Summer 2022 Window Scouting Thread

[Trix]

I don’t think anyone’s saying only have one player, but I just favour a more planned out window. I also think there is something to be said for courting your preferred target for a long time and letting them know they are central to your vision rather than their agent hearing you are after 10 players in that position.

That may fly at Juve where pretty much all Italian players are desperate to join and a lot of foreign imports are too, but we are a different kettle of fish. It’s all moot anyway, this is Paratici’s MO and we’ll just have to ride it out and hope for more Romeros and Kulus.

You are missing the point of my initial post completely imo. Putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.

 

[danielneeds]

You are missing the point of my initial post completely imo. Putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.

How exactly? It’s down as record that Fabio loves to spin the plates and have multiple deals for each position going, and may pull the trigger on any one of them.

There are other ways of working too. I just prefer a more targeted and methodological approach. I’m still backing him this summer and hope he brings in real quality.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

How exactly? It’s down as record that Fabio loves to spin the plates and have multiple deals for each position going, and may pull the trigger on any one of them.

There are other ways of working too. I just prefer a more targeted and methodological approach. I’m still backing him this summer and hope he brings in real quality.

When you are going for the best players there will be lots of competition, putting all of your eggs in one basket is likely to lead to zero players being signed due to the real top players choosing the real top clubs, and our second, third and fourth choices may also then be unavailable as they have signed for other clubs on account of us not being interested and working on deals for them.

I’m really not sure what you think we miss out on by our DoF constantly talking to other clubs and agents to get ideas of transfer fees and salary packages?!?

 

[Japhet]

When you are going for the best players there will be lots of competition, putting all of your eggs in one basket is likely to lead to zero players being signed due to the real top players choosing the real top clubs, and our second, third and fourth choices may also then be unavailable as they have signed for other clubs on account of us not being interested and working on deals for them.

I’m really not sure what you think we miss out on by our DoF constantly talking to other clubs and agents to get ideas of transfer fees and salary packages?!?

Exactly what happened when Poch insisted on deLigt and deJong. We ended up with nothing.

 

[YB123]

Jornal Noticias - reliable for Portugese teams is saying we are readying a move for Sporting midfielder Palhinha. Conte allegedly a big fan.

Ties in with the scouts we've had at a couple of Sporting Lisbon games.

 

[Trix]

How exactly? It’s down as record that Fabio loves to spin the plates and have multiple deals for each position going, and may pull the trigger on any one of them.

There are other ways of working too. I just prefer a more targeted and methodological approach. I’m still backing him this summer and hope he brings in real quality.

But again that doesn't mean we don't have a preferred option that ultimately we are working harder to achieve than others in the same position. All it does mean is that we are some way down the road with other options should option A not pan out.

What you have to remember is that agents and selling clubs are not going to be shy about telling the press that we want their player. Just because FP has been in contact and asked the questions regards cost and contracts does not mean we ultimately don't prefer other players, despite what they might believe and are telling the press.

The only point of my post this morning was to point that out, and if we end up not getting player xyz it doesn't mean it wasn't part of the plan throughout, and all they were was a back up option.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Gary Jacob is decent but personally think £60m+ could be better spent elsewhere

Yep.

We could pick up another Ndombele for that fee.

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[chrisd2k]

But again that doesn't mean we don't have a preferred option that ultimately we are working harder to achieve than others in the same position. All it does mean is that we are some way down the road with other options should option A not pan out.

What you have to remember is that agents and selling clubs are not going to be shy about telling the press that we want their player. Just because FP has been in contact and asked the questions regards cost and contracts does not mean we ultimately don't prefer other players, despite what they might believe and are telling the press.

The only point of my post this morning was to point that out, and if we end up not getting player xyz it doesn't mean it wasn't part of the plan throughout, and all they were was a back up option.

Yep but some just like to argue for arguing sake. I'm quite like that too sometimes you twat ??

 

[$hoguN]

How exactly? It’s down as record that Fabio loves to spin the plates and have multiple deals for each position going, and may pull the trigger on any one of them.

There are other ways of working too. I just prefer a more targeted and methodological approach. I’m still backing him this summer and hope he brings in real quality.

We have a record of trying that and failing time and time again.

The reality of the situation here is that we are looking to make significant changes to the squad this summer and therefore flexibility has to be built in up front. For example, we might plan to try to sign player X, but in order for that to happen they want player Y as part of the deal. The implications could suddenly mean we another non-HG spot in the squad so we may reprioritise our targets. This is all part of making large change.

Last summer City couldn’t even take the approach you are setting out of selecting who they wanted and having no flexibility as they believed they could force our hand with Kane.

 

[Stevomullan18]

And what if that main option is also being courted by Madrid or Barca and is waiting to see if they follow through first? Or will only move to a CL club? Or the selling club is wanting too much money right now but we know they will accept less if other moves happen. Or we need 2 HG players out of the 6 we want but are unsure if we can get the 2 HG we want?

I could go on and on tbh, and lets face it how many times have we been burnt in the past because the main option has fallen through and there has been panic buying because of the lack of back up options available to us.

Transfers are easy if you are on FM or are Manchester City. It's not so easy when you are Spurs and are trying to buy elite players against Elite teams who are guaranteed CL, and to who money is no object.

People on here been moaning for the longest time that we go into transfer windows with no obvious plan. We finally establish one and according to some we should revert back to all in on one player who may or may not end up coming. I mean it's not like we won't have a preferred option, just pointing out that might not be the one you want it to be, and that with every player that doesn't come the press will call it out as one we've missed out on.

I agree, having a plan is essential.
My issue is with us being slow to pull the trigger on preferred targets which then allows other "bigger" clubs to come in and pinch them from us. Examples include Bruno Fernandes, Ruben Dias, Luis Diaz. These were all players we were very strong on, but we dithered/haggled and ended up losing out on them to clubs that came in and simply paid the club's/players what they wanted.

I know it's not merely as simple as that, and there are many deals that were close we fans never even heard about (Hulk this week confirmed he almost joined us under Jose), but the main thing for me is I would like to see us be a bit quicker in closing deals. This approach from Fab APPEARS to go against that.

 

[Stevomullan18]

The big clubs are more likely to get their top targets. That’s the major flaw in your argument.

And why is that? Because they don't mess around and pay the fees/wages it takes to secure players.

Haggling allows time for other bigger sharks to enter the waters.

 

[dontcallme]

And why is that? Because they don't mess around and pay the fees/wages it takes to secure players.

Haggling allows time for other bigger sharks to enter the waters.

No. Getting top players comes down to so much more than haggling. That’s a genuinely embarrassing argument.

The best players want to play for the best clubs. This shouldn’t need explaining.

 

[Yiddo1982]

I agree, having a plan is essential.
My issue is with us being slow to pull the trigger on preferred targets which then allows other "bigger" clubs to come in and pinch them from us. Examples include Bruno Fernandes, Ruben Dias, Luis Diaz. These were all players we were very strong on, but we dithered/haggled and ended up losing out on them to clubs that came in and simply paid the club's/players what they wanted.

I know it's not merely as simple as that, and there are many deals that were close we fans never even heard about (Hulk this week confirmed he almost joined us under Jose), but the main thing for me is I would like to see us be a bit quicker in closing deals. This approach from Fab APPEARS to go against that.

Not quite.

Jose vetoed Ruben Diaz (unfortunately), and we were priced out of Bruno after getting Lo Celso (who was Poch's preferred target). Luis Diaz was always nailed on for Liverpool and we made a play, but it didn't work out.

 

[Trix]

And why is that? Because they don't mess around and pay the fees/wages it takes to secure players.

Haggling allows time for other bigger sharks to enter the waters.

It's also because the players see them as the best opportunity available to them to win things. Players want to join the clubs at the top of the food chain for more reasons than just money. If only you knew just how many players we'd all but agreed deals with their clubs and agents but the player was waiting on another bigger club that had shown interest.

You think it's as simple as the first club to put the money up just gets the player?

 

[Stevomullan18]

No. Getting top players comes down to so much more than haggling. That’s a genuinely embarrassing argument.

The best players want to play for the best clubs. This shouldn’t need explaining.

Missing the point completely.

It's speed and closing deals quickly ahead of other clubs that is the issue we have. Shouldn't need explaining again, but there we are.

 

[dontcallme]

Missing the point completely.

It's speed and closing deals quickly ahead of other clubs that is the issue we have. Shouldn't need explaining again, but there we are.

Not missing the point at all.

Players and agents are aware of interest. They regularly wait to see what offers come in. Thinking that if we just put up money they’ll come to us just ignores reality.

 

[Pekoni]

Wait a second. No way there's still people who think that you shouldn't haggle while doing business. Thank god we haggle.

 

[hero]

It's also because the players see them as the best opportunity available to them to win things. Players want to join the clubs at the top of the food chain for more reasons than just money. If only you knew just how many players we'd all but agreed deals with their clubs and agents but the player was waiting on another bigger club that had shown interest.

You think it's as simple as the first club to put the money up just gets the player?

Yep, the majority thinks so. I read tons of a horsesh*t, that Levy should've proposed more money to de Ligt and de Jong and they would choose us if he did.

 

[Stevomullan18]

It's also because the players see them as the best opportunity available to them to win things. Players want to join the clubs at the top of the food chain for more reasons than just money. If only you knew just how many players we'd all but agreed deals with their clubs and agents but the player was waiting on another bigger club that had shown interest.

You think it's as simple as the first club to put the money up just gets the player?

I get that, we aren't at the top of the food chain but are fairly high up in it.

I made reference to that, there's a lot more goes on than we ever know.

No I dont believe that to be the case, but I do believe that we have missed out on many top players over the years because we haven't paid asking price early. However, instances we have done deals early, such as Davinson Sanchez for example, have not exactly worked out well.

All I want is conviction from the club once a top target has been identified.

 

[dontcallme]

Wait a second. No way there's still people who think that you shouldn't haggle while doing business. Thank god we haggle.

Even funnier that people think if we didn’t we’d get a whole bunch of world class players joining us if we didn’t.