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No, you're quite correct, you don't rememberI don't remember him playing a single minute of U18 or U23 football last season. Can anyone correct me?
No, you're quite correct, you don't rememberI don't remember him playing a single minute of U18 or U23 football last season. Can anyone correct me?
Can you believe that Georgiou and Dinzeyi were selected to go on the 2017 preseason tour ahead of Edwards and Tanganga .
Can you believe that Georgiou and Dinzeyi were selected to go on the 2017 preseason tour ahead of Edwards and Tanganga .
We would take Miller, Marsh, Georgiou over the likes of Shashoua, Bennetts, Edwards, Brown and Hinds, because they were good guys?
Apparently this is a finishing school and not a football club
If those guys were working harder than their more talented teammates in training I can understand why Poch would have chosen to reward them. Talent is nothing without application, and that needs to be reinforced at youth level above anything else.
As I said it's a football club. What purpose is there investing time in a hard working player who's maximum potential is to be a 4 out of 10, when you have a 8/9 out of 10 at your disposal. You're job as manager is to maximise the resources you have available I thought. Especially if you want funds to buy players, you need to add value.
I think as a manager working with 18 year olds you need to be creative rather than take a one size fits all approach, it's what they do for the first team. Not everyone is going to work at the same level. Anyway by all accounts Tanganga's an excellent trainer so I don't know why he would miss two preseasons in a row but then I don't see them in training and am only going off reports
Because potential is not a 100% known quantity. Some players hit their ceiling at 18, some at 23. When they are 15-18 years old, you don't know for sure who has the highest ceiling. Those you THINK have the biggest potential, won't fulfill that potential if they don't work hard enough. A hard-working 4/10 player will be better than a 8/10 player who can't be arsed.
Who is now in charge of the academy after McDermott left?
I would also always prefer to work on an 8/10 player to improve their mentality than take a 4/10 and ttry to improve their ability.
Agreed. When there is that big a gulf in ability, it’s a no brainer. But when the gulf in ability isn’t so huge, mentality becomes key.
Harry Kane, for instance, was probably a 7/10 in terms of ability when in the academy. But you’d take him every time over an 8/10 Edwards because you know that he has the mentality to squeeze every last drop out of whatever ability he has.
Yeah, not loving this revisionism regarding Kane. Sure he had some tough loans, but he was always smashing goals in left right and center through the set up.When you are talking fine margins then I would agree but when Georgiou is ahead of Edwards then something is wrong.
As for Kane, I think he was always an 8 or 9 in the academy as he was very highly regarded by the club. Some of our fans weren't so keen initially but that's another story.
When you are talking fine margins then I would agree but when Georgiou is ahead of Edwards then something is wrong.
As for Kane, I think he was always an 8 or 9 in the academy as he was very highly regarded by the club. Some of our fans weren't so keen initially but that's another story.
When you are talking fine margins then I would agree but when Georgiou is ahead of Edwards then something is wrong.
As for Kane, I think he was always an 8 or 9 in the academy as he was very highly regarded by the club. Some of our fans weren't so keen initially but that's another story.
Yeah, not loving this revisionism regarding Kane. Sure he had some tough loans, but he was always smashing goals in left right and center through the set up.
Read a Dawson interview once where one of the youth teams roll past and say they beat someone handsomely, and Dawson was like "Kane hattrick?". Everyone knew.
As I said it's a football club. What purpose is there investing time in a hard working player who's maximum potential is to be a 4 out of 10, when you have a 8/9 out of 10 at your disposal. You're job as manager is to maximise the resources you have available I thought. Especially if you want funds to buy players, you need to add value.
I think as a manager working with 18 year olds you need to be creative rather than take a one size fits all approach, it's what they do for the first team. Not everyone is going to work at the same level. Anyway by all accounts Tanganga's an excellent trainer so I don't know why he would miss two preseasons in a row but then I don't see them in training and am only going off reports
It's very possible that not making it here and being sold to a Portuguese team outside the top few gave him the Kick up the Arse or motivation or desire to kick start him. He wouldn't be the first player that this has happened to.So why is Edwards suddenly starting to fulfil his potential? Is it because he is working harder or because he has been given an opportunity and has been shown some faith?
My guess would be the latter. Taking a one size fits all approach to anything in life doesn't work as you need to adapt your approach to the individual. You can tell one person they are amazing and it will go to their head and say the same thing to someone else and they will thrive.
Tell someone they need to work harder or they won't make it will have different results depending on who you tell. Some will work harder others will sulk.
I would also always prefer to work on an 8/10 player to improve their mentality than take a 4/10 and ttry to improve their ability.
Question for those of you who follow our youth teams closely:
How far off a place in the first team squad is Dennis Cirkin? Obviously, he has no experience at senior level....so my question is more about his physical and mental maturity. Is he the kind that could thrive and make an immediate impact or will he need time to grow into senior football through well chosen loan spells?
I ask because I see left back as one of the positions that most requires strengthening in our first team. Ben Davies is a decent defender but offers comparatively little going forward. Overall, he’s a bit “meh” to me. Decent, likeable, good squad option......but not a starting left back for a team that aspires to win the biggest trophies. A big downgrade on peak Danny Rose.
Ryan Sessegnon obviously has huge potential. But I’m not sure that it is at left back. So the question is - should we actively be looking to buy a new left back this window or should we give Dennis Cirkin the opportunity to deputise Ben Davies this season and see if he can make the position his own?