Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea

[rossdapep]

Very true, a fully backed Poch at that time may well have succeeded! When we signed Sanchez for £40M and already had Toby and Jan at the top of their games, I thought we might be going places. Then we never signed any backup for Kane etc and knew we were the same old Spurs, winging it and never fully committing in the transfer market.

A 31-year-old Fernando Llorente.
A relegated and technically limited Moussa Sissoko.
An unwanted and problematic Serge Aurier.
The potentially promising but technically miles off PL standard duo of Clinton N'Jie and Georges Nkoudou.
A goalkeeper who hadn't amounted to anything at a team much lower than us (Paulo Gazzanigga)

Every one of these signings were third, fourth or even fifth rate selections to what the club should have been targetting. Cheaper or easier to get done because the club tried to just 'get by'.

I guarantee if we'd have pushed the boat out and instead of signing Sissoko at 30m but another target at 45m, we wouldn't have suffered as much. Instead of spending 18m on Janssen but 40m on a more prove CF, again we wouldn't have slumped.

The half measures Levy and co took have led us to where we are now and these punishments against Chelsea, United and Liverpool are now regularly handing to us.

Its a massive shame. And Levy and co should be nowhere near the club in helping us recover.

Every single defeat leads me back to this thought. And it's infuriating.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Very true, a fully backed Poch at that time may well have succeeded! When we signed Sanchez for £40M and already had Toby and Jan at the top of their games, I thought we might be going places. Then we never signed any backup for Kane etc and knew we were the same old Spurs, winging it and never fully committing in the transfer market.

We spent 100m on 3 players Poch wanted in the last window he was here.
Tanguy, Lo Celso and Sessegnon.
Poch is not that good a judge of players. He is now at a club where the players are bought irrespective of his views.
He has now been provided with a bunch of all stars who will win the french league but no chance in CL.

 

[rossdapep]

We spent 100m on 3 players Poch wanted in the last window he was here.
Tanguy, Lo Celso and Sessegnon.
Poch is not that good a judge of players. He is now at a club where the players are bought irrespective of his views.
He has now been provided with a bunch of all stars who will win the french league but no chance in CL.

that's true and I have my concerns on his transfer targets.

However, he was laden with some really bad quality (Njie, Nkoudou, Janssen, Sissoko) and we do know he wanted Mane, Wijnaldum, Maguire, Perreira, Morata, Zaha, De Ligt and a few others with genuine quality.

The message was he wanted players out of our remit but he knew this club needed better quality.

2 or 3 quality signings and we don't need that big rebuild.

Here's another thought....

Imagine if Ndombele, Lo Celso and co hadn't joined a team on their way down. Imagine if we had signed quality players when we were at our peak. I don't think they'd be struggling as much. One of the big reasons they are struggling is because the team has no stability and they are probably trying to find it.

 

[JimmyG2]

Getting our Tottenham back
for half a game is better than no bread.
Game of two halves
but once again we couldn't
capitalise on possession
and good approach play
in the first half.
Lost momentum and Silva for the early corner
after the break,
whatever did Nuno say to them at half time.
Chelsea bossed it and are destined for top two.
they have too many points of attack
especially Kante.
Not a 3-0 defeat really
and we can build on this.

 

[TheTanguy]

Getting our Tottenham back
for half a game is better than no bread.
Game of two halves
but once again we couldn't
capitalise on possession
and good approach play
in the first half.
Lost momentum and Silva for the early corner
after the break,
whatever did Nuno say to them at half time.
Chelsea bossed it and are destined for top two.
they have too many points of attack
especially Kante.
Not a 3-0 defeat really
and we can build on this.

Two shots
On
Target
At home

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

Why does everyone keep saying a great half. We played well for the first 30 mins after that Chelsea came back in the game and dominated

 

[Barrd10]

Why does everyone keep saying a great half. We played well for the first 30 mins after that Chelsea came back in the game and dominated

Chelsea, at the moment, are in far better shape than us, so they won. It was close for a while but they scored from a set piece and a deflection. After that we gave up which is proper rubbish. We will be better over the next few weeks because there are signs of how we can play.

 

[FloridaSpur]

2 shots on target in 94 minutes of football? I beg to differ.

But this isn't unusual.

My concern is we are not scoring, creating chances, we concede midfield and are piss poor in defence.

I understand time is needed with a new coach, tactics and system but i would expect after almost two months to see an improvement in one of those key areas, i mean even in the EL we have been matched by sides with a player budget that wouldn't pay Harry's wages let alone their whole team.

Time is needed i know but lose to Wolves and God forbid Woolwich then what? In fact lose to Woolwich and they go past us from being opposite ends of the table in three weeks.

Levy just won't stand for that.

 

[worcestersauce]

Two shots
On
Target
At home

Yes that's what he said, couldn't capitalise on possession and good approach play. That's what we need to work on and improve.

 

[worcestersauce]

But this isn't unusual.

My concern is we are not scoring, creating chances, we concede midfield and are piss poor in defence.

I understand time is needed with a new coach, tactics and system but i would expect after almost two months to see an improvement in one of those key areas, i mean even in the EL we have been matched by sides with a player budget that wouldn't pay Harry's wages let alone their whole team.

Time is needed i know but lose to Wolves and God forbid Woolwich then what? In fact lose to Woolwich and they go past us from being opposite ends of the table in three weeks.

Levy just won't stand for that.

I disagree we are piss poor in defence.

 

[TheTanguy]

Yes that's what he said, couldn't capitalise on possession and good approach play. That's what we need to work on and improve.

Way too toothless though to claim we had 'our Tottenham back' for 45 mins.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Chelsea and Spurs are at different places, Chelsea have rebuilt and are at their peak we are just early days in our rebuild. The problem is that people moan we need a rebuild and then moan at the inevitable consequences of a rebuild, Chelsea looked like they knew what when and where to do whatever they'd trained to do and who would be there ready to take advantage of it whereas we are still getting to know ourselves but it will come, it will come.
Chelsea didn't look like scoring in the first half so Tuchel used his tactical brilliance and changed to a breathtaking new plan, it's called fuck it get Kante on quick. First goal came from a corner which is a shame but to be fair they had a few, the second was a wickedly fortunate deflection which deflated us just as a couple of players were running out of steam.
I was looking for positives which were,
The way we started.
Romero, never looked troubled, make no mistake he's quality.
Royal he's some player we've got on our hands too.
They couldn't get the better of Ndombele until he blew up, until then he looked like he was enjoying himself again.
A lot of good quality passing and work rate which will undoubtedly bring better results as we progress through this season and if we continue to bring in the calibre of new players I've seen today that might be the biggest positive of all.
I know some people are angry about the game today but I'm not, I'm not happy we lost but I saw more than the result today.

I want to believe but I cant see how we score at the moment.

it’s really dispiriting to play as well as we did in that first half yet never really look like scoring.
Hope it comes together

 

[Nads]

I wonder how much disruption Kane’s absence throughout pre-season had and if we’re seeing a bit of a knock-on effect. I thought we looked dangerous and organised going forward during the first two games and since he has been back we’ve looked all over the place. Could just be a coincidence.

 

[TonyK]

Chelsea and Spurs are at different places, Chelsea have rebuilt and are at their peak we are just early days in our rebuild. The problem is that people moan we need a rebuild and then moan at the inevitable consequences of a rebuild, Chelsea looked like they knew what when and where to do whatever they'd trained to do and who would be there ready to take advantage of it whereas we are still getting to know ourselves but it will come, it will come.
Chelsea didn't look like scoring in the first half so Tuchel used his tactical brilliance and changed to a breathtaking new plan, it's called fuck it get Kante on quick. First goal came from a corner which is a shame but to be fair they had a few, the second was a wickedly fortunate deflection which deflated us just as a couple of players were running out of steam.
I was looking for positives which were,
The way we started.
Romero, never looked troubled, make no mistake he's quality.
Royal he's some player we've got on our hands too.
They couldn't get the better of Ndombele until he blew up, until then he looked like he was enjoying himself again.
A lot of good quality passing and work rate which will undoubtedly bring better results as we progress through this season and if we continue to bring in the calibre of new players I've seen today that might be the biggest positive of all.
I know some people are angry about the game today but I'm not, I'm not happy we lost but I saw more than the result today.

For fucks sake mate, we are always rebuilding. And even when we get half rebuilt, we fucking stop building. And then need to start all over a-fucking-gain. That’s over 20 years under Levy now and 21 managers that have needed to rebuild. It’s fucking ridiculous. The buck stops with one man.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Getting our Tottenham back
for half a game is better than no bread.
Game of two halves
but once again we couldn't
capitalise on possession
and good approach play
in the first half.
Lost momentum and Silva for the early corner
after the break,
whatever did Nuno say to them at half time.
Chelsea bossed it and are destined for top two.
they have too many points of attack
especially Kante.
Not a 3-0 defeat really
and we can build on this.

Everyone on here, and I'm willing to bet in the stadium (and hopefully the team as well) were completely buoyed up after that first half. It was a great performance, but when they came back out it was a different team and they looked like they had lost their way , and the Chavs were the opposite. What the fuck happened in that dressing room to make such an incredible about face?

There's something wrong with that picture quite honestly.

And once again, one good half doesn't win games.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Everyone on here, and I'm willing to bet in the stadium (and hopefully the team as well) were completely buoyed up after that first half. It was a great performance, but when they came back out it was a different team and they looked like they had lost their way , and the Chavs were the opposite. What the fuck happened in that dressing room to make such an incredible about face?

There's something wrong with that picture quite honestly.

And once again, one good half doesn't win games.

maybe one of those now legendary Kane team talks ??

 

[rossdapep]

Everyone on here, and I'm willing to bet in the stadium (and hopefully the team as well) were completely buoyed up after that first half. It was a great performance, but when they came back out it was a different team and they looked like they had lost their way , and the Chavs were the opposite. What the fuck happened in that dressing room to make such an incredible about face?

There's something wrong with that picture quite honestly.

And once again, one good half doesn't win games.

Tuchel and Kante.

It allowed Chelsea to push onto us and be more aggressive. We couldn't adapt.

It's not always about attitude and desire.

Nuno probably told the team to be patient and keep doing what they were doing but Tuchel had aces up his sleeve.

Unfortunately we don't.

 

[hamsup_sotong]

I keep seeing posts confidently stating that Nuno should have expected Tuchel to make changes and anticipated them as a result. Can anyone tell me what Nuno should have done to counter the Kante substitution in the 2nd half?

drop back instead of pressing high like the city game. but with the full backs slightly higher. Would have swapped dele and ndombele position to track Alonso as he's more of a threat than azpi. And let kante have the ball while pressing the shit out of kovA and jorgingo ( while never getting a card when fouling , which is what they did all the time) and yes I play FM!!?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

A 31-year-old Fernando Llorente.
A relegated and technically limited Moussa Sissoko.
An unwanted and problematic Serge Aurier.
The potentially promising but technically miles off PL standard duo of Clinton N'Jie and Georges Nkoudou.
A goalkeeper who hadn't amounted to anything at a team much lower than us (Paulo Gazzanigga)

Every one of these signings were third, fourth or even fifth rate selections to what the club should have been targetting. Cheaper or easier to get done because the club tried to just 'get by'.

I guarantee if we'd have pushed the boat out and instead of signing Sissoko at 30m but another target at 45m, we wouldn't have suffered as much. Instead of spending 18m on Janssen but 40m on a more prove CF, again we wouldn't have slumped.

The half measures Levy and co took have led us to where we are now and these punishments against Chelsea, United and Liverpool are now regularly handing to us.

Its a massive shame. And Levy and co should be nowhere near the club in helping us recover.

Every single defeat leads me back to this thought. And it's infuriating.

Brilliant post. Cutting corners will catch up with you eventually.

 

[rossdapep]

We moved into the new stadium as we were supposed to take the next level.

We've played Chelsea 3 times at the new stadium.

Lost 0-2
Lost 0-1
Lost 0-3

We barely mustered chances in all of them, didn't even score and the first one was against Lampard.

Embarassing