Match Threads Spurs vs Olympiacos - Match Thread

[yankspurs]

Agreed fully. Winks were losing the ball or passing them to opposing players putting our defence under constant pressure. Sanchez saved his ass with a brilliant piece of one to one defending. Our attackers looked ineffective because dier and winks could not compete against the opposition and they stopped us playing forward.
Winks was our worst player on the field for at least the first 29 minutes.

He wasnt much better for the remaining 61’ either. Should be dropped.

 

[Eric_s]

If you can't understand the importance of "winning the ball back" in modern football then you are irrelevant.

If you can't see that in the first half the only Spurs player actually doing that was Winks then you are irrelevant.

Does that mean I think Winks should start for us? No. Does it mean I think he's the bollocks? No.

What it means is that he did something no other Spurs player was doing in that first half. Which is why he stayed on the pitch. The entire game.

Jose agrees with me. You don't. Guess how much I care for your opinion?

Try a little of the humble juice Jose's been drinking hey?

There is no point in winning the ball back and giving it straight back to the opposition. We can see him winning the balls and then losing them through poor passing or losing control.

 

[TottTommy]

I'm sorry... What?

What "tactical nous" exactly has "got us through" these early tough opponents in West Ham in relegation form and Olympiakos - in dire recent league form and who have only taken points from us so far in CL?

We are playing the exact same formation and tactics as we have under Poch. The only change Mourinho has made is starting Moura and Dier consistently. And he hooked both before 60 minutes.

I mean this as no criticism of Mourinho but the fact is he's changed almost nothing. If anything he's taken us BACK to our comfort zone of 2 years ago and that failed when Olympiakos went through Dier and WInks like hot knife through butter.

I don't blame Mou for this - he's gone back to what made us so successfull when he played against us - but to pretend he's performed some sort of tactical magery is simple nonsense. It's projection. We have performed no better - yet - under Mourinho than we did under Poch. Let's stop talking shit hey?

Hopefully Mourinho has learned that what we had in 2016-18 no longer applies and changes things accordingly. There is ZERO evidence to suggest that's happened so far. In fact the first half tonight was a massive backward step. Which is fine. He has to know what doesn't work to know what does.

But let's stop this "he's working miracles" bullshit meme in its tracks. It's not true; it doesn't help anyone least of all the team. We need change. We need him to change it. Otherwise what's the point?

"What "tactical nous" exactly"

In five and a half years Poch (aside from injury or red card) had never made a tactical substitution in less time.

Jose did this in his first week.

You also talk about the "relegation form" of West Ham who have over the last twenty five Premier League games had better form than we do.

You really do need to look at the facts.


Maybe "working miracles" is a bit far fetched i will give you that, but we are scoring plenty of goals again, and all along i suspect that Jose really knew the root cause of our problems, a defence that rates among the poorest over the past year or so.

Something that he will no doubt fix.

 

[yankspurs]

There is no point in winning the ball back and giving it straight back to the opposition. We can see him winning the balls and then losing them through poor passing or losing control.

The ball boy had more of a positive impact on the game in 1 second than Winks had in 97’ of play. He was very poor.

 

[TropicalYid]

So happy to be through the group stages.

Terrible start.
Good second half.

Really pleased to see Jose do something when we are 2-0 down and that it paid of

 

[DenverSpur]

3 points and through to the knockout stages that’s the most important thing

But our defence needs to be sorted out. As I said before no matter the manager we need to buy a RB, LB, DM and possibly CB

Alli and Kane getting into some seriously good form which is nice and Eriksen played much better today and helped us turn this around

Now onto Bournemouth on Saturday COYS

It’s true our defense needs some work but part of the reason for their fragility is the lack of cover in front of them. The FBs are too often left exposed 2 against one and the midfield 2 too often fail to act as a effect screen in front of the back four - their first goal tonight is a good example of this. Dier was too slow getting back in position and Winks made a half hearted attempt at a tackle.

 

[Ben1]

'Hes only beaten West Ham and Olympiakos' seems a popular line at the moment.

If only it were that simple we might have got results against 'only Colchester, Brighton, Newcastle and Watford'.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I'm sorry... What?

What "tactical nous" exactly has "got us through" these early tough opponents in West Ham in relegation form and Olympiakos - in dire recent league form and who have only taken points from us so far in CL?

We are playing the exact same formation and tactics as we have under Poch. The only change Mourinho has made is starting Moura and Dier consistently. And he hooked both before 60 minutes.

I mean this as no criticism of Mourinho but the fact is he's changed almost nothing. If anything he's taken us BACK to our comfort zone of 2 years ago and that failed when Olympiakos went through Dier and WInks like hot knife through butter.

I don't blame Mou for this - he's gone back to what made us so successfull when he played against us - but to pretend he's performed some sort of tactical magery is simple nonsense. It's projection. We have performed no better - yet - under Mourinho than we did under Poch. Let's stop talking shit hey?

Hopefully Mourinho has learned that what we had in 2016-18 no longer applies and changes things accordingly. There is ZERO evidence to suggest that's happened so far. In fact the first half tonight was a massive backward step. Which is fine. He has to know what doesn't work to know what does.

But let's stop this "he's working miracles" bullshit meme in its tracks. It's not true; it doesn't help anyone least of all the team. We need change. We need him to change it. Otherwise what's the point?

Don’t be so supercilious. Or angry. Or whatever. He changed the set up by bringing Eriksen on after 30 mins and that changed the landscape of the game. Eriksen has been awful lately but he came on and it made a difference. Tactical nous doesn’t mean reinventing the wheel, it means figuring out what works best, for the situation you’re in, with the players you’ve got

 

[Haddock]

It's really either / or with this Spurs team right now. Either we're playing with energy, urgency and flair, or we look disorganised and clueless.

You could see Mourinho telling the players to "Calm down" repeatedly in the first 30 minutes. The players starts to panic and that's the problem.

It's a confidence thing really and hopefully it will kick on from here.

 

[Twizzle]

I dont think Winks is a bad player, he's just not as good as Ndomble so I dont get why Jose doesn't start him, unless he is just still feeling his way and getting to know our players

Easy for us, we watch this rabble every game but Jose has only just come on board, maybe he needs to start watching a few replays

 

[allatsea]

So happy to be through the group stages.

Terrible start.
Good second half.

Really pleased to see Jose do something when we are 2-0 down and that it paid of

Wasn’t able to see any of the match so can someone help by explaining what Maureen’s thinking was in replacing Dier with Eriksen ? Was it jus to help us retain the ball and then be more attacking or something else ? On the face of it it seems a strange sub to make.

 

[Twizzle]

and another thing

well done to Jose for realizing that his line up wasn't working and made a very early change

Poch would have persevered to the 80 minute mark, and I'm not bagging Poch cuz I like the guy, just highlighting the difference between the 2 managers

 

[Bilko]

Must agree with phonesy that Mouhrino is using Poch tactics from the past- wish people wouldn't jump on the Maureen band wagon.
Will say though that Maureen is an experienced professional and we couldn't have done better under the circumstances
Little worried for Foyth and Lo Celso who are or will be great players ,but were Poch' s future -let's hope Maureen can work it all out-I guess if anyone can.....

 

[Gb160]

Interesting that Jose put his hands up and mentioned maybe he should've rotated more due to tiredness, with that in mind I think we'll see some changes at the weekend.

 

[Gb160]

Jesus will you melons stop calling him Maureen? its terrible.

 

[Primativ]

I'm sorry... What?

What "tactical nous" exactly has "got us through" these early tough opponents in West Ham in relegation form and Olympiakos - in dire recent league form and who have only taken points from us so far in CL?

We are playing the exact same formation and tactics as we have under Poch. The only change Mourinho has made is starting Moura and Dier consistently. And he hooked both before 60 minutes.

I mean this as no criticism of Mourinho but the fact is he's changed almost nothing. If anything he's taken us BACK to our comfort zone of 2 years ago and that failed when Olympiakos went through Dier and WInks like hot knife through butter.

I don't blame Mou for this - he's gone back to what made us so successfull when he played against us - but to pretend he's performed some sort of tactical magery is simple nonsense. It's projection. We have performed no better - yet - under Mourinho than we did under Poch. Let's stop talking shit hey?

Hopefully Mourinho has learned that what we had in 2016-18 no longer applies and changes things accordingly. There is ZERO evidence to suggest that's happened so far. In fact the first half tonight was a massive backward step. Which is fine. He has to know what doesn't work to know what does.

But let's stop this "he's working miracles" bullshit meme in its tracks. It's not true; it doesn't help anyone least of all the team. We need change. We need him to change it. Otherwise what's the point?

 

[Gbspurs]

Football was the winner.

Football and @Primativ

 

[ohh_when_the_spurs]

One thing that is night and day between Jose and Poch is the amount of crosses we get into the box now and quickly also.

Under Poch we would get into a crossing position and cut it back, pass back to the centre backs and slowly move the ball over to the opposite side leaving the whole 11 opponents to set up a wall.

Under Jose we are far more direct and quick at moving forward and getting the ball in the box early.

I like it

 

[Primativ]

Must agree with phonesy that Mouhrino is using Poch tactics from the past- wish people wouldn't jump on the Maureen band wagon.
Will say though that Maureen is an experienced professional and we couldn't have done better under the circumstances
Little worried for Foyth and Lo Celso who are or will be great players ,but were Poch' s future -let's hope Maureen can work it all out-I guess if anyone can.....

Jump on the band wagon? We just watched a spurs manager make a tactical tweak after twenty minutes to win us the game. Our attackers are a joy to watch again. We look a totally different team now despite the defensive vulnerability still

Under Poch we would have lost that all day long. We would have gone two nil down and never recovered. He would have waited till the 80th minute to make a change.

It’s early days but mourinho deserves a lot of credit for his early impact, even if some of it has been simple tweaks and an arm around the shoulder.

 

[Gb160]

One thing that is night and day between Jose and Poch is the amount of crosses we get into the box now and quickly also.

Under Poch we would get into a crossing position and cut it back, pass back to the centre backs and slowly move the ball over to the opposite side leaving the whole 11 opponents to set up a wall.

Under Jose we are far more direct and quick at moving forward and getting the ball in the box early.

I like it

Yep, Its a damn sight more entertaining and exciting to watch.