Ratings v Real Madrid

[Coyboy]

It's not really relevant because it's yet another hackneyed cliche about how Harry doesn't 'do' tactics. If it was a one off post, it would have simply been incongrous. Coming from you it is tedious and pathetic. 'Harry has reached his level'. What bollocks. It's not a bad level to be at, or do you expect us to win the CL five years in a row like Madrid have done?

 

[Mr Pink]

Gomes 4 the clanger kicked the stuffing out of us, a training game was the consequence. Also came for a corner in the first half were he got nowhere near.

Corluka 5 did ok defensively, but couldn't really find a final ball when it mattered. Not at his best in all honesty.

Gallas 7 Very solid throughout, no issues with this guys concentration. Everything he did, he did well.

Dawson 7 a couple of excellent tackles and blocks, particularly the one on Ronaldo's effort. Another good performace at the heart of our defence.

Ekotto 7 I thought he was good, yes he can pump it forward quite frequently but in most cases it was justified. Some nice defensive work on show and the effort was pretty clear from our left back.

Lennon 6 did well early on and the pull back for Pav was excellent. Naturally, after being ill, it did seem like he started to fade.

Huddlestone 6 very shaky start were he gave the ball away on a couple of occasions and one of them could of been very costly. I put that down to rustiness as it was out of character, after he settled down and got his passing game going he performed reasonably well.

Modric 7 always great in tight spots with the ball and its a joy to watch. Some nice interplay with Bale and it was a pitty he was offside when he set up that chance with the header.

Bale 7 had the beating of Ramos, and some of his runs whilst keeping the ball in play and flicking it past the defender was sublime stuff. Looked fitter and sharper tonight and certainly put in a real shift - all good news for our run in.

VDV 6 lovely through ball to Lennon in the first half who set up Pav. Worked quite hard throughout but up until the last 10 mins he never really looked like he was going to considerably influence the game, which of course was well and truly over by then. A decent effort on goal and nice cross for Pav is worthy of a mention though.

Pav 6 I thought he did alright, he worked quite hard and took up some good positions. Could of had a penalty but equally he should of taken at least one of those chances ie the set up from Lennon in the first half, or the header crossed by VDV in the second.

 

[sloth]

It's not really relevant because it's yet another hackneyed cliche about how Harry doesn't 'do' tactics. If it was a one off post, it would have simply been incongrous. Coming from you it is tedious and pathetic. 'Harry has reached his level'. What bollocks. It's not a bad level to be at, or do you expect us to win the CL five years in a row like Madrid have done?

Mate, I came into the match rating thread to post my ideas on the match, you on the other hand have yet to post a single thing about the match or indeed offered any thoughts on the match ratings. And you critices me for lack of relevance :shrug: ?

As for being tiresome, tedious or pathetic, I don't know, but I've noticed you like to come on here quite a bit, having a go at or targeting certain posters. That's a teeny bit boring too you know :up:

On your "not a bad level to be at" comment, you are quite right, Harry's shown himself to be a very good manager over the last couple of years. It's no easy task to qualify for the CL in this country, nor to beat the reigning Champions over two legs and then do the same to the Serie A leaders.

He's good, but he's not top class, he's nowhere near in the league of Arsene Wenger, SAF, Mourinho or a host of world-class managers. In our own league he's probably sixth best out of the current crop. He's reached his level and it's this one, is that good enough for us? I hope not.

The good news is he'll stick around for another year and then we'll have a shot at getting a team-builder, which is what a club like us really needs after the hugely positive shot in the arm Harry's given us.

 

[dimiSpur]

Gomes - 5 Love the guy but he's gotta get his arse in gear a little now.

Corluka - 6 Could have used ball better at times. Maybe.
Gallas - 7 Another good game. What a signing. :clap: Harry.
Dawson - 8 Outstanding
Ekotto - 7 Defended well. Wish he'd keep the ball on the floor a little more.

Lennon - 7 His removal by Harry confused me. Played well I thought
Modric - 7 He and Hudd both started slow, but gradually took a bit more control.
Hudd - 7 Started poorly but went on to spread some lovely balls about.
Bale - 7 Started excellently, seemed to fade after Ramos' assault.

VdV - 5 Our worst player last night. Slow, off the pace, comes too deep. Need him to get playing again

Pav - 6 Did OK, found himself isolated at times what with Rafa keeping Hudd company.

Defoe - 6 Kept shooting, should have squared his header
Sandro - Great energy, got forward OK aswell.
Kranjcar - 9 MOM

 

[ibbz]

any chance you could add a mom poll to the thread header?

I thought everyone did as well as they could have done (barring gomes' mishap), but in the end real madrid were better than us.

In the autopsy of the two legs i think the basic conclusion should be that we were beaten by a better team with better players than we have. Playing for 80 mins with 10 men in madrid didn't help either.

All of which i hope puts the following in the proper perspective...

I think harry redknapp's reached his level. The thing i omitted from the list above was "better manager".

We had a mountain to climb and it was completely unlikely that we'd do it and almost unreasonable to hope that we might, however to put out the completely expected as harry did last night was to utterly live up to a manager like mourinho's expectations.

He knew exactly how to play against that team, there were no surprises and he had his team prepared so much so that they dominated from start to finish.

I remember jol switching us about a few years ago against chelsea and completely throwing them. He stuck lennon in the hole and we were 3-0 up before mourinho had a chance to change it about at half-time.

From redknapp yesterday we got absolutely eff all. Stick the wingers on the wings, put modric and huddlestone in the centre... Etc etc.

Redknapp's right, the game is essentially simple and players need simple instructions, but when you've got two top teams tactics make a difference. Mourinho isn't successful just because he's had the best players everywhere he's gone - if that was the case then you wouldn't even need a manager - he's successful because he can put out an inter team which one week can nullify barcelona and the next overwhelm serie a minnows.

Like i say redknapp's reached his level...

bravo!!
Agreed!

 

[Bruts]

Mate, I came into the match rating thread to post my ideas on the match, you on the other hand have yet to post a single thing about the match or indeed offered any thoughts on the match ratings. And you critices me for lack of relevance :shrug: ?

As for being tiresome, tedious or pathetic, I don't know, but I've noticed you like to come on here quite a bit, having a go at or targeting certain posters. That's a teeny bit boring too you know :up:

On your "not a bad level to be at" comment, you are quite right, Harry's shown himself to be a very good manager over the last couple of years. It's no easy task to qualify for the CL in this country, nor to beat the reigning Champions over two legs and then do the same to the Serie A leaders.

He's good, but he's not top class, he's nowhere near in the league of Arsene Wenger, SAF, Mourinho or a host of world-class managers. In our own league he's probably sixth best out of the current crop. He's reached his level and it's this one, is that good enough for us? I hope not.

The good news is he'll stick around for another year and then we'll have a shot at getting a team-builder, which is what a club like us really needs after the hugely positive shot in the arm Harry's given us.

My, My you wind me up !!

Which 5 are better than him then that we could realistically attract as our manager?

 

[OneHotspur1988]

Modric and Thudd were our worst players last night.

All they did was give the ball away, im sick of seeing modric get brushed aside and then try and complain.

Thudd needs to look before he trys to place a pass.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Barcelona, Real Madrid, tottenham are a load yids and we always take the north bank highbury....


I think from my earliest days as a spurs fan in the seventies that song has always been ringing around in my head. I'd seen us play Barca, and was there the night we took the north bank, but until last week the Real Madrid stanza had remained the unfulfilled dream.

Call me an old romantic, but just being there was what it was all about for me. Because being there meant we were something special. To be competing with AC MIlan in the San Siro and Madrid in the Bernabau meant we'd finally taken our place at the top table.

But eating at that top table is only possible with league success. We've won some great cups and I'd enjoyed them, but in my lifetime we've never really managed to be a genuine consistent league contender.

Smokey Robinson said a taste of honey is better than none at all, but that will never stop you wanting it on your crunchy nut corn flakes every day, because without it (and the nuts) they are just fucking cornflakes.

My big concern this whole run has been that it has come at the expense of league consistency and those handful of glory nights have cost a year, maybe five more dining at the table.

I personally would have happily gone out at the group stage if it had guaranteed us another top 4 finish. I would have happily left the trifecta unfulfilled - for another year at least anyway - to maintain our specialness.

Truth is, I don't think the CL is entirely to blame. I think, like Sloth, that our manager has his limitations, and they have been even more evident in the league than in the CL.

CL has been easy for him. Far easier to get players up for Inter Milan than for Wigan eh..

Even if you get your tactics wrong, when every player is buoyed up and wired for a big night, it compensates. It's making sure, like SAF and Mourinho that you treat Blackpool, Wolves and Wigan with the same respect, ferocity, the same energy. That's the trick.

I believed, foolishly that AC milan in the San Siro was an epiphany for Redknapp. It wasn't. It was yet another (a la EKotto/Bale) case of pure luck. Hudd, Modric, Bale and Jenas out clearly forced Redknapp's hand. Evidenced by his refusal to approach any single match since with the same pragmatism.

His tactics last night were utterly predictable. They were irrelevant because Real Madrid were better organised, with better players who WORKED HARDER.

This is Redknapp's biggest failing. To be outwitted by Mourinho is no crime. But to be outworked by Wigan or Wolves is.

He says it's a simple game. But one of the simplest of things that all good managers do is instil work ethic. It's what keeps top teams winning when they aren't playing so well. It's what makes good players great and great teams winners. You must work your nuts off when they have the ball to press it back, and when you have the ball you must keep moving for each other. Every single top team around europe do this. The best teams do it well.

What worries me is that Redknapp saw the fruits of this two years ago when he said as much after the Barca friendly. He saw it again in the San Siro when we did it to AC. In between and since he has failed to instil this as standard procedure.

I'm not knocking what Redknapp has achieved. He has clearly been good for the club and tactically he does try. Like Chelsea under Ranieri we have a tough choice IMO. Remove a beloved manager who clearly has ability. Or keep him here and accept a that we may never quite reach the very top of the table.

Believe me, I don't give a fuck that we have gone out of the CL. But I do give a fuck that a team as good as ours has thrown so many points away this season because of poor coaching and not so great tactics.

Stick, twist, or hit pontoon ? It's a toughie.

Ratings:

Gomes 4 - I like the fella, and for me he still saves us more than he costs us, but when he fucks up, he really fucks up.

Corluka 5 - If everyone else could play on quick sand he'd be great. They don't and it makes it look like he is at times.

Gallas 7 - Good game.

Dawson 7 - Good game.

Ekotto 6 - Good game but a couple of really poor pieces of defending. Runs out of the way of Ronaldo's shot, and got it all wrong a bit later when their guy ran at him.

Lennon 7.5 - I was actually really surprised Lennon was taken off. I thought he was having a very good game. Great run and cut back for Pav. Maybe it was to save him ?

Huddelstone 6 - Seemed a bit like a rabbit in headlights at the start, then recomposed himself, but as is often the case faded as the game went on. Had the sort of spell that Palacios gets ironic cheers for nearly gifting Adebayor a great opportunity.

Modric 7 - Worked really hard but at times was having to do too much donkey work. Occasionally found himself covering Hudd. This is one of those nights where he shouldn't be in CM. Wasted.

Bale 7 - Worked hard, and is it just me, or does Mr Bale seem to raise his effort for the big games ? Redknapp needs to get hold of him and make him understand that every game is a big game.

VDV 7 - worked really hard. I don't think his work ethic is always appreciated. Just having someone on their third who works them is worth about three Defoes and takes pressure off our midfield - which is vital when it consists of Bale, Modric, Hudd and Lennon. Not a tenacious presser amongst them. Pass of the night, inside two Madrid players, to Lennon. Sweetness.

Pav 6.5 - Good first half, faded second.


Redknapp 6 - we were never going to win 5-0. But his tactics were predictable and so were we. Madrid barely had to break a sweat to control that game. Beaten by a better side, but also out worked by them.

 

[THOWIG]

Modric and Thudd were our worst players last night.

All they did was give the ball away, im sick of seeing modric get brushed aside and then try and complain.

What game were you watching?

 

[jonnyp]

Gomes 2 - Not good enough for a club with CL ambitions. Sick of these clown like mistakes.
BAE 6 - Did ok, struggled with Ronaldo though.
Corluka 6 - Did ok
Gallas 7 - Solid
Dawson 7 - Solid
Huddlestone 6 - Some misplaced passes in the first half, did alright after that
Modric 6 - Expect a lot more than that
Bale 6.5 - Some decent runs, but not at his best.
Lennon 6.5 - Same as Bale
VDV 5 - Thought he worked hard yesterday , even though he also looked very frustrated at times. Not at his best for a long time now.
Pav 6.5 - Good movement, and some nice linkup play. Should've probably had a penalty.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Gomes was poor on the goal and flapped at another cross. He'll want to forget this tie as a whole I imagine.

Corluka seemed ok defensively but going forward he was woeful. I've always been a big fan but his form lately has let him down, though perhaps it can still be traced back to Flamini the butcher.

Gallas was superb in my opinion. He won everything he needed to.

Dawson was fine defensively in the second half but in the first he was done for pace a few too many times. His distribution was as bad as I've seen it.

Ekotto had a good game on the whole but, like the rest of the defence, he was a bit silly with his distribution.

Lennon was our biggest thread in my opinion, anybody who calls him a bottler needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Looks happy to have Huddlestone back.

Huddlestone was fine defensively, but his passing was a little sloppy too often. He played a few beauties though, one to Lennon in particular. Getting sharper.

Modric held onto the ball under immense pressure throughout the game, barely wasted a pass and always looked our most likely player to make something happen. Should have had a penalty too. He could have easily played for either side.

Bale until he took one too many kicks looked like he was going to make something happen tonight. It wasn't to be but that is by and large down to the poor form of the men meant to be getting into the box.

Van der Vaart did some good work in midfield, but he's just not looking sharp going forward at the moment. One lovely through pass to Lennon aside, he just seems to be short of ideas right now, as if that little determined dutch man who had a point to prove in the first half of the season now no longer wants to stretch for that slightly imperfect pass. He's always capable of 'that' moment, as the pass to Lennon suggests, but right now, with the side not on top form, he needs to up the effort.

Pavlyuchenko worked hard, chased the ball down, held it fairly well, but made some silly passes and had some poor touches. He also had two wonderful chances from a VDV cross in the second half and the Lennon drag back in the first half. Had his prowess matched our creativity he might have been able to give us a kick towards the miracle. Wasn't to be.

Defoe came on, had our very best shot, chased a few things, held the ball quite well, had another rubbish shot. Seemed a little more confident.

Sandro came on and did his best to drive us forward even when the cause was lost. Great attitude.

Kranjcar ditto on Sandro. Deserves more than 9 minutes ever few games.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Modric and Thudd were our worst players last night.

All they did was give the ball away, im sick of seeing modric get brushed aside and then try and complain.

Thudd needs to look before he trys to place a pass.

Are you sure?

 

[sloth]

My, My you wind me up !!

Which 5 are better than him then that we could realistically attract as our manager?

Ok, before I list my top six I want to make the point that this is only the Premier League, I'd want us to consider one of the following five a candidate, but I'd also look at several from over-seas. The other point is there are managers less proven but who might be very good, but who's record means they can't yet be considered at the same level as Harry.



1. Wenger - spends a lot on players wages, even if not on transfer fees. Has moulded three generations of first-class teams. Never not qualified for the CL, won the Premier League numerous times. Is the best team-builder in the business. They built a fucking stadium off the back of his teams success

2. SAF - Another DoF type manager like Wenger, not quite as good a talent spotter as Wenger, great motivator, only loses out to Wenger because his success has come off the back of a far larger budget than the frenchman's.

3= Dalglish and Ancelotti. Both have had tremendous success in the careers, they've won league titles with more than one club. Juries out slightly on each though, has Dalglish still got it? Ancelotti won a fair bit of his success in the era of match fixing in Italy.

5. David Moyes. Cut his teeth in the lower leagues with Preston where he enjoyed far more success than Redknapp did at the same stage of his career. According to wiki he spent his playing career preparing for management from his early twenties he was taking notes on the various managers he worked under and do his coaching badges. Joined Everton in 2002 since when he's made them the fifth most successful team in the Premier League. He's worked under very tricky conditions at time with no money to spend and his best players getting sold from underneath him. He's stayed loyal to his club and players.

6. Harry Redknapp

Of the above, when Harry goes, I'd like to see Moyes as one of the candidates to replace him.

 

[Mr Pink]

Barcelona, Real Madrid, tottenham are a load yids and we always take the north bank highbury....


I think from my earliest days as a spurs fan in the seventies that song has always been ringing around in my head. I'd seen us play Barca, and was there the night we took the north bank, but until last week the Real Madrid stanza had remained the unfulfilled dream.

Call me an old romantic, but just being there was what it was all about for me. Because being there meant we were something special. To be competing with AC MIlan in the San Siro and Madrid in the Bernabau meant we'd finally taken our place at the top table.

But eating at that top table is only possible with league success. We've won some great cups and I'd enjoyed them, but in my lifetime we've never really managed to be a genuine consistent league contender.

Smokey Robinson said a taste of honey is better than none at all, but that will never stop you wanting it on your crunchy nut corn flakes every day, because without it (and the nuts) they are just fucking cornflakes.

My big concern this whole run has been that it has come at the expense of league consistency and those handful of glory nights have cost a year, maybe five more dining at the table.

I personally would have happily gone out at the group stage if it had guaranteed us another top 4 finish. I would have happily left the trifecta unfulfilled - for another year at least anyway - to maintain our specialness.

Truth is, I don't think the CL is entirely to blame. I think, like Sloth, that our manager has his limitations, and they have been even more evident in the league than in the CL.

CL has been easy for him. Far easier to get players up for Inter Milan than for Wigan eh..

Even if you get your tactics wrong, when every player is buoyed up and wired for a big night, it compensates. It's making sure, like SAF and Mourinho that you treat Blackpool, Wolves and Wigan with the same respect, ferocity, the same energy. That's the trick.

I believed, foolishly that AC milan in the San Siro was an epiphany for Redknapp. It wasn't. It was yet another (a la EKotto/Bale) case of pure luck. Hudd, Modric, Bale and Jenas out clearly forced Redknapp's hand. Evidenced by his refusal to approach any single match since with the same pragmatism.

His tactics last night were utterly predictable. They were irrelevant because Real Madrid were better organised, with better players who WORKED HARDER.

This is Redknapp's biggest failing. To be outwitted by Mourinho is no crime. But to be outworked by Wigan or Wolves is.

He says it's a simple game. But one of the simplest of things that all good managers do is instil work ethic. It's what keeps top teams winning when they aren't playing so well. It's what makes good players great and great teams winners. You must work your nuts off when they have the ball to press it back, and when you have the ball you must keep moving for each other. Every single top team around europe do this. The best teams do it well.

What worries me is that Redknapp saw the fruits of this two years ago when he said as much after the Barca friendly. He saw it again in the San Siro when we did it to AC. In between and since he has failed to instil this as standard procedure.

I'm not knocking what Redknapp has achieved. He has clearly been good for the club and tactically he does try. Like Chelsea under Ranieri we have a tough choice IMO. Remove a beloved manager who clearly has ability. Or keep him here and accept a that we may never quite reach the very top of the table.

Believe me, I don't give a fuck that we have gone out of the CL. But I do give a fuck that a team as good as ours has thrown so many points away this season because of poor coaching and not so great tactics.

Stick, twist, or hit pontoon ? It's a toughie.

Ratings:

Gomes 4 - I like the fella, and for me he still saves us more than he costs us, but when he fucks up, he really fucks up.

Corluka 5 - If everyone else could play on quick sand he'd be great. They don't and it makes it look like he is at times.

Gallas 7 - Good game.

Dawson 7 - Good game.

Ekotto 6 - Good game but a couple of really poor pieces of defending. Runs out of the way of Ronaldo's shot, and got it all wrong a bit later when their guy ran at him.

Lennon 7.5 - I was actually really surprised Lennon was taken off. I thought he was having a very good game. Great run and cut back for Pav. Maybe it was to save him ?

Huddelstone 6 - Seemed a bit like a rabbit in headlights at the start, then recomposed himself, but as is often the case faded as the game went on. Had the sort of spell that Palacios gets ironic cheers for nearly gifting Adebayor a great opportunity.

Modric 7 - Worked really hard but at times was having to do too much donkey work. Occasionally found himself covering Hudd. This is one of those nights where he shouldn't be in CM. Wasted.

Bale 7 - Worked hard, and is it just me, or does Mr Bale seem to raise his effort for the big games ? Redknapp needs to get hold of him and make him understand that every game is a big game.

VDV 7 - worked really hard. I don't think his work ethic is always appreciated. Just having someone on their third who works them is worth about three Defoes and takes pressure off our midfield - which is vital when it consists of Bale, Modric, Hudd and Lennon. Not a tenacious presser amongst them. Pass of the night, inside two Madrid players, to Lennon. Sweetness.

Pav 6.5 - Good first half, faded second.


Redknapp 6 - we were never going to win 5-0. But his tactics were predictable and so were we. Madrid barely had to break a sweat to control that game. Beaten by a better side, but also out worked by them.

Thats a great point to be fair. Must say BC that I agree with the overall tone of this post.

 

[paddy30]

Modric and Thudd were our worst players last night.

All they did was give the ball away, im sick of seeing modric get brushed aside and then try and complain.

Thudd needs to look before he trys to place a pass.

At long last someone talking sense the 2 of them were absolutely rubbish modric as he did away to madrid spent more time passing the ball to the opposition and hudd kept goin backwards with it,seriously i wish this great love affair with modric would stop he was bad lets accept it and imo he cant cut it in the big games....what do people be watching

 

[mendesstormer]

1. Wenger - spends a lot on players wages, even if not on transfer fees. Has moulded three generations of first-class teams. Never not qualified for the CL, won the Premier League numerous times. Is the best team-builder in the business. They built a fucking stadium off the back of his teams success

2. SAF - Another DoF type manager like Wenger, not quite as good a talent spotter as Wenger, great motivator, only loses out to Wenger because his success has come off the back of a far larger budget than the frenchman's.

3= Dalglish and Ancelotti. Both have had tremendous success in the careers, they've won league titles with more than one club. Juries out slightly on each though, has Dalglish still got it? Ancelotti won a fair bit of his success in the era of match fixing in Italy.

5. David Moyes. Cut his teeth in the lower leagues with Preston where he enjoyed far more success than Redknapp did at the same stage of his career. According to wiki he spent his playing career preparing for management from his early twenties he was taking notes on the various managers he worked under and do his coaching badges. Joined Everton in 2002 since when he's made them the fifth most successful team in the Premier League. He's worked under very tricky conditions at time with no money to spend and his best players getting sold from underneath him. He's stayed loyal to his club and players.

6. Harry Redknapp

Of the above, when Harry goes, I'd like to see Moyes as one of the candidates to replace him.

I know this is going off topic, but it's an interesting debate, and it looks like DL will have to find the answer to this fairly soon. Personally, I'd say there's nothing much to choose between Moyes and Redknapp, though I think HR has a much more Spurs-y attacking philosophy which makes it easier to forgive the occasional lapses. Ancelotti - still unproven in the EPL really. He's certainly not doing that well this season, although the reasons are fairly clear. Dalglish, as you say the jury is very much out. Wenger - fantastic success in the past, struggling a little lately. Not sure he'd be a success at Spurs. SAF - obviously a great manager, but on the verge of retirement (presumably). Oh, and of course let's remember there's no way we'd get any of these, with the possible exception of Moyes. So what have you proved - probably that there's no other manager with PL experience who we could realistically get who would be definitely (or even probably) better than HR. Next ...

 

[hutchiniho]

VDV was running harder and further than anyone in the last 15/20 minutes. Stood out a mile for me, very pleasing to see.

 

[Mr Pink]

At long last someone talking sense the 2 of them were absolutely rubbish modric as he did away to madrid spent more time passing the ball to the opposition and hudd kept goin backwards with it,seriously i wish this great love affair with modric would stop he was bad lets accept it and imo he cant cut it in the big games....what do people be watching

Hudd might of been rusty, but he got better. Modric passing to the opposition...is that some sort of joke!

Love affair with Modric.....what the fuck are you on about?

You're clearly a WUM...he's our best player and has had an incredibile season, thats not really a matter of opinion either.

Those comments are a joke.

 

[worcestersauce]

Quite simple really, everybody played well and did their bit, Hudd looked a little off full match fitness and needs to get his passing eye back in but he'll soon will, thought the defence did well Pav made himself available all over the place Modders was everywhere, some lovely little touches from VDV one of which put through Lennon who had them worried and Bale had the beating of Ramos who sure needed the help of his shoulders elbows and one or two colleagues backing him up.

 

[OneHotspur1988]

Hudd might of been rusty, but he got better. Modric passing to the opposition...is that some sort of joke!

Love affair with Modric.....what the fuck are you on about?

You're clearly a WUM...he's our best player and has had an incredibile season, thats not really a matter of opinion either.

Those comments are a joke.

Fuck off mate. Your an idiot.

Take off your Rose tinted glasses and actually watch the games