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[Flashspur]

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This is exactly the attitude we should all have.

Sadly, not only do we have to witness the press laying into the manager, but we're rivalling them in how much we're shredding him ourselves.

I fear the only way to actually penetrate the monumentally dense skulls of some of our own fans (like the ones who think they can "solve the problems" of AVB's managership) and get them to support the club is by posting stuff like this in the hope that they'll realise where their priorities should be.

well said

 

[sloth]

Nutters the lot of you.

But not you?

 

[sloth]

If AVB flops then Levy surely has to consider his position. This was a big gamble on his half and it has to work.

You have to think that not signing Moutinho has made AVB's task all the more difficult.

I haven't booed AVB. I am posting on a football forum. Get some perspective.

He's the owner, you don't consider your position when you own something. If you owned a shop and you fucked up in some way, you wouldn't give yourself the sack would you? If you invest in something, say property, and the bottom falls out of the market, you don't give yourself the sack, do you? You either have no choice but to sell the investment (not going to happen with THFC), you decide to cut your losses and sell the investment at the bottom of the market (not going to happen), or you decide to redouble your efforts to see your investment becomes a success (exactly what will happen!).

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

If there is one thing I hate more than knee jerk posters is the opposite end of the spectrum of sanctimonious posters who tell you who you should support, how you should support them, and take a distinctly 'holier than thou' attitude.

 

[rez9000]

Is this from the same guy who wrote that article last year about how Redknapp wasn't the man to take us forward?

I honestly don't know, J. It was linked on another blog and I followed it. Sorry.

 

[Spurger King]

For what it's worth I'm not sure the booing on Saturday was entirely aimed at AVB.

The atmosphere wasn't exactly great before the game. I think if Moutinho had been signed for a record fee it would have ended the window on a high note. Instead the loss of VDV was probably on a lot of people's minds, and this was compounded by the dire performance of the players - where there was a glaring lack of the passion or creativity that someone like VDV would bring.

I think a lot of us felt that the window had been a poor one. Upon reflection (and in comparison to teams like Arsenal and Liverpool) I'd say it's a lot better than I first thought, however on Saturday the mood started low and just got lower.

I don't think AVB did much wrong really. People were pissed off that Livermore wasn't taken off instead of Sandro, but neither were having a great game and Sandro could well be feeling the effects of playing in the Olympics. Defoe starting made sense too if Adebayor still isn't fully fit so all in all I'd say AVB has made the most of what was available to him.

Doesn't change the fact that booing your own team is a prickish thing to do, and yes it will help to pile the pressure on AVB as it gets the media worked up into a feeding frenzy. It's counter-productive to what should be an exciting beginning of a new era. I'm worried that things are already turning into an uphill struggle for AVB, when the one thing we need right now is a patient and relaxed atmosphere that allows AVB and the team to understand one another.

 

[SteveH]

For what it's worth I'm not sure the booing on Saturday was entirely aimed at AVB.

The atmosphere wasn't exactly great before the game. I think if Moutinho had been signed for a record fee it would have ended the window on a high note. Instead the loss of VDV was probably on a lot of people's minds, and this was compounded by the dire performance of the players - where there was a glaring lack of the passion or creativity that someone like VDV would bring.

I think a lot of us felt that the window had been a poor one. Upon reflection (and in comparison to teams like Arsenal and Liverpool) I'd say it's a lot better than I first thought, however on Saturday the mood started low and just got lower.

I don't think AVB did much wrong really. People were pissed off that Livermore wasn't taken off instead of Sandro, but neither were having a great game and Sandro could well be feeling the effects of playing in the Olympics. Defoe starting made sense too if Adebayor still isn't fully fit so all in all I'd say AVB has made the most of what was available to him.

Doesn't change the fact that booing your own team is a prickish thing to do, and yes it will help to pile the pressure on AVB as it gets the media worked up into a feeding frenzy. It's counter-productive to what should be an exciting beginning of a new era. I'm worried that things are already turning into an uphill struggle for AVB, when the one thing we need right now is a patient and relaxed atmosphere that allows AVB and the team to understand one another.

So they didn't get what they wanted and they booed! Well that's OK then.............

 

[Spurger King]

So they didn't get what they wanted and they booed! Well that's OK then.............

Yeah I can see how you've interpreted "booing your own team is a prickish thing to do" as saying it's ok to boo your team. Well done.

I mentioned it as another possible reason for the reaction on Saturday. I certainly wasn't validating it.

 

[SteveH]

Yeah I can see how you've interpreted "booing your own team is a prickish thing to do" as saying it's ok to boo your team. Well done.

I mentioned it as another possible reason for the reaction on Saturday. I certainly wasn't validating it.

You have been moaning about the window quite a bit though - it could be called cyber-booing if I was being mischievous

It saddens me, the reaction by some to the whole Moutinho saga. I was disappointed of course, but I suck it up and move on to the positives like Dembele and Dempsey.

But I am old git

 

[Spurger King]

You have been moaning about the window quite a bit though - it could be called cyber-booing if I was being mischievous

It saddens me, the reaction by some to the whole Moutinho saga. I was disappointed of course, but I suck it up and move on to the positives like Dembele and Dempsey.

But I am old git

Cyber-booing. I like that!

I've never booed my own team, and I never will. Yes I was pretty pissed off with the end of the transfer window because I honestly felt that Moutinho was the most important piece of the puzzle, and that we let VDV go on the assumption that the Moutinho deal was guaranteed. A midfield three of Moutinho, Dembele and Sandro/Parker really would have been something. Oh well...

Still...having had time to reflect on things a bit longer I'm more confident about this team. Dempsey gives us a lot of options due to being able to play in multiple attacking positions. Dembele looks like he could become pivotal, and the signings of Lloris and Vertonghen were impressive. Hopefully Sigurdsson will gain a bit of confidence and start putting in more involved performances soon as well.

 

[rez9000]

Bollocks, he inherited a team that spent one half of last season contending 2nd and 3rd place and one half playing like a drain. That isn't a broken team, it's an inconsistent one. Is this seriously suggesting that given the choice AVB wouldn't have wanted to hold onto Modric and quite possibly VDV as well or was he "happy" to show Modric the door?

Fuck me, I'm not even against AVB but the cock being spouted on this forum is ridiculous. In one corner there's a bunch who've got the hump over Redknapps sacking and are so myopic they're just happy to have a go at the new bloke 3 games in, whilst in the other corner are those who wanted Redknapp out and now want to defend their new saviour by yelling about how shit Redknapp was and how nothing could possibly be dangerous with hiring AVB. Somewhere in the middle is everyone else who whilst being aware that we sacked a bloke who did very well for us and took a gamble on the new manager are happy to give him time to get it right.

Nutters the lot of you.

I never wanted Harry out, rich. I supported him until the moment he was sacked. There are threads where I've vociferously gone up against those who hated him.

I didn't write the article, I merely found it, asked the author if I could post it here and then did so.

The reason I did was because it had a resonance. I did it in order to try and quell the anti-AVB stuff that's going on. Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't be this vocal. The reason I'm so strongly defending AVB is because we have the press circling waiting for any chance to tear another strip off. Doing that hurts the club and we need to act as a brake on those who don't have the common sense to censor themselves. By that I don't mean they should be censored by anyone else, merely that we need to argue them into understanding that they need to work and speak to the benefit of the club and not to it's detriment.

With regard the article above, again it's opinon, however, I can see some truth in it as well. We'll never know how accurate it is, and I would certainly state that the author coaches his language a little strongly and presents more as fact than as a possible reality, but the point does exist that for a fair share of last season we did seem to pay as a team with no ideas, one that was in the midst of atastrophic failure.

Now whether that was down to Redknapp's managerial skills or the England job or something else, we will never be able to say. This is merely one of a possible myriad explanations.

What is clear is what we should be doing as fans and supporters - supporting the club, supporting the players, and supporting the manager.

 

[rez9000]

If AVB flops then Levy surely has to consider his position. This was a big gamble on his half and it has to work.

You have to think that not signing Moutinho has made AVB's task all the more difficult.

I haven't booed AVB. I am posting on a football forum. Get some perspective.

Who's accusing you of booing?

 

[rez9000]

If there is one thing I hate more than knee jerk posters is the opposite end of the spectrum of sanctimonious posters who tell you who you should support, how you should support them, and take a distinctly 'holier than thou' attitude.

Forgive me. I would have thought that they wouldn't need telling, but I think the evidence quite clearly suggests they do.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I honestly don't know, J. It was linked on another blog and I followed it. Sorry.

It was!

http://oneinthehole.wordpress.com/2...-no-longer-the-manager-to-take-spurs-forward/

 

[brendanb50]

Totally agree with his post, AVB has got his work cut out and them some.
Harry did a job job in a stewardship sense, but once he was leaving or thought to be, the team was deflated, coinciding at a time when the team needed him most. The City game was crucial, we lost and the slim hope of the title was gone. The extra desire, gone. The Arse game just cemented it. Harry deserted us on spirit when spirit was needed, a pick me up, team talk, fight, spirit, guts, diligence.
The identity of the team was lost, AVB must now create his own, not take custodianship, create his own identity. We need to give him time. He will rebuild the team, create morale and enthusiasm, I believe in him.

Couple of good posts here already but i liked this one; it follows on nicely from where Redknapp left us, not just physically.

Linking in with the OP and our slump - I often overlook the City game to some extent, a key game no doubt but one i felt we were unlucky in and still had a large amount of positives to take into our next game.

Unfortunately and as you correctly state, Redknapp didn't seem to do a great job in picking things up from there. Granted he's not the only one to blame, players need to take their share of that but from the Arse game onwards we looked a shell of the team which absolutely soared after the first two games of the season. Motivation seemed lacking, confidence seemed low - the air of uncertainty definitely affected our team IMHO and a lot of that was down to the England/Arry debacle.

Your last point and the OP are spot on for me, AVB needs to disregard what happened last season, where we WERE and focus on where we're going. Everything about his appointment from a club perspective points forward to the future and time is needed for those plans and ideas to take shape.

I for one am more than happy to allow that time. I can't say i subscribe to the broken team idea but i completely see the point that we are not the flying team from the first half of last season and we'll take a little time to get that fluidity and confidence back into our game.

 

[rez9000]

It was!

http://oneinthehole.wordpress.com/2...-no-longer-the-manager-to-take-spurs-forward/

Are you sure? It doesn't look the same format as where I found the one I posted. I can't see the article's author either.

 

[SteveH]

Cyber-booing. I like that!

I've never booed my own team, and I never will. Yes I was pretty pissed off with the end of the transfer window because I honestly felt that Moutinho was the most important piece of the puzzle, and that we let VDV go on the assumption that the Moutinho deal was guaranteed. A midfield three of Moutinho, Dembele and Sandro/Parker really would have been something. Oh well...

Still...having had time to reflect on things a bit longer I'm more confident about this team. Dempsey gives us a lot of options due to being able to play in multiple attacking positions. Dembele looks like he could become pivotal, and the signings of Lloris and Vertonghen were impressive. Hopefully Sigurdsson will gain a bit of confidence and start putting in more involved performances soon as well.

Sigurdsson I find "ATM" disappointing. Hope we did not do it just to wind-up Lpool. Although tempting
But I agree with you sentiments.

I remember when we tried to sign Dirk Kuyt and all the angst that followed it was a shitfest - people falling out & calling people out, ect. We all need to take step back and chill IMHO. It makes for a more pleasant atmosphere.

Again - remember I am an old git - what do I know.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Are you sure? It doesn't look the same format as where I found the one I posted. I can't see the article's author either.

It says Follow@EwanRoberts in the top right hand corner.

 

[thinktank]

Like any team we went through a bad run of form. To suggest there was something rotten at heart is too far.

AVB will be judged on his summer transfer dealings and how he gets the team to gel as a unit.

No excuses and no blaming Harry.

The rot started when 'Arry did the dance with the England job and muddied his position and destabilized what he had built - the foundation of which was morale which bred confidence, which translated to performance and maximisation of potential. Once 'Arry did the England wobble, the morale went, we started the fall.

The main test for AVB is man management. To be successful here - especially here - as our players seem to be a bit delicate i.e. pussies mentally - he will have to totally change his approach and get a bit of 'Arry in him and learn how to massage egos, placate and encourage and most of all: relax.

This is the key component for AVB, if he cannot unlock that within himself then he is likely on a hiding to nothing with our boys.

They like their feet rubbed and tickled.

 

[StartingPrice]

If there is one thing I hate more than knee jerk posters is the opposite end of the spectrum of sanctimonious posters who tell you who you should support, how you should support them, and take a distinctly 'holier than thou' attitude.

Nah, the kneejerkers are worse...you should suppoert the tea...