Poch stays and trio are 'not in my plans'

[spursgirls]

Very disappointed to see Bentaleb and Pritchard summarily dismissed so easily. They're both very talented young players who have serious potential.

This makes me think it's more than simple football involved here. Possibly attitude problems or at least demands from the players for first team appearances which couldn't be met and so they wanted out.

Still very disappointing though. Bentaleb for sure I feel will go on to be a top CM either in the PL or Europe.

My thoughts exactly, on both points. Gutted Bentaleb is leaving.

 

[WiganSpur]

poch has obviously done a great job so far but he's not infallible. last summer lamela wasn't in his plans either and it was only the failure to land berahino that meant he didn't end up at marseille on loan.

Exactly. Brilliant point. Just because he moved Dier to CM successfully it doesn't mean he will able to do the same again.

I remember last summer deadline day SC was very divided on Lamela and I was one that was absolutely against him going. Would have been a shocking decision to loan him, as last season proved.

Now whilst I was pissed off about our lack of CM last summer, Dier proved to be a great solution, but that doesn't mean he's always right, as shown by how close Lamela was to Marseille.

 

[Spursidol]

The boss is staying and admits that Bentaleb, Pritchard and Fazio are off.

Thank goodness for that, on the Poch news. Shame about Pritchard. Thought he might make it at Spurs.

Do you have a link to the press conference where he said these things - the link in the article led to other pages of the paper and more skoda and other video ads.

 

[spurs9]

How long do you keep them if they don't fit your plans? Why do you keep them if they don't fit your plans?

12 months ago, he was our first choice CM at the age of 20, 1 bad season and you are asking how long we should keep him? If you were talking about 24 year old Carroll who has performed to the level Bentaleb had at 19, I would agree with you, but I don't see how Carroll is ahead, if we are basing the decision just on footballing reasons. Has to be something behind the scenes IMO other wise I fear it will be a big mistake.

 

[spurs9]

poch has obviously done a great job so far but he's not infallible. last summer lamela wasn't in his plans either and it was only the failure to land berahino that meant he didn't end up at marseille on loan.

I agree with you to an extent but Lamela was never ditched and told he wasn't in our plans like Bentaleb has been, so I think there has to be non footballing reasons behind this.

 

[tiger666]

12 months ago, he was our first choice CM at the age of 20, 1 bad season and you are asking how long we should keep him?

No, I was responding to Mullers remarks.

 

[thfc1973]

So I wonder if Nabil is not wanted for his attitude over his ability? And I also wonder if Carroll will be loaned out given the fact he's dropped down even further with the possibility of Academy players making the step up too as well as new additions coming into midfield?

 

[spurs9]

No, I was responding to Mullers remarks.

But @Mullers was just saying he would rather keep them longer (I presume to give them a chance).

I guess the term "not in out plans" is quite generic and without knowing specifically what he meant in regards to Bentaleb it's all moot.

 

[EQP]

Do you have a link to the press conference where he said these things - the link in the article led to other pages of the paper and more skoda and other video ads.

Video of Poch speaking on Njie, Pritch,Nabil etc

http://www.skysports.com/iframe/wid...z0aVNwb#ooid=5qM2R4NDE6yEw4d_C30cVeuZnz0aVNwb

 

[Locotoro]

I think he's pretty clear in naming them specifically and saying "they are not in my plans and they know".

 

[Ribble]

I don't think it has to be something so complex or unseen as attitude issues, much easier to look at the squad and ask "where would these players fit?"

Fazio - nowhere obviously!

Pritchard & Njie- would be what, 7th & 8th choice in the AM positions (Eriksen, Lamela, Alli, Son,Chadli, N'Koudou (possibly) ahead of them)? That's too many to justify keeping them, especially with Edwards progressing so much.

Bentaleb - doesn't really fit either role we employ in the CM setup as it stands. He's not got the defensive attributes to be the DM nor the dominance on the ball to be Dembele's backup. He's clearly got potential, but it's having the correct skillset that's more important.

 

[spurs9]

I don't think it has to be something so complex or unseen as attitude issues, much easier to look at the squad and ask "where would these players fit?"

Fazio - nowhere obviously!

Pritchard & Njie- would be what, 7th & 8th choice in the AM positions (Eriksen, Lamela, Alli, Son,Chadli, N'Koudou (possibly) ahead of them)? That's too many to justify keeping them, especially with Edwards progressing so much.

Bentaleb - doesn't really fit either role we employ in the CM setup as it stands. He's not got the defensive attributes to be the DM nor the dominance on the ball to be Dembele's backup. He's clearly got potential, but it's having the correct skillset that's more important.

He is more suited to play in our CM than Carroll or Mason, yet they both traveled and are seemingly in Poch's plans.

 

[beats1]

I don't think it has to be something so complex or unseen as attitude issues, much easier to look at the squad and ask "where would these players fit?"

Fazio - nowhere obviously!

Pritchard & Njie- would be what, 7th & 8th choice in the AM positions (Eriksen, Lamela, Alli, Son,Chadli, N'Koudou (possibly) ahead of them)? That's too many to justify keeping them, especially with Edwards progressing so much.

Bentaleb - doesn't really fit either role we employ in the CM setup as it stands. He's not got the defensive attributes to be the DM nor the dominance on the ball to be Dembele's backup. He's clearly got potential, but it's having the correct skillset that's more important.

He is more suited to play in our CM than Carroll or Mason, yet they both traveled and are seemingly in Poch's plans.

The funny thing is a year ago people said the exact same thing about Dembele

 

[spurs9]

The funny thing is a year ago people said the exact same thing about Dembele

Imagine the reaction you would have got 12 months ago if you had suggested Dier and Dembele would be our #1 choice for the CM pair.

 

[beats1]

Imagine the reaction you would have got 12 months ago if you had suggested Dier and Dembele would be our #1 choice for the CM pair.

I put my hands up and I didnt think it would work

In one sense we got lucky that Jan and Toby managed to get through the first half of the season without getting injured before Wimmer did step up but that isn't the point

I be honest I dont understand why we want to get rid of bentaleb at all and I think its even more stupid to announce. If we dont get a buyer then it leaves the potential for him to come back like Lamela and even Dembele was said by some ITK's to be leaving last December

 

[spurs9]

I put my hands up and I didnt think it would work

In one sense we got lucky that Jan and Toby managed to get through the first half of the season without getting injured before Wimmer did step up but that isn't the point

I be honest I dont understand why we want to get rid of bentaleb at all and I think its even more stupid to announce. If we dont get a buyer then it leaves the potential for him to come back like Lamela and even Dembele was said by some ITK's to be leaving last December

I think Wimmer would have stepped up at anytime.

Completely agree with the last paragraph and I can't understand the thinking behind wanting rid and certainly not announcing the fact we want rid.

 

[glospur]

Yes, publicly, it has been. I'm not talking about what Poch has said to them in private. I'm talking about the nature of his statement today.

But the decision and reasons for the decision aren't made in the public forum and thus not really relevant. They would come as a result of extensive deliberations between a number of people, including the player and agent, about the players ability to adhere to whatever criteria or standards Pochettino and his staff expect of the players.

It might seem a hasty decision to us - although given Bentableb's lack of involvement last season and rumours about his entourage, I'm not even sure it's that - but that surely wouldn't be the case within the club.

 

[Goofster]

Thought I read somewhere that we arr looking to loan out Bentaleb and sell the others so in that sense there still might be a Spurs future for Bentaleb. But listening to Pochettino's words it seems we want to part with him for good which makes me a bit sad. Would have felt more understandable if we were to loan him somewhere and have him play football every week. I feel that letting him go will come back and bite us like it did with Man Utd and Pogba..

 

[EQP]

Thought I read somewhere that we arr looking to loan out Bentaleb and sell the others so in that sense there still might be a Spurs future for Bentaleb. But listening to Pochettino's words it seems we want to part with him for good which makes me a bit sad. Would have felt more understandable if we were to loan him somewhere and have him play football every week. I feel that letting him go will come back and bite us like it did with Man Utd and Pogba..

It's all about the team though. We can't worry about how one player might become a superstar, especially if currently he's either a nuisance to the team chemistry or generally does not fit the team ethos or play style (all conjecture on my part).

 

[Bobbins]

But the decision and reasons for the decision aren't made in the public forum and thus not really relevant. They would come as a result of extensive deliberations between a number of people, including the player and agent, about the players ability to adhere to whatever criteria or standards Pochettino and his staff expect of the players.

It might seem a hasty decision to us - although given Bentableb's lack of involvement last season and rumours about his entourage, I'm not even sure it's that - but that surely wouldn't be the case within the club.

The comment is in reference to how it looks publicly - which isn't good, and has been commented on by several sources.

There's really no reason Poch couldn't have been at least a little bit more conciliatory towards the players in public. The short, sharp statement comes across exactly as it sounds, and is the sort of comment that doesn't go down very well with the fans. It's just unnecessary and could've been avoided.