wingvaldsen
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Sissoko - Central Midfield Powerhouse or Strong Wideman?
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pablo73
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I think what a lot of posters with a narrow creativity and reading capability span fail to realise, is that "panic buy" directly answers the question. Pochettino has at this point no idea yet how to best use Sissoko (neither have I, to be honest), and it is a 50/50 chance he'll figure it out adequately.
But by all means keep the spam-ratings coming, I love them, and they say more about you than me.
What a crock of shit. It's a massive disservice to Poch to suggest that he'd push Levy to spend that amount on a player with no idea how to use him.
Gb160
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Starting to think he's just attention seeking mate.
Everlasting Seconds
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I don't think they did commit to an absolute total of 30+ million, mate. Only a possible total.
I know you don't like my opinions, and I don't care. But it seems that you are the one who gets something out of trolling by pressing the spam-button every time you see a post from somebody you don't agree with. Who then, is the biggest troll?
JayB
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Fair enough, though I'm still optimistic that he will be much better for us than he was for them. When he gave a shit (which was typically when he was in the shop window up against big clubs) he would perform for them, and with us he'll have to give his all in training and every time he gets selected in order to remain in Poch's reckoning. Hopefully he'll adapt to the CM role or else we will have left ourselves short.
The same Pochettino that refused to panic buy a back up striker or defensive midfielder last season because he didn't want someone in his squad that wouldn't strengthen it? That Pochettino is now panic spending £30m for shits and giggles?I think what a lot of posters with a narrow creativity and reading capability span fail to realise, is that "panic buy" directly answers the question. Pochettino has at this point no idea yet how to best use Sissoko (neither have I, to be honest), and it is a 50/50 chance he'll figure it out adequately.
But by all means keep the spam-ratings coming, I love them, and they say more about you than me.
Gb160
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They're meaningless little ratings don't get upset...still like to know how u know Poch doesn't know how to use Sissoko?I don't think they did commit to an absolute total of 30+ million, mate. Only a possible total.
I know you don't like my opinions, and I don't care. But it seems that you are the one who gets something out of trolling by pressing the spam-button every time you see a post from somebody you don't agree with. Who then, is the biggest troll?
Serious question.
Spurs' Pipe Dreams
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I still think £30M for a squad player is way too much, Dembele is better than him centrally Eriksen more creative and Lamela a harder worker, but he can cover all three, is better than Mason and Carroll and will add something different/cover out wide.
Overall overpriced but a good player, who does improve us/give competition
Overall overpriced but a good player, who does improve us/give competition
walworthyid
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He doesn't look after the ball well enough to be a like for like with dembele imo. He is by far at his most effective out wide or as an attacking mid/10.
What people are failing to grasp is that managers want options, good ones do anyway. So a game at home against Bournemouth is very different to a game away against Monaco. Managers generally play the same team all of the time because they are under pressure to get results and dont have players to bring in who are of the same quality or won't weaken the team.
Poch has played a system so far that seems quite rigid but has he really ever had the players to change it? We drop Alli who comes in? Lamela? Eriksen? Dembele? Kane? As it stands we now have the option of shifting lamela to 10, dropping Alli and bringing in Sissoko for example. This is to add to the options that Kevin and Jansen provide us as well as son when he returns.
We now have pace and power as an option which we simply didn't have last season.
What people are failing to grasp is that managers want options, good ones do anyway. So a game at home against Bournemouth is very different to a game away against Monaco. Managers generally play the same team all of the time because they are under pressure to get results and dont have players to bring in who are of the same quality or won't weaken the team.
Poch has played a system so far that seems quite rigid but has he really ever had the players to change it? We drop Alli who comes in? Lamela? Eriksen? Dembele? Kane? As it stands we now have the option of shifting lamela to 10, dropping Alli and bringing in Sissoko for example. This is to add to the options that Kevin and Jansen provide us as well as son when he returns.
We now have pace and power as an option which we simply didn't have last season.
Cravenspurs
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For me he is an AM that can slot in the CM role if needed. But he is best as an outlet on the flanks where he can use his pace and strength to open up play.
This is the last time I beat this drum, but Winks is the competition for Dembele in my book. No one else slots next to Wanyama or Dier better than Demebele and Winks.
This is the last time I beat this drum, but Winks is the competition for Dembele in my book. No one else slots next to Wanyama or Dier better than Demebele and Winks.
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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Wouldn't like to see him in cm to often. Don't think his touch is good enough in tight areas and think he lacks a bit of defensive awareness. Give him the ball in wide areas and he can make things happen with his pace and directness. I think he'll be useful away from home and when we play on that big Wembley pitch this year and next.
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CowInAComa
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Pretty certain you were demanding a panic buy yesterday.
Probably a bit steep, but we rinsed silly money for mason and Chadli so can absorb it
Are you spazzing out because you are concerned about our finances, or are you sad about isco? He didn't want to come mate
Chilli
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I'm struggling to understand why, after all poch has done and changed at our club (for the good), there are still plenty out there that don't have faith in him.
He has never 'panic bought' and to be fair it's a credit to him as most of (if not all) the Spurs mangers I have known, have.
He has built a strong and committed side that are all fighting for his cause. He deserves your faith imo.
Basically, stop your miserable whinning and back one of the best managers we've had.
(Failing that, have a beer and knock one out, as you sound like weary ball bags)
He has never 'panic bought' and to be fair it's a credit to him as most of (if not all) the Spurs mangers I have known, have.
He has built a strong and committed side that are all fighting for his cause. He deserves your faith imo.
Basically, stop your miserable whinning and back one of the best managers we've had.
(Failing that, have a beer and knock one out, as you sound like weary ball bags)
TottenhamMattSpur
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I think Poch will mould him into a central box to box player. I think by the end of the season the neigh sayers will look a bit silly.
thebenjamin
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I think he'll play wide right a lot. From what Poch has been saying recently he's obviously aware that we can look a bit predictable going forward as we're playing in front of teams without anyone running in behind. Hence the Mane type player comments.
So I think he's going to use him for penetration, to stretch the game out and create space for everyone else.
The fact he covers 2 problem areas positionally - alternative to Lamela on the right and cover for Dembele - and him giving us an absolute extra tactical option in behind, adds up to him being a smart signing.
Poch will get him focused and playing well, no danger.
So I think he's going to use him for penetration, to stretch the game out and create space for everyone else.
The fact he covers 2 problem areas positionally - alternative to Lamela on the right and cover for Dembele - and him giving us an absolute extra tactical option in behind, adds up to him being a smart signing.
Poch will get him focused and playing well, no danger.
not_tenth-again
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He'll play the left right out position. He'll be on the bench and cover/provide options for CM, 10 and wing. I don't think he was bought to start, just to cover.
My one caveat here is I think Eriksen is off next year (ITK whisper and a gut feel), if Lamela keeps going on his trajectory I can see him moving to 10 with Sissoko taking over on the right. I don't think it'll happen this year but I think it's in the back of Poch's mind
My one caveat here is I think Eriksen is off next year (ITK whisper and a gut feel), if Lamela keeps going on his trajectory I can see him moving to 10 with Sissoko taking over on the right. I don't think it'll happen this year but I think it's in the back of Poch's mind
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Sissoko can't play in a CM2 and as far as I know he never has (unless Carver tried him in one - which would have been shit as all his games were tactically shit - so therefore wouldn't count).
He certainly never played there for Toulouse who played a 4141 (which was a diamond in attack and flattened out in defence somewhat) with Capoue as the defensive "1", Didot the base of the diamond 4 helping out Capoue with Sissoko invariably as one of the wide or forward positions in the diamond.
At Newcastle, Pardew often used him as the RCM in a 433 from what I saw, where he was inconsistent whenever I saw them, odd very good game, a lot of meh and some shite. And Pochettino has had perfect players for a 433 here for 2 years and hasn't played it yet.
He was also used right in the front three of the 433 I think and also ARM in a 4231, again with mixed results.
He doesn't have the positional discipline to play in a CM2 at our level, but then Pochettino has played Alli as a CM2 so who fucking knows if he'll try Sissoko there ? With all the higher IQ, more craft like options that were floating around this summer, I'm fucking disappointed we ended up going for Sissoko. I think we have plenty of powerful players, with hit and miss end product. What we desperately needed was to increase our IQ.
And if it was a pacey direct attacker we wanted, we just bought one for a third of the price in Nkoudou, so why spunk 30m on Sissoko ?
Picture the scene, we are against the bus park, we need some guile and craft, someone who can thread a pass or someone who can dribble at or through intricate gaps, with tight control, what we have got with Sissoko is a turbo bulldozer.
If he's a roaring success I'll be amazed, it will either mean Poch has finally embraced 433 or dropping one of Alli/Eriksen/Lamela on a regular basis, which is hard to envisage. And if we wanted him as our pacey dribbler attacking midfielder, why did we buy Nkoudou (who represents much better value) ?
If he fails to work out, 30m is a ludicrous amount of money to spend on a 27yo who's never set the world ablaze and wasn't even as good as people said in the Euro's. He bulldozed his way through Portugal's midfield a couple of times and then wasted the chances.
He certainly never played there for Toulouse who played a 4141 (which was a diamond in attack and flattened out in defence somewhat) with Capoue as the defensive "1", Didot the base of the diamond 4 helping out Capoue with Sissoko invariably as one of the wide or forward positions in the diamond.
At Newcastle, Pardew often used him as the RCM in a 433 from what I saw, where he was inconsistent whenever I saw them, odd very good game, a lot of meh and some shite. And Pochettino has had perfect players for a 433 here for 2 years and hasn't played it yet.
He was also used right in the front three of the 433 I think and also ARM in a 4231, again with mixed results.
He doesn't have the positional discipline to play in a CM2 at our level, but then Pochettino has played Alli as a CM2 so who fucking knows if he'll try Sissoko there ? With all the higher IQ, more craft like options that were floating around this summer, I'm fucking disappointed we ended up going for Sissoko. I think we have plenty of powerful players, with hit and miss end product. What we desperately needed was to increase our IQ.
And if it was a pacey direct attacker we wanted, we just bought one for a third of the price in Nkoudou, so why spunk 30m on Sissoko ?
Picture the scene, we are against the bus park, we need some guile and craft, someone who can thread a pass or someone who can dribble at or through intricate gaps, with tight control, what we have got with Sissoko is a turbo bulldozer.
If he's a roaring success I'll be amazed, it will either mean Poch has finally embraced 433 or dropping one of Alli/Eriksen/Lamela on a regular basis, which is hard to envisage. And if we wanted him as our pacey dribbler attacking midfielder, why did we buy Nkoudou (who represents much better value) ?
If he fails to work out, 30m is a ludicrous amount of money to spend on a 27yo who's never set the world ablaze and wasn't even as good as people said in the Euro's. He bulldozed his way through Portugal's midfield a couple of times and then wasted the chances.
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