Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[riggi]

I literally had to look all of those borough names up, might as well have been Moscow to me. We roll with the Leagrave Massive and the Sundon Park Ultras round this way.

Bloody northerners..

 

[Mr Pink]

No I agree. However after these ‘clear the air’ talks, dinner, result against red star etc, we all expected a loss against Liverpool.

If we fail to beat Everton next week though, that’s entirely different.

I wanted to see a more suited line up.

Tactically it was embarrassing as well. Those issues won't change even if we manage to beat Everton.

Not about winning one game anymore to save his job. It's about is he still the right man for the job long term?

I'd say no, as he's not learning and improving in these facets. He's also very stubborn which is affecting his ability to learn and improve.

Personally I've seen enough now, and we know the pattern isn't going to change.

For me it doesn't matter a fuck what we do at Everton.

 

[Ben1]

I still back him because I appreciate everything he’s done here and that we just have a period of painful transition and that’s the way it’s got to be.

But he’s not making it easy by continually picking players who are just not delivering any kind of performances.

We aren't in transition...at all.

This is the same group of players he keeps wheeling out from the last three years, despite his constant complaining about commitment.

The 'painful' rebuild still hasn't begun.

 

[Yiddo100]

I still back him because I appreciate everything he’s done here and that we just have a period of painful transition and that’s the way it’s got to be.

But he’s not making it easy by continually picking players who are just not delivering any kind of performances.

Have we even started the transition though? we know Vertonghen, Toby, Christian and rose will not be here next season yet he plays them every game. I’d be a lot more forgiving if we were playing the younger players and more committed players and losing every week.

 

[Mr Pink]

Painful rebuild lol

Of course it will be painful if it takes the guts of two seasons to integrate new players ?

Funny how Rhodri slotted into City's midfield immediately

 

[Escher]

Playing in that cowardly manner like we played against City, looking to scrape a draw - I've had enough, the club is becoming an embarrassment in many big games recently

 

[nedley]

I think I am still in the 'Poch in' camp. I didn't like his selection for the game today but he has given me the best 5 years of my time supporting spurs. I think that the performance today was ok - there was more urgency but we were playing a very good team and the result was fair. I do think we will beat Everton and we should give him the time and opportunity in January to refresh a couple of players.

Happy with Europa then?

 

[Graysonti]

Painful rebuild lol

Of course it will be painful if it takes the guts of two seasons to integrate new players ?

Funny how Rhodri slotted into City's midfield immediately

Exactly - I feel sorry for the people who pay to watch that shower week in week out, paying the most expensive prices for the privilege.

We have been awful for the best part of a year and I blame the manager first.

He is here to get results on money we can only dream of - and he cant even raise a smile.

 

[mill]

I literally had to look all of those borough names up, might as well have been Moscow to me. We roll with the Leagrave Massive and the Sundon Park Ultras round this way.

I thought you’d be more marsh farm

 

[scat1620]

I thought you’d be more marsh farm

Dunstable boy, actually - I'm posh, like @Navin R Johnson.

 

[Mr Pink]

Dunstable boy, actually - I'm posh, like @Navin R Johnson.

Be interesting to see a vote right now for Poch. A simple yes or no.

 

[danielneeds]

Have we even started the transition though? we know Vertonghen, Toby, Christian and rose will not be here next season yet he plays them every game. I’d be a lot more forgiving if we were playing the younger players and more committed players and losing every week.

The problem is that if he drops or ostracises all the senior players it will lead to an even more toxic environment at the training ground, which will lead to other problems. I think until Jan he’s trying to balance everything and keep things from spilling over. I’m sure we’ll see more of Lo Celso, Sessegnon and Foyth now they are fit, though.

 

[scat1620]

Be interesting to see a vote right now for Poch. A simple yes or no.

It would look like this:

VS

 

[dontcallme]

Still feeling frustrated.

Like I have maintained in the thread I only want Poch to stay if he is the right man to take us forward. I am starting to really question his methods because they don't appear to be reaping results.

I have heard him talk for a long time now about slow integration and building players into the team. In theory I agree with this. But one big benefit to this is the young players can integrate into the first team squad. For the most part he is failing to do this.

The argument for not playing the new signings until they are "Poch fit" doesn't work if the current players aren't running hard and able to do so.

It's just not working at the moment.

 

[mill]

The problem is that if he drops or ostracises all the senior players it will lead to an even more toxic environment at the training ground, which will lead to other problems. I think until Jan he’s trying to balance everything and keep things from spilling over. I’m sure we’ll see more of Lo Celso, Sessegnon and Foyth now they are fit, though.

I don’t see how January is gonna change much, how many of these players do you genuinely see leaving in January ?

 

[Phomesy]

Absolute garbage.

I don't know how you can say that when it's been clear from previous games that Ndombele starts blowing up very early in games that require hard defensive cover.

Blame it on our fitness team, sure, but don't pretend its not been a problem up until now.

Personally I'd play him anyway because I fucking love his passing range and vision but I ain't the manager and I don't have to account for when team structures break down because a central lynch pin can't go when others can.

 

[sparx100]

Happy with Europa then?

Of course I wouldn't be but I am not particularly keen on someone else coming in, ripping things up and starting another project.

 

[Ben1]

The problem is that if he drops or ostracises all the senior players it will lead to an even more toxic environment at the training ground, which will lead to other problems. I think until Jan he’s trying to balance everything and keep things from spilling over. I’m sure we’ll see more of Lo Celso, Sessegnon and Foyth now they are fit, though.

'Spilling over'...we haven't won away in yonks, can barely scrap a result at all in the league right now, 8 points off top 4, bottom half, 4 off the relegation zone.

Its spilt over.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't know how you can say that when it's been clear from previous games that Ndombele starts blowing up very early in games that require hard defensive cover.

Blame it on our fitness team, sure, but don't pretend its not been a problem up until now.

Personally I'd play him anyway because I fucking love his passing range and vision but I ain't the manager and I don't have to account for when team structures break down because a central lynch pin can't go when others can.

We don't know the exact extent of Ndombele's fitness levels.

What we do know though is that Poch constantly rotates even when there's adequate recovery between games.

It's like that's his priority before anything else, even the suited tactical approach for any given opponent.

 

[scat1620]

The argument for not playing the new signings until they are "Poch fit" doesn't work if the current players are running hard and able to do so.

I think this is a sizeable part of why we're tanking at the moment: I think most of the rest of the league have largely caught up with us (and in several cases, gone past us) in terms of player fitness, and we can no longer use rely on extra legs to get us out of jail when our quality or our tactics are letting us down.

And if the other teams in the league can match us for fitness, then Poch's preferred methodology of introducing new players (or players returning from injury) into the team really slowly over an interminably long period becomes a millstone around our necks rather than the price we are happy to pay in service of having a unique performance advantage.

I just don't believe that "Pochettino fitness" - and the selection sacrifices made to achieve it - is an effective thing any more, and worryingly it seems to be at least 50% of Poch's entire strategy.