EJWTartanSpur
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Some goal by Chillwell tbh to be able to head it and turn and stick his leg out and re-direct it in that sharply
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Cavehillspur
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West ham robbed shocking decision that
Cavehillspur
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And i see motd conveniently ignored Reece James kick out
13VanDerBale13
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Mendy is a disgrace
I feel a bit for Taylor and Oliver. That's a handball and a yellow without question in the Champions League and when he's at the World Cup this fall. So he spends probably 100 hours a year doing video training trying to apply the laws to what UEFA and FIFA want while on the weekend trying to apply a different standard in the PL.
I'm not a fan of nitpicking over refereeing decisioms and not gonna lie, it annoys the fuck out of me. Oh if this isn't a red card, why was it a red card in 2021. Like fuck that, I ain't interested.
One thing though that I've always maintained and still not sure why it's not been implemented is if you can't tell its offside without the fucking lines, then it isn't offside. None of this line drawing. Fuckin fed up of line drawings and shit. Watch it a hundred time on replay, that's fine, but no fuckin line drawings. If you can tell it is offside then fine, otherwise goal stands.
That ship has sailed. Starting with our CL game this week there will be technology accurate enough to determine offside within a centimeter. The idea is that people accept when goal line technology says the ball is over the line by a centimeter and that they will need to learn to accept when this new accurate technology says a player was offside by a centimeter. The days of the VAR drawing the lines are about to end.
OK and I despise that... I thought that was only in the world cup as a trial as it were. Its horrible.
UEFA announced a couple weeks ago that will be in place for all of the Champions League group stage.
I get that the lines are annoying, however, the goal line technology is matter of fact, so that is great.
With the lines, all of a sudden offside is matter of fact.
If someone's armpit is offside, then it's offside. I've got no issue with the way VAR handles offsides.
Now, would it be better if the rule was changed so that rather than any legal part of the body in an offside position = offside, to any legal part of the body in an onside position = onside. I'd be open to that.
13VanDerBale13
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Conte was right about VAR
I get the matter of fact bit but a toe being offside has no bearing on whether that player has an advantage over others in getting the ball
As for your suggestion, the issue is you still have the line issue which I think is what the majority have the issue with. Its nitpicking when we look at toes etc, should someone be punished for having a big toe haha.
As for referees in general, I think it is being blown out of all proportion. Some decisions have been crap like the spammers one today but overall I still think our referees and how we ref the game is far better than on the continent and further afield. I thought the refs performance for our game earlier was good.
My main issue right now with the PL is that they claim to have this super high bar to intervene, but that goes out the window when it comes to removing a goal/PK/red card like we saw today and in past weeks. If you have a high standard to give a PK/red/goal when the ref has decided against it via VAR because it's not clear and obvious, then a similarly high bar needs to be set when the ref does give a PK/red/goal to overturn it via VAR. And that clearly isn't the same standard because if it was, Newcastle and West Hams goals are never removed.
DenverSpur
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That works for me. I just find it annoying that a part of the body that has no involvement in scoring the goal is deemed to have given the scorer an advantage because it’s cms even mms ahead of the last defender’s bum!
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If VAR had been around in the day, Jimmy Greaves probably wouldn't have scored as many goals as he did. He was a real goal poacher that picked stuff up at the last second.
So here's some handball training information that is being taught to pro refs in UEFA through their training material that gets released twice per season called UEFA RAP and from FIFA's referee training material for national associations called FIFA RED.
At the professional level, a defender takes a risk of being punished with a handball when they are going to block a clear cross or shot and they have their arm significantly outside of the silhouette of the body. Referees are being trained to punish these at the professional level to prevent defenders from intentionally leaving their arms slightly away from their body in a position that can almost double the width of their body and dramatically increase their chance of blocking the shot.
Oliver of course as a Euros/CL/World Cup ref is very well up to date with this information. Probably more than a lot of his colleagues in England. The Forest handball is a clear foul in our upcoming CL games, most European leagues, and at the upcoming World Cup. His arm was just too far from the body taking up space. You can see examples below from recent training programs.
For what it's worth, I think the shot from Son in the first half today that Tim Ream blocked with his hand would be a PK in the CL. The shot was not unexpected and the defender was able to block a shot by intentionally leaving his arms slightly away from his body in what appears to be "natural position". Pro defenders are good at stuff like that.
Sorry to bore most of you with more ref stuff...
His arm (with the orange wristband) is extended away from his body blocking a clear shot on goal.
As fantastic a striker as Haarland is his overall play seems quite limited. Not good in the air and basically just an outstandingly brilliant striker with the ball at his feet.
charliemouse
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He barely moves either, he’s a fantastic goal scorer but offers little beyond scoring goals - which to be fair, he’s fucking amazing at.
IMO Tuchel is a bare faced liar.
If Leicester lose today is that it for Brenda ? Or does he walk ?
I just watched the latest VAR controversy and honestly, I think the West Ham player fouls the keeper. It looks like he stops moving his foot upward and over the keeper and instead lower it in order to give the keeper a kick. It's a foul.
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