Match Threads Dinamo Zagreb vs Spurs - Match Thread- 2nd leg

[Bobbins]

“The team at the moment is just a reflect of what’s going on in the club”

What is he referring to here? Does that mean Levy is running the club into the ground, a criticism of the recruitment policy or Jose's day to day management?

Or what he actually meant, which is a complete lack of commitment from a section of the playing squad?

 

[taidgh]

Someone is getting ahead of themselves.

said the old spurs fan to the young one...

 

[rupsmith]

Well said, Hugo! Nailed it.

Clearly too many whingers at the club. Well said Hugo. I think many players in that squad have let down two top managers. I will be happy to stick with Jose and throw out the junk.

 

[spud]

Two quotes:

1. Mourinho
"They [Dinamo] left sweat, energy, blood. In the end they left even tears of happiness," Mourinho told BT Sport. "They were very humble and committed. I have to praise them. On the other side, my team - I repeat, my team - didn't look like it was playing an important match. If for any one of them it is not important, for me it is."

Translation:
I did everything right and my attitude was right. It's the players' fault.

2. Lloris
"It's a disgrace," he told BT Sport. "I hope everyone in the changing room feels responsible. The taste of the defeat is more than painful and we are all responsible. We are a club full of ambition but the team at the moment is a reflection of what is going on in the club. Lack of basics, lack of fundamentals. Mentally we should be stronger, more competitive...........If you follow the team only when you are in the starting XI, that can be a big problem and today is the consequence of that. We had great moments in the past because we could trust the togetherness in the team. Today I am not sure about that."

Translation:
We were shit and we're responsible, but there is a cancer in the club. We had a spirit of togetherness under Poch; we don't have it under Mourinho.

So we have a manager who refuses to acknowledge any accountability and a player who accepts responsibility and says that it is symptomatic of a wider issue. Which, as far as I am concerned, speaks volumes.

 

[worcestersauce]

At least we can concentrate on the league now.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

Port Vale was grim.

What reason do you think they downed tools since the Palace game? Downed tools doesnt make sense to me, I disagree.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

#MeToo

Feeling exactly the same right now. No raging or anger left. All washed away.
.

 

[Shadydan]

This feels worse than losing the CL final for me.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

But he is absolutely correct this time. They were spineless.

José Mourinho attacks Spurs attitude after dismal Dinamo Zagreb defeat

Mislav Orsic’s stunning hat-trick gave Dinamo Zagreb a 3-0 second-leg win over a lacklustre Spurs, sealing a 3-2 victory on aggregate

www.theguardian.com

Joe chucks team
under the bus and prepares his excuses for the future

 

[Springerding]

Enic out

 

[RickyVilla]

I have no clue where we go from here? Looks like the manager has lost a portion of the dressing room and that probably makes his job untenable. I think he needs to go and then time for another rebuild. Go back to signing young homegrown talent and get a manager in who can motivate this lot. Jose obviously can’t.

 

[Romulus]

Yep, still hurts. In fact, probably more so than last night.

Ah well, time to face the music at work.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

I have no clue where we go from here? Looks like the manager has lost a portion of the dressing room and that probably makes his job untenable. I think he needs to go and then time for another rebuild. Go back to signing young homegrown talent and get a manager in who can motivate this lot. Jose obviously can’t.

Agree. Jose is an issue but some of the players (many in fact) are garbage and there's a clique that needs to be broken up like at the start of the Poch era.

Painful Rebuild 4eva. The True Story of Tottenham Hotspur.

 

[rez9000]

Two quotes:

1. Mourinho
"They [Dinamo] left sweat, energy, blood. In the end they left even tears of happiness," Mourinho told BT Sport. "They were very humble and committed. I have to praise them. On the other side, my team - I repeat, my team - didn't look like it was playing an important match. If for any one of them it is not important, for me it is."

Translation:
I did everything right and my attitude was right. It's the players' fault.

2. Lloris
"It's a disgrace," he told BT Sport. "I hope everyone in the changing room feels responsible. The taste of the defeat is more than painful and we are all responsible. We are a club full of ambition but the team at the moment is a reflection of what is going on in the club. Lack of basics, lack of fundamentals. Mentally we should be stronger, more competitive...........If you follow the team only when you are in the starting XI, that can be a big problem and today is the consequence of that. We had great moments in the past because we could trust the togetherness in the team. Today I am not sure about that."

Translation:
We were shit and we're responsible, but there is a cancer in the club. We had a spirit of togetherness under Poch; we don't have it under Mourinho.

So we have a manager who refuses to acknowledge any accountability and a player who accepts responsibility and says that it is symptomatic of a wider issue. Which, as far as I am concerned, speaks volumes.

I think there's a small issue with your internet, spuddy, because it seems you missed a large chunk of Lloris' interview. That must be the reason because I reckon a good two thrids of it are missing. He talks about the players a lot. Just to do you a favour, I'll pull out the bits that were inexplicably missing from your analysis. And we'll do a little word count at the end, just for fun. Here's one bit from near the end:

"I think we all belong to the team. Football is not about individual players. It's not because there [are] two, three [or] four players that are going to step up. It's not enough. We need more than that."

I wonder what the 'more' means. I mean he was saying we have a few players who will step up, but we need... 'more'. I have to say I'm scratching my head a bit about what it is he thinks we need more of.... He says two, three or four players who step up... but we need more. Hmmmm. I'm going to need someone to translate that for me, I have to admit.

Or how about:

"[It's one thing] to come in front of the camera [and] say 'I'm ambitious'. [It's another] thing to show [it] every day in training sessions, to show [it] every time on the pitch. You can't let it down if you play or not play.

Now, correct me I'm wrong, but Mourinho doesn't do much playing, right? So who could Lloris possibly be referring to here....? I'm just trying to work out who it is that usually is required to do things on a pitch.... Got it! He was talking about the referee, wasn't he? Thank goodness I managed to work it out! But don't worry, there's a whole load more from Hugo you missed for some reason; search me what that reason could possibly be.... maybe your video player cut out, who knows? Anyway:

"To behave as a team is the most difficult thing to do in football. Whatever is the decision of the manager, you have to follow the way of the team.

Funny, that sounds to me like there are individuals who are deliberately choosing not, to quote Hugo, "to follow the way of the team". Hmmmm. Now, I wonder who it is that Hugo's talking about here? Who is it that's, essentially, pissing on the badge? And speaking of badges, our club captain had this to say...

Oh no, wait it's still another four and half minutes into the interview before he gets to the bit about the badge. There's a whole load more before then. To be honest it's such a shame you seemed to have missed it, spuddy. I'd speak to your ISP and ask them why they cut off most of Hugo's interview, because hell, you wouldn't cherrypick the bit that sounds like it may bear a tangential relationship to what you're trying to push, so the fault must be with your browser or internet connection. Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. But anyway back to Monsieur Lloris:

"If you follow the team only when you're in the starting XI that causes big problems for the team".

That Mourinho, eh? Only working for the team when he's in the starting XI! (What's supremely funny to me is that you actually quoted the rest of that sentence in your lambasting of Mourinho. What, didn't you notice what you were copying and pasting?)

Once more to Hugo, after being asked whether he believed what happened last night was possible, he expounded on it always being possible in football, and added that:

"What is more painful is the feeling we came here without the desire to kill the game."

That's key because earlier in the interview he explicitly stated that the manager had urged the team to go out get a goal to make it easier i.e. kill the game. So who is responsible for not following he manager's instructions? Ah, I worked this one out too.... it's Ledley, isn't it? I'm on fire right now!

Hugo continued that answer with:

"And when you're a competitor, you cannot behave in that way."

Who could it be that cannot behave that way? The manager? It was the manager that when instructed to kill the game, didn't, and as a competitor shouldn't have behaved that way? That must be it!

After being asked about Hugo's personal experience in lifting himself up after disappointments and whether the other players can do it too, the response began with the passage I quoted first. He continued that thought with:

"On the bench there is an influence to have. To push the others. In training sessions the same. Everyone has to be ready to push and make sure he is ready to help the team when the moment [comes]. It's not only stay on your side and complain because [in] the end what we have to do is respect is this..." pointing to the Spurs emblem on his coat "...it's the badge, this is the most important thing. It's over all the players in the place and we have to respect the badge."

Now, I think I've grasped the basic gist of football enough to know that 'the others' is probably referring to the other players, right? Not the manager or staff. Have I got that right? But it must be Mourinho who is complaining, yes? It's Mourinho not respecting the badge, yes?

Now, let's get to the fun bit. Yep, you're in for a treat. IT'S WORD-COUNT TIME! WOOHOO!

Your Lloris quote word count: 112

My Lloris quote word count: 237 and that doesn't include the square bracket words, btw.

So, you pull out 112 words of the interview, I pull out 237 - more than double. Plus yours also contained words that actually support the idea that his main thrust was about the players, not the manager but we'll count all the ones you used anyway. So 112 words about the manager against 237 words about the players.

I think we need someone to translate what that means.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

and based on form we will get slaughtered in the cup final

Fuck knows if it's been posted, I'm just catching up with the thread BUT (we are a laughing stock).......

 

[topper]

Yep, still hurts. In fact, probably more so than last night.

Ah well, time to face the music at work.

One of the only good things about lockdown is working from home in situations like this!

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

I think there's a small issue with your internet, spuddy, because it seems you missed a large chunk of Lloris' interview. That must be the reason because I reckon a good two thrids of it are missing. He talks about the players a lot. Just to do you a favour, I'll pull out the bits that were inexplicably missing from your analysis. And we'll do a little word count at the end, just for fun. Here's one bit from near the end:

"I think we all belong to the team. Football is not about individual players. It's not because there [are] two, three [or] four players that are going to step up. It's not enough. We need more than that."

I wonder what the 'more' means. I mean he was saying we have a few players who will step up, but we need... 'more'. I have to say I'm scratching my head a bit about what it is he thinks we need more of.... He says two, three or four players who step up... but we need more. Hmmmm. I'm going to need someone to translate that for me, I have to admit.

Or how about:

"[It's one thing] to come in front of the camera [and] say 'I'm ambitious'. [It's another] thing to show [it] every day in training sessions, to show [it] every time on the pitch. You can't let it down if you play or not play.

Now, correct me I'm wrong, but Mourinho doesn't do much playing, right? So who could Lloris possibly be referring to here....? I'm just trying to work out who it is that usually is required to do things on a pitch.... Got it! He was talking about the referee, wasn't he? Thank goodness I managed to work it out! But don't worry, there's a whole load more from Hugo you missed for some reason; search me what that reason could possibly be.... maybe your video player cut out, who knows? Anyway:

"To behave as a team is the most difficult thing to do in football. Whatever is the decision of the manager, you have to follow the way of the team.

Funny, that sounds to me like there are individuals who are deliberately choosing not, to quote Hugo, "to follow the way of the team". Hmmmm. Now, I wonder who it is that Hugo's talking about here? Who is it that's, essentially, pissing on the badge? And speaking of badges, our club captain had this to say...

Oh no, wait it's still another four and half minutes into the interview before he gets to the bit about the badge. There's a whole load more before then. To be honest it's such a shame you seemed to have missed it, spuddy. I'd speak to your ISP and ask them why they cut off most of Hugo's interview, because hell, you wouldn't cherrypick the bit that sounds like it may bear a tangential relationship to what you're trying to push, so the fault must be with your browser or internet connection. Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. But anyway back to Monsieur Lloris:

"If you follow the team only when you're in the starting XI that causes big problems for the team".

That Mourinho, eh? Only working for the team when he's in the starting XI! (What's supremely funny to me is that you actually quoted the rest of that sentence in your lambasting of Mourinho. What, didn't you notice what you were copying and pasting?)

Once more to Hugo, after being asked whether he believed what happened last night was possible, he expounded on it always being possible in football, and added that:

"What is more painful is the feeling we came here without the desire to kill the game."

That's key because earlier in the interview he explicitly stated that the manager had urged the team to go out get a goal to make it easier i.e. kill the game. So who is responsible for not following he manager's instructions? Ah, I worked this one out too.... it's Ledley, isn't it? I'm on fire right now!

Hugo continued that answer with:

"And when you're a competitor, you cannot behave in that way."

Who could it be that cannot behave that way? The manager? It was the manager that when instructed to kill the game, didn't, and as a competitor shouldn't have behaved that way? That must be it!

After being asked about Hugo's personal experience in lifting himself up after disappointments and whether the other players can do it too, the response began with the passage I quoted first. He continued that thought with:

"On the bench there is an influence to have. To push the others. In training sessions the same. Everyone has to be ready to push and make sure he is ready to help the team when the moment [comes]. It's not only stay on your side and complain because [in] the end what we have to do is respect is this..." pointing to the Spurs emblem on his coat "...it's the badge, this is the most important thing. It's over all the players in the place and we have to respect the badge."

Now, I think I've grasped the basic gist of football enough to know that 'the others' is probably referring to the other players, right? Not the manager or staff. Have I got that right? But it must be Mourinho who is complaining, yes? It's Mourinho not respecting the badge, yes?

Now, let's get to the fun bit. Yep, you're in for a treat. IT'S WORD-COUNT TIME! WOOHOO!

Your Lloris quote word count: 112

My Lloris quote word count: 237 and that doesn't include the square bracket words, btw.

So, you pull out 112 words of the interview, I pull out 237 - more than double. Plus yours also contained words that actually support the idea that his main thrust was about the players, not the manager but we'll count all the ones you used anyway. So 112 words about the manager against 237 words about the players.

I think we need someone to translate what that means.

You're getting deep into it, man.

Basically some of the players are right whoppers and Jose is also a bit shit.

We're fucked.

 

[cabinfever]

I feel, if one is being honest and unbiased, it was very clear from Hugo that this is a player issue.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Sanchez and Dier were a disgrace... their communication was non-existent yet despite them being all over the place Jose only brought on offensive players. Haul one of them off for Alderweireld and we likely would have won the tie.

Yes but he had to save Alderweireld to ensure he's fit enough to keep Sundays defeat against Villa as minimal as possible.

 

[Meercat]

Yep, that interview from our captain is damning for the mindset of the team. His, backed up with Jose’s more red-eyed shell-shock interview makes me feel for the guys who give a shit, and fear how this is all going to play out.