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Match Threads Spurs vs Man Utd - Match Thread - Day 31

Match Prediction

  • A Spurs Win

    Votes: 40 18.7%
  • A spurs Defeat

    Votes: 142 66.4%
  • Score Draw (coming from behind)

    Votes: 10 4.7%
  • Score Draw (after leading)

    Votes: 22 10.3%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    214

stormfly

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Dec 6, 2006
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Who is your right manager then? There were a lot of arguements that this one was right.
Unfortunately no one was going to be the right manager after Poch because the fans and media loved him so much. It’s like Fergie syndrome but without us dominating football for a generation.
 

bozzaSPUR

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Aug 31, 2012
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Spurs have brought me so much joy in my 40 years as a fan. But for the first time I'm almost without any emotion when watching us. I've gone to all sorts of lengths to make sure that I'm able to watch games no matter where I am in the world, yet now I can barely be bothered.

I'm not saying it's just mourinho, I'm sure it's many things, but it has got a lot worse since ge became manager.

I dont like him, never wanted him and now cannot wait for him to leave.

I need to get the emotional attachment back again and under Jose that just isn't going to happen.
For me it's 60 years but I empathise with every single one of your points; although despite not liking him and not wanting him, I suppose I did harbour some optimism that being a 'serial winner' he would bring us success this season, coupled with the fact that I (mistakenly) thought that we had made some good signings in the summer. What I didn't expect was the abysmal lack of effort by our players, the shambolic defending and the seemingly lack of any tactical nous from one of the supposed master tacticians.
People on here espouse brilliant knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes, tactical acumen that they would use and expert psychological profiling to explain our squad's lack of togetherness - when in reality they know nothing. Nothing.
Nobody apart from Levy, Mourinho and his staff and the players know what goes on. Supposed 'leaks' and journalists that claim to have 'insider knowledge' feed the fan's frenzy for change but what I find is in short supply, is the answer to the question that do fans really think that Levy appoints a world class coach and then that coach sets up teams or makes certain substitutions because they want Spurs to do badly? Levy's legacy will be determined not only by the fact that we have (probably) the best training facility and ground in the world but by the team's consistent success. He didn't appoint Mourinho or bring back Bale because he had a burning desire to be seen as a failure (and for all the Levy haters who love to laud their theories of frugalism on Levy's behalf, explain how the combined cost of hiring Mourinho and Bale supports your theory) and Mourinho doesn't wake up in the morning determined to throw away all that he has worked for, just on a whim of dreaming up bizarre tactics/team selection/substitutions that will all but guarantee failure.
Equally, players don't try to play badly (difficult to believe I know) but something is wrong and has been for a while now. Not enough credit is given to the opposition when we lose and all the blame, sometimes mistakenly is laid at the club's door but what fans expect and deserve is a commitment to the club that manifests itself as 100% effort on the pitch. If we lose, we lose because the opposition is better not because we lack courage, desire and skill. Opposition defences can dominate forwards - it happens but repeated and glaring errors by defensive players is unacceptable. The reasons for our present situation are varied and complex but the tactics don't seem to be right for the players we have and some of the players are not good enough. The sad thing is that as a result of this downturn in our fortunes, we are likely to lose one of the most gifted strikers that the club has ever had and Levy will be totally aware of this. I think I know why Levy hired Mourinho; he genuinely believed that he would bring us success. The stadium and training facilities were not built to support a mid-table team. I firmly believe or at least hope that he can also see that that appointment and the squad will not deliver his vision of success. We have to believe that he will act to resolve the present situation - perhaps not immediately but certainly at the end of the season. Audere est facere!
 

Barrd10

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Aug 25, 2013
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Who is your right manager then? There were a lot of arguements that this one was right.
I don’t know. I have never like Jose’s football. He has so much experience but to me he has learnt all the negative things about football. From time wasting, diving and negative tactics. I love football but hate these things.
 

UbeAstard

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May 31, 2005
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I just want us to try and play football for the whole game. Not nick a goal and try not to lose.

I dont think it was a matter of nick a goal and try not to lose. When Utd were on top of us 2nd half it needed a manager that recognised why they were on top and made decisions to readress the balance.
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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It’s weird. I didn’t even think we were that bad - certainly much better than last weekend. Our defence were just always gonna give up chances. It’s just the way it is right now. I really don’t think it would be different no matter who’s in charge.

Wow, a voice of reason. This forum is toxic right now.

Man Utd were pretty good today especially at the back, oh the irony.
 

dbspurs

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Sep 21, 2005
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Unfortunately no one was going to be the right manager after Poch because the fans and media loved him so much. It’s like Fergie syndrome but without us dominating football for a generation.

Unfortunately Levy still thought the squad was of sufficient quality (despite Poch saying we needed a rebuild) and just needed a winner to push us over the trophy line.

He was so fucking wrong and here we are nearly 2 wasted years later still needing a new coach who can begin the rebuild

If Levy picks the wrong man again then I think he needs to step aside because on the football side we are going nowhere if he's involved.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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It’s weird. I didn’t even think we were that bad - certainly much better than last weekend. Our defence were just always gonna give up chances. It’s just the way it is right now. I really don’t think it would be different no matter who’s in charge.
I agree, we weren't awful or anything like it we were just clearly second best. United were just better than us.
 

mumfordspur

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Sep 10, 2020
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Wow, a voice of reason. This forum is toxic right now.

Man Utd were pretty good today especially at the back, oh the irony.
Well what do you expect I was looking at the teams in the hunt for 3rd & 4th and we are not in the mix but W Ham are.
 

gerishep

Connected to the Spurs.
Aug 2, 2004
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Unfortunately Levy still thought the squad was of sufficient quality (despite Poch saying we needed a rebuild) and just needed a winner to push us over the trophy line.

He was so fucking wrong and here we are nearly 2 wasted years later still needing a new coach who can begin the rebuild

If Levy picks the wrong man again then I think he needs to step aside because on the football side we are going nowhere if he's involved.
It's always 2 wasted years later.
 

BuryMeInEngland

Polish that cock lads
May 24, 2012
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yes Levy was lured by his profile and his ability to build the club‘s brand globally and generate more revenue. Regardless of results we’ve benefited from that off the pitch.
Our global brand at the moment is people laughing at us and basically saying either
a) We are shit
Or
b) Jose is failing at tottenham, he's past it, etc.
 

UbeAstard

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May 31, 2005
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I don’t know. I have never like Jose’s football. He has so much experience but to me he has learnt all the negative things about football. From time wasting, diving and negative tactics. I love football but hate these things.

Well I agree with you, I didnt like the appointment but once done I had to reluctantly get on board. I think Levy's damned if he does he damned if he doesnt. There where fans who wanted this manager and unless Levy appoints a manager who makes a success st Spurs with trophies (which isnt easy) there will always be those who limit their view to point the finger at him.
 

Dannyspur

I just don't know anymore!
Aug 17, 2004
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Jose's tactics only work if Abramovich owns the club and buys you the best defenders and goalkeeper in the world.
 

Stamford

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Sep 15, 2015
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It’s weird. I didn’t even think we were that bad - certainly much better than last weekend. Our defence were just always gonna give up chances. It’s just the way it is right now. I really don’t think it would be different no matter who’s in charge.

that's my biggest worry
 

austinfh

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Aug 9, 2016
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that's my biggest worry
We played well in the first half because we kept the ball and pressed Utd high. In the second half we ceded possession and tried to protect the lead. As always, it just invited pressure onto us and inevitably we conceded
 

walworthyid

David Ginola
Oct 25, 2004
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Do people genuinely think if Poch stayed or a different manager was in charge that this squad would be doing better?
I'm assuming yes, based on the Jose hate but intrigued. Genuine question.
I think that the manager has a huge influence on the squad. I think that Jose sets us up in a way that doesn't suit our squad, that hands the opposition the initiative, that alienates players.

I think that while we clearly have weaknesses in the squad, Jose makes those weaknesses more apparent.

I think that the longer he stays the worse it will get.

I think that the players don't enjoy or buy into his tactics.

I think that he is a toxic presence in our club and that unless we get him out and a better character in that we will be in a huge mess that will take a decade to get out of.

Lastly, I think that there is a fundamental disconnect between him and the soul of our club. There is no emotional connection there and it is hurting us all.

He needs to go immediately.
 
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