Match Threads Spurs Vs Stade Rennais : Postponed

[mr ashley]

I don't think we did anything wrong, I can see why we didn't want to play.
But AFAIK we had sufficient players, so we should forfeit the game. Why we now want to play Leicester with a similarly weakened team is beyond me, BTW.
I know nothing about Vitesse hooligans, so I'm not going to comment on that
But I never thought it was fair our club missed out on European football because of hooligans in the 80s.

I just don’t get why we’re being so supportive of other teams case instead of our own.
Take us out of the argument and I might see it. But to suggest another club should benefit at our expense- no

that’s just weird.

Oh, and in the home game against vitesse their fans were causing hell in the away end FYI. Everyone at the game saw it, and those in the north lower had to put up with it. Neanderthals

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Did we go under the 13 though? I haven't seen that, as can see if it's under 13 we should forfeit the game. But if we also asked UEFA for it to be re arranged and they agreed and that's in their rules (can't find much on their rules) then there isn't much they can do.

Well, if we did go under the 13 and UEFA accepted that, the game would have been postponed
The game wasn't postponed so I assume we had the requisite 13.
My arguments are based on that assumption. Clearly if we didn't have 13, then we should have the right to reschedule and the Rennes should forfeit if the game isn't replayed
In that scenario Vitesse would have no case against us, just against UEFA and Rennes

 

[Yid-ol]

Well, if we did go under the 13 and UEFA accepted that, the game would have been postponed
The game wasn't postponed so I assume we had the requisite 13.
My arguments are based on that assumption. Clearly if we didn't have 13, then we should have the right to reschedule and the Rennes should forfeit if the game isn't replayed
In that scenario Vitesse would have no case against us, just UEFA and Rennes

Going by the rules yes, if we went under 13 we should have, but I don't think we ever announced how many so it's hard to tell.

 

[mr ashley]

Well, if we did go under the 13 and UEFA accepted that, the game would have been postponed
The game wasn't postponed so I assume we had the requisite 13.
My arguments are based on that assumption. Clearly if we didn't have 13, then we should have the right to reschedule and the Rennes should forfeit if the game isn't replayed
In that scenario Vitesse would have no case against us, just UEFA and Rennes

It’s taken a long time for a lot of people to consider that hypothesis

 

[ShelfWatcher]

I just don’t get why we’re being so supportive of other teams case instead of our own.
Take us out of the argument and I might see it. But to suggest another club should benefit at our expense- no

that’s just weird.

Oh, and in the home game against vitesse their fans were causing hell in the away end FYI. Everyone at the game saw it, and those in the north lower had to put up with it. Neanderthals

You think it's weird, I think it's an example of British fair play that I was brought up with
Re the hooligans, naturally I condemn them as I did in the 80s, 70s etc, indeed throughout my spurs supporting life.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Going by the rules yes, if we went under 13 we should have, but I don't think we ever announced how many so it's hard to tell.

Agreed, we'll find out when the decision is made. Here's my guess, we had 13 A listers available

 

[Yid-ol]

Well, if we did go under the 13 and UEFA accepted that, the game would have been postponed
The game wasn't postponed so I assume we had the requisite 13.
My arguments are based on that assumption. Clearly if we didn't have 13, then we should have the right to reschedule and the Rennes should forfeit if the game isn't replayed
In that scenario Vitesse would have no case against us, just UEFA and Rennes

Also UEFA were looking to get it rearranged going by this

A UEFA statement read: “Following a COVID-19 outbreak in the team of Tottenham Hotspur FC ahead of the UEFA Europa Conference League group stage match against Stade Rennais FC, scheduled to take place on 9 December 2021 in London, the match could not take place.

“In accordance with Annex J of the UEFA Europa Conference League regulations, UEFA, in cooperation with the two clubs tried to find a viable solution in order to reschedule the match, so as to ensure the group stage could be completed accordingly.

“Unfortunately, despite all efforts, a solution that could work for both clubs could not be found.

So going by the rules they were looking to rearrange as it was postponed and not canceled at that time

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Also UEFA were looking to get it rearranged going by this



So going by the rules they were looking to rearrange as it was postponed and not canceled at that time

I don't think UEFA ever mentioned the magic word postponed. Had they done so, it would have pointed to us not having 13
My reading is that UEFA recognized that Covid was taking the situation out of the realms of normal injuries, illnesses and suspensions. Therefore they were trying to be flexible and doing right by us and the spirit of the competition, and not simply saying 13 and out
They also would be aware Spurs would be able to argue the rules shouldn't apply in such exceptional circumstances

 

[mr ashley]

Agreed, we'll find out when the decision is made. Here's my guess, we had 13 A listers available

No need for a spoiler alert on that.
You’ve been very clear that you think we are the bad guys in this.
im not so sure that anyone is btw

 

[mpickard2087]

The next round is not until Feb - if there is a will then a date in Jan can comfortably be found. Don’t give me a load of rubbish about fulfilling the fixture before 31/12 - that’s just for transfer reasons and there is a simple way around that - only players eligible for the original fixture can play.

The fairest outcome here is to fulfil the fixture

Yeah I've been thinking exactly the same the last few days, and not sure why it is so hard to work something out.

Unless I'm totally fucking up my calculations, then looking at our fixture list we'll have between 0 and 3 midweek slots available in January. If we win (or lose...) against Morecambe that's one midweek we free up due to no replay. Don't beat West Ham in the League Cup next week and that's another two freed up also. (EDIT: And there is also another free midweek designated for the PL winter break, we could put on the fixture).

Rennes as far as I can see could be back in domestic action 2nd/3rd January in the French Cup, so no elongated winter break, and then have no midweek fixtures all January. So I don't see where this would cause them any issues.

As you say I don't know why UEFA haven't just granted an extension to like the end of January to sort out a fixture date and then if that still wasn't possible due to our cup exploits they'd have to make a decision - quite probably against us but we'd have to see. But for now there is scope for flexibility (which I thought all teams and leagues had recognised during covid times) and to kick the can down the road a bit to get the game played, I don't see why it hasn't been taken.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

No need for a spoiler alert on that.
You’ve been very clear that you think we are the bad guys in this.
im not so sure that anyone is btw

I don't think we are the bad guys, indeed I've specifically stated we did nothing wrong, it was just exceptional circumstances
Now you have twisted my words, plus called my views on this weird.
Fair enough, that's your right. But I don't want to get involved in a slanging match so I'll leave our debate at that, and say no more

 

[mr ashley]

I don't think we are the bad guys, indeed I've specifically stated we did nothing wrong, it was just exceptional circumstances
Now you have twisted my words, plus called my views on this weird.
Fair enough, that's your right. But I don't want to get involved in a slanging match so I'll leave our debate at that, and say no more

I’m not looking to call you individually here, you know.
Having read through several pages of people saying they believe we should step aside on vitesse behalf, I find all those views strange (simply because the outcome is detrimental to ourselves).

You’re just the person who posted at a time when I could reply. Don’t take it personally

 

[ShelfWatcher]

I’m not looking to call you individually here, you know.
Having read through several pages of people saying they believe we should step aside on vitesse behalf, I find all those views strange (simply because the outcome is detrimental to ourselves).

You’re just the person who posted at a time when I could reply. Don’t take it personally

Okay, fair enough, I accept that with good grace ?

 

[spursfan77]

Maybe they are just hoping it will all be forgotten. Seems very strange that a decision hasn’t been made.
Mind you, I’ve just looked up the board who makes the decision and it’s made up of 16 bureaucrats, so it’s going to take a while for the fat cats to all make a decision. No French or Dutch representatives are on it and the English representative is a spammer!

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[Delboy75]

Chairman has been in place 20 years so obviously must be pretty influential. He’s Austrian, hopefully some connections with Rapid who I’m sure would rather a lucrative glamour tie Vs us than Vitesse

 

[paulcumpstone]

Personally be surprised if we were just kicked out, whilst i really couldnt care less about this competition for uefa it sets a bad precedent. What happens if say one of the CL teams gets struck down with covid on the eve of the quarters or semi's. Are they just going to say tough your out now. The other team wouldnt go out of their way to find an alternate date and with clubs now starting to having to pospone games wont be many free dates.

 

[VegasII]

Liverpool return to the champions league final…then the squad is struck down by COVID. The t-shirt campaign would be off the scale, la, off the scale.

 

[dvdhopeful]

I've seen a lot of comments regarding the 13 man rule but considering the squad was pretty ravaged by Covid, was it safe for any our players to take part?

If roles were reversed, would Spurs want to play a fixture if the other club had such serious Covid issues? We did Rennes a favour imo.

 

[sbrustad]

I can’t decide what I think is right, or why. However, the silver lining if we’re handed a loss, is that it’ll free up some Thursdays from an already very busy schedule to play our other postponed games.

 

[bubble07]

Although the rules do give an arbitrary number I think the issue was the outbreak was at its peak 1 to 2 days prior to the match

If the outbreak was contained and we had 8 players out I see no reason why spurs wouldn't want to play. But try writing that in the rule book...