutralised any threat we had in the attacking sense.

I will agree they should have been down to ten men though.

I'm not even going to attempt to reply to all of that, I've said my peace but I don't believe for one minute you watch Sunderland play regularly, if you did you'd actually credit them, even the fans thought that one of their best performances this season and were raving about their defence.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/defence-last-night.1326175/

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/a-draw-with-second-placed-spurs.1325953/

They're actually ecstatic with that performance so instead of you being so quick to criticise maybe you ought to take a step back and look at the bigger picture which is what I've said all along rather than blaming Spurs and looking for an immediate scapegoat all the time, it's boring.

If you look in this thread I've already criticised the performance, I just don't dwell on it and cry like a baby, I don't look for scapegoats and things that aren't there unlike you, that's where the extremes come into it, you're too bipolar for your own good

 

[fortworthspur]

Probably towards the end when he was trying to take a throw in and got waved back ten yards by the ref. Then he ran back to the same spot before actually throwing the ball, and the ref awarded the throw to Sunderland. So it took ages to get the ball back into play with about five minutes to go of the game.

and then the Sunderland player advanced 7 or 8 yards from the spot the ref wanted and the ref was fine with it.

 

[MiamiYiddo]

It really wasn't the game for Sissoko. When a team is putting 10 men behind the ball we don't need brainless running, we need a bit of invention or trickery.

miss Lamela big time

 

[cheeseman]

I'm not even going to attempt to reply to all of that, I've said my peace but I don't believe for one minute you watch Sunderland play regularly, if you did you'd actually credit them, even the fans thought that one of their best performances this season and were raving about their defence.

Yep. Anyone suggesting Sunderland didn't defend well isn't worth listening to.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

Anyone have that stupidly biased Scottish bloke commentating on their stream? So bloody annoying, why do they do it?

 

[kungfugrip]

miss Lamela big time

....she sounds pretty high maintenance to me.