Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread

[shelfboy68]

For what it’s worth
Newcastle were well organised and we lacked creativity to break them down - this is even more of a problem when we concede soft early goal
Without Eriksen we lack creativity badly
Winks is a neat tidy continuity player but lacks a USP - no real pace, incisive passing etc - he is not a holding midfield player- we are defensively exposed with him in that role - we really miss the security he provides for defence particularly as our full backs push so far up the field
KWP is not good enough - defensively weak - lacks height and physical presence- reluctant to attempt to take on defenders
Danny Rose crossing is poor
Lamela works really hard but does not deliver ball quickly enough
Son and Moura really struggle when lack of space due to packed defence
All a bit depressing today

All too familiar story mate same old problems and little or no solutions getting a bit tiresome that old excuse.

 

[Mighty Spurs]

Absolutely poor from the team today. Winks supposed to be our playmaker, amd never created any chances, Eriksen on a bad day would have played better than that, Sanchez poor defending cuased them to score. Poch ahs quite alot to answer too, bloody diamond again, that never seems to work for us.

 

[montylynch]

We knew exactly how Newcastle would line up, we've had teams do it to us for what 4-5 years now, 10 behind the ball and time wasting. Why aren't the players being drilled on how to play these games, if he's a world class coach he should have the answer. Should have gone old school and stuck Toby as centre for

I'm more confident these days against the big teams than I am against the smaller ones.

 

[Typical Spurs]

Our form is so bad from the back end of last season to this. The Champions League run papered over things somewhat. By the way, reaching the final was an unbelievable achievement. But even then against Ajax in the home leg and 1st half of the away leg we were atrocious.

I love Poch. I really do. But he's not a football managing god. In fact tactically he's weak. And he needs to get a fucking grip of himself and our play because he's the one who sets the team up. He also isn't the be all and end all for Tottenham Hotspur.

By the way, nobody moaning is knee-jearking. We've been ordinary at best for months now, have an amazing stadium with extortionate ticket prices and have won nothing since 2008. It is absolutely crucial we start playing how I know this team can play. Starting against those scum bags next weekend.

 

[stormfly]

Just back from the game and I’m not even angry, just sad. We were awful and I spent my money on it. Absolutely no idea what direction we are heading atm.

 

[Monkey boy]

Our form is so bad from the back end of last season to this. The Champions League run papered over things somewhat. By the way, reaching the final was an unbelievable achievement. But even then against Ajax in the home leg and 1st half of the away leg we were atrocious.

I love Poch. I really do. But he's not a football managing god. In fact tactically he's weak. And he needs to get a fucking grip of himself and our play because he's the one who sets the team up. He also isn't the be all and end all for Tottenham Hotspur.

By the way, nobody moaning is knee-jearking. We've been ordinary at best for months now, have an amazing stadium with extortionate ticket prices and have won nothing since 2008. It is absolutely crucial we start playing how I know this team can play. Starting against those scum bags next weekend.

Your username is more apt than ever right now

 

[TheRevolution]

What has happened to Sissoko? Was last season a blip?

He was good last season but still had glaring weaknesses. I think that smart teams know how to get at the Winks-Sissoko pivot. The most glaring last season is when Wolves ripped through us in the 3-1 home loss. Burnley, Ajax and loads of other teams smashed that midfield duo aswell last season.

 

[shelfboy68]

Just back from the game and I’m not even angry, just sad. We were awful and I spent my money on it. Absolutely no idea what direction we are heading atm.

Nor does the coach

 

[bozzaSPUR]

What?

Well yeah, shouldn’t leave Eriksen out but that’s the situation.

Even then, losing at home to fucking Newcastle. Should be able to leave plenty out and get some form of result.

As I say, our own doing. We’ve gone from being just infront of Liverpool to being 30 points a season behind them within 18 months

With virtually the same squad. Yes we have had injuries but apart from Walker and Moussa nothing much has changed personnel wise. Tactically a lot has changed. When we played ‘exciting’ football we created many chances due to our pressing. We rarely do that now. You only have to look at Man City and Liverpool to see the effects of successful pressing all over the pitch. Neither have we found a way to overcome teams who park the bus. That is down to the manager/ coach. Poch needs to evolve; as teams adapt (successfully) to the way we play and as a consequence negate our tactics Poch needs to continually tweak his tactics, if he is that good a coach. Prepared to give him benefit of the doubt so far but has he been ‘found out’? The one strength early on in his Spurs days was his affinity with the players; the management and players seemed to share the same belief-I’m not that sure that they do now. Do the players think that they are better than they are? Possibly. A lot of praise has been heaped on them in the last few years and to a certain extent with good reason. And the same with Poch. Does he think he is better than he is? Possibly. As far as I am aware nobody has mentioned this but after the dramatic win in the CL semi Harry ran on and ruffled Poch’s hair in celebration - Poch was not happy. A very small point but at that moment of incredible celebration Poch seemed wrapped up in his own world not instantaneously celebrating with the team. It’s just that I can’t imagine Klopp or Pep reacting in that way. I don’t think Poch has same affinity with the squad that he had. Has he become a little arrogant -possibly. Whatever conspiracy theory you choose to believe though something is not quite right at the moment.

 

[dagraham]

Next week will be a completely different game, we only suffer like this when teams play this way against us and there's no way Arsenal are turning up like that.

That is very true, and if it was only our complete lack of ideas against a team sat deep I wouldn’t be as concerned.

As it is I’m just as concerned about our ability in the last year to actually defend properly.

 

[stevenurse]

Against newcastle you wouldn't need Winks in there. They were always going to sit deep, and as much as I like Winks. In games like these he's so ineffective. He offers nothing going forward, and bar a couple of breaks, neither did they. We just couldn't break them down because the tempo is so slow.

We all see the training videos of them doing a 'rondo' and it looks great. Get it in a game and they spend the first 20 mins going side to side all the time. When we did we last take the lead in the first 10 mins? How many times have we conceded first in the last 2 years? How many times have we be trailing at HT?

Surely if us knuckledraggers can see it, these experts can? Poch needs to pull his finger out. Sort it out ASAP or fuck off. We can't have the club constantly in a state of pantomime

 

[stevenurse]

That is very true, and if it was only our complete lack of ideas against a team sat deep I wouldn’t be as concerned.

As it is I’m just as concerned about our ability in the last year to actually defend properly.

That'll happen when you break up the best defensive pairing in the last 5 years. Especially for someone who has a LOT to learn still

 

[bozzaSPUR]

Against newcastle you wouldn't need Winks in there. They were always going to sit deep, and as much as I like Winks. In games like these he's so ineffective. He offers nothing going forward, and bar a couple of breaks, neither did they. We just couldn't break them down because the tempo is so slow.

We all see the training videos of them doing a 'rondo' and it looks great. Get it in a game and they spend the first 20 mins going side to side all the time. When we did we last take the lead in the first 10 mins? How many times have we conceded first in the last 2 years? How many times have we be trailing at HT?

Surely if us knuckledraggers can see it, these experts can? Poch needs to pull his finger out. Sort it out ASAP or fuck off. We can't have the club constantly in a state of pantomime

Who would you replace Winks with at the moment? Eriksen possibly. Lo Celso probably. No problems there then lol.

 

[lukadownthelane]

I really don’t think we finish top 4 this season and the worst part is I don’t think that’s the worst part of it. Don’t see the manager and a number of our better players there next season.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Our form is so bad from the back end of last season to this. The Champions League run papered over things somewhat. By the way, reaching the final was an unbelievable achievement. But even then against Ajax in the home leg and 1st half of the away leg we were atrocious.

I love Poch. I really do. But he's not a football managing god. In fact tactically he's weak. And he needs to get a fucking grip of himself and our play because he's the one who sets the team up. He also isn't the be all and end all for Tottenham Hotspur.

By the way, nobody moaning is knee-jearking. We've been ordinary at best for months now, have an amazing stadium with extortionate ticket prices and have won nothing since 2008. It is absolutely crucial we start playing how I know this team can play. Starting against those scum bags next weekend.

I can't help but agree with all of this. Our actual play over the past season, for the most part, has dropped off the cliff edge, sure there are times when we look bloody good, but those times are becoming far fewer - last week we were played off the park and it wasn't just a case of how good city was - we were bloody awful. A couple of seasons ago we would have given them a bloody good game and deserved that point.

How is it that when we come up against a team like Newcastle, knowing full bloody well we are going to have to break down a team that play with so many behind the ball that we end up playing a diamond that is far too narrow. We are so predictable and so one dimensional. I have felt for a while now that Poch isn't everything we all think he is.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

We couldn't do it in Madrid, and we couldn't do it today. The way to beat us is to put nine men on the edge of your box and to run like fuck on the break. (It helps if Sanchez doesn't bother to check where the striker is.) We have to learn how to beat teams who do this, and we have to learn it in a hurry.

City face this all the time. They drag play one way, then quickly switch it. A ball is played inside the full back and the overlapping player hits a first-time low ball across the six yard box for a tap in. We have the players who can do this, but we don't. Why not? City players are coached how to do it and ours, clearly, are not.

That is the problem. Not that we don’t have the players because we do but they are being coached a different s... way

 

[nailsy]

Sounds like they just want to pass the buck to the guys in the VAR room instead of taking more responsibility on debatable decisions on the pitch.

I think it makes sense. They trust linesmen to make the right call, so why not trust another ref to get the decision right when they've got video evidence?

Saying that we should've had a penalty today.

 

[markiespurs]

Just back from the game and totally pissed off with the result and performance.

For around 3 years now we’ve had to put up with results like this, it’s the same old boring story time after time.

Opposition turn up well organised and determined to defend. We huff and puff have the overwhelming majority of possession , but fail to break them down, barely getting in behind the defence all game.

Do we try and up the tempo - no, instead we continue to build and move the ball slowly usuallyfromside to side or backwards, giving the opposition plenty of time to reorganise.

Does Poch try a plan b or C, No, as per usual we try to play the ball through a congested center, where as usual instead of taking a shot from distance and testing the keeper, we try to thread the ball through the eye of a needle.

All too predictable, as is the outcome.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

I think it makes sense. They trust linesmen to make the right call, so why what trust another ref to get the decision right when they've got video evidence?

Saying that we should've had a penalty today.

Good job I’m from Grimsby, won 5-2 yesterday against Port Vale!

 

[Mark_147]

Who would you replace Winks with at the moment? Eriksen possibly. Lo Celso probably. No problems there then lol.

How about dier alongside ndombele