Redknapp logic

[maglajz]

A Utd fan said to me a few months ago that he was past his sell-by date and that his record in Europe had been disappointing.

I would say that Utd were embarrassed yesterday. Wouldn't you?

But I don't oscillate between extremes.

Bad results happen, no matter what. But it's ridiculous how half of this board don't do anything else then throwing stones at Harry...

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Bad results happen, no matter what. But it's ridiculous how half of this board don't do anything else then throwing stones at Harry...

Given the choice, I would probably throw my shoes at him. But never stones.

 

[Beni]

As I said, the bar hadn't been set very high. If we hadn't finished in the top 4 last season, I would have viewed it as an underachievement, all things considered.



VDV doesn't count because we were never really in for him. His name cropped up-nothing more-instead, we spent most of the summer dry humping Joe Cole's leg.



Bale looked like a phenomenal prospect before he broke his ankle.



Losing 2-0 in extra time is not humiliating. Losing to a team rooted to the bottom of the table in an important game is humiliating.



We sent out a mish mash side with tactics that were not even half-baked. Against our biggest rivals. It was humiliating.



I like your avatar.

Obviously you've made your mind up and is past debating with.
You've got your agenda against Redknapp, and probably had as soon as he took the realsm, and will only be happy until Manuel the saviour from Europe comes in and takes us back to where we've been for the last 20 years.

We need to continuity and getting a new manager doesnt guarantee anything, being reputable or not. Ramos was prime example of this.

If Redknapp was Spainish and called Harroldo Redriguez, he would be regarded with a lot more respect and get the credit he deserves.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Obviously you've made your mind up and is past debating with.
You've got your agenda against Redknapp, and probably had as soon as he took the realsm, and will only be happy until Manuel the saviour from Europe comes in and takes us back to where we've been for the last 20 years.

We need to continuity and getting a new manager doesnt guarantee anything, being reputable or not. Ramos was prime example of this.

If Redknapp was Spainish and called Harroldo Redriguez, he would be regarded with a lot more respect and get the credit he deserves.

I was delighted when we appointed Redknapp. Because I felt he would keep us up. I was of the opinion that Ramos had lost the dressing room.

I wanted to smash Ramos's teeth in. I wanted him gone so badly that I sort of wanted us to lose in the end.

 

[StartingPrice]

The funny thing is, I had an "oh no" moment when Redknapp's appointment was announced.

I don't think he is the perfect manager (no such thing exists), but he has turned me round enough for me to be pleased to say I was wrong to rate him so lowly that I relaly thought he was pushing his level with Pompey.

Can he take us forward? I dunno. Maybe not, but I think he can consolidate, and anyone who has supportedthis club through thick and thin (and even thin and thin, at times) should be happy with that, believing that Dan Levy will get someone to take us that extra step as the next appointment.

Sure, he will goto England if he gets the chance - we should deal with when, and stop worring like clucking little children to something that just 'might' happen.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Anyone disappointed that I wanted to bash Ramos's head in?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

The funny thing is, I had an "oh no" moment when Redknapp's appointment was announced.

I don't think he is the perfect manager (no such thing exists), but he has turned me round enough for me to be pleased to say I was wrong to rate him so lowly that I relaly thought he was pushing his level with Pompey.

Can he take us forward? I dunno. Maybe not, but I think he can consolidate, and anyone who has supportedthis club through thick and thin (and even thin and thin, at times) should be happy with that, believing that Dan Levy will get someone to take us that extra step as the next appointment.

Sure, he will goto England if he gets the chance - we should deal with when, and stop worring like clucking little children to something that just 'might' happen.

Hens cluck.

 

[Caco]

Jesus Lads, I hope harry doesn't read this thread or he'll be on the phone all night to the samaritans, then he'll have to cancel training due to exhaustion, which will lead to a lack of focus and defeat at Sunderland, the ball will then roll on......

Seriously though, every manager has his favourites, is it any wonder that Harrys are English? He's an old fashioned manager, no nonsense. His view being that if I have 11 players that are better than your 11 players I've got a better chance of beating you. Tactics are for American footballers and rugby players. Look at Argentina during the world cup, a mess because Maradona tried to apply tactics, when all he needed was shape and balance and the world cup was in his grasp.

Do you honestly think that Pep at Barca sits up all night going through formations in his head? Football is not a difficult game, muppets like fat sam, jaques santini and the likes try to make it complicated by over analyzing it.

11 players better than your opponents, proper shape and balance in the team, you win a hell of a lot more games than you lose. This was the same view held by Clough, Shankley, Bill Nick and Jock Stein.

 

[SPURS_F@N]

hat was a blip! Big fuckin blip I agree but all the same I feel the board were on the right track. I dont agree with the way Jol was treated obviously. Harry was the perfect replacement considering the circumstances, and he's done a great job. We're not gonna get much more from him now though, his recent decisions and lack of action supports that. I seriously feel he's losing the plot. This is unchartered territory for him and I dont think he's handling the pressure well at all. He's not a long term replacement. We should move on and replace him when it suits us, not him.

How can you seriously say that?? How can he take us no further if you dont give him a chance, like what planet are you on? What manager do you think we could seriouslt attract that would come in and in 2 full seasons have us top 2? You are living in a fantasy land.

Earth. Your living in a fantasy land pal. He hasn't done anything remarkable yet. Dont forget, before the 'blip' we finished 5th with Jol. As for giving him a chance, i have been. I've had doubts from the start of the season but kept my gob shut until after the jan window. We're still doing well dont get me wrong but should be doing better imo, and harrys decision making is doing my head in.

 

[SPURS_F@N]

Tactics are for American footballers and rugby players. Look at Argentina during the world cup, a mess because Maradona tried to apply tactics, when all he needed was shape and balance and the world cup was in his grasp.

lmao! That just doesn't make any sense! lol And is it any surprise they were a mess taking tactical advise off that nut case! lol

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Does anyone else think Gus Poyet might be the man to take over from 'arry when he leaves for England ?

 

[Caco]

lmao! That just doesn't make any sense! lol And is it any surprise they were a mess taking tactical advise off that nut case! lol

How does it make no sense? Once a team has a winning mentality, all the rest falls into place. Thats not tactics, its man management. All the best managers in the world are excellent man managers. They believe in their players and the players respond to this.

You can through in your 3-5-2 formation, your christmas tree formation or whatever other bollox you want to try to achieve the upper hand on your opponent, but if you don't have players as good as the next team you are going to struggle.

It makes me laugh when some managers have a player ready to come on and they have the coach showing him little notes on bits of paper, the player runs onto the pitch and starts pointing and shouting and nobody has a clue what he is saying. This is tactics?

Harry believes in his players, some more than others, and they respond to this. Maybe he just feels he isn't getting enough from Pav, but I don't think he doesn't rate him, same goes for Gio and Bently. What Harry wants in his panel is players that will play for him, he doesn't need to be able to explain tactics to them because he knows that football is a simple game. He wants players who want to train, play and win for one another first and foremost, because he knows that fans will appreciate this from the team.

Its his job to give the team/squad shape and balance. Once he has that he needs to create a happy dressing room, was it really that big of a surprise that Harry brought back Robbie? Harry has built the team and the squad, its a close bunch and they still have the winning mentality. Once the team keeps this Harry has done his job as good as any other manager could.

 

[danielneeds]

Does anyone else think Gus Poyet might be the man to take over from 'arry when he leaves for England ?

Depends. A year a ago Di Matteo was the best thing since sliced bread, now he is out the job.

 

[bomberH]

Does anyone else think Gus Poyet might be the man to take over from 'arry when he leaves for England ?

Would be funny just to see if Dan bashes his mate when we don't finish top 4 and we haven't got that striker we all crave.

In fact, I would love it. It would go from 'Harry's rubbish cos he favours Defoe and Crouch and won't spend Levy's money' to 'Well we're trying really hard but you know how it is, no-one wants to come and that tightwad won't pay the wages'.

 

[rich75]

Does anyone else think Gus Poyet might be the man to take over from 'arry when he leaves for England ?

nope, not even slightly

 

[rich75]

As I said, the bar hadn't been set very high. If we hadn't finished in the top 4 last season, I would have viewed it as an underachievement, all things considered.

What world do you live in? I'm fairly certain that setting the bar at 4th place counts as pretty fucking high for us considering we hadn't managed it for god knows how long


VDV doesn't count because we were never really in for him. His name cropped up-nothing more-instead, we spent most of the summer dry humping Joe Cole's leg.

bollocks, we couldn't afford him and as far as anyone knew he wasn't for sale. That changed and we bought him.. what the hell else did you expect us to do? As for Joe Cole, most of the country were "dry humping" him.. in fact it's still something of a mystery how he turned out to be so shit for Liverpool



Bale looked like a phenomenal prospect before he broke his ankle.

Not really, he looked great at Southampton and then fairly average to shit here. It was at best a 50/50 split on this board about flogging him off



Losing 2-0 in extra time is not humiliating. Losing to a team rooted to the bottom of the table in an important game is humiliating.

Like it's never happened to anyone else



We sent out a mish mash side with tactics that were not even half-baked. Against our biggest rivals. It was humiliating.

Again... shit happens, get over it

It genuinely doesn't matter what Redknapp does you just don't like the bloke.. that's fine, just stop poncing around trying to justify it every 5 minutes.

 

[BorisTM]

So why has Harry gone from saying we're title challengers to saying we have it all to do to finish in the top 4? What's happened there?

Because we have the quality to be contenders but because of the way he is managing the players, who is to play, on what position and how long, what subs to make and when, we are not getting the results we need to get us there.

 

[SPURS_F@N]

Does anyone else think Gus Poyet might be the man to take over from 'arry when he leaves for England ?

nope, not even slightly

Agreed. Not even close imo.