Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[McFlash]

The lad's got to have some serious issues to behave the way he does and to treat his career in the way that he does.
It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[mil1lion]

Embarrassing. Cancel his contract. Waste of talent.

Well he is lazy but none of them are really working hard there, seems a very light casual kick about. Very strange warm up if you can even call it that.

 

[Flobadob]

Genuinely makes me really quite angry watching that clip. I only played at academy and semi-pro level in the past but I still look back on playing for Norwich as a teenager as an absolute privilege. It’s as good as you imagine it would be. You do what you love almost every day with the best equipment, facilities, coaches, pitches and treatment there is, it’s fucking fantastic, even playing with the other guys there is a privilege. I have great memories of having an absolute ball playing with some unreal players. Anyone that disrespects that privilege is a total mug, I’m sorry. He’s an absolute wank stain as far as I’m concerned.

 

[jay2040]

Genuinely makes me really quite angry watching that clip. I only played at academy and semi-pro level in the past but I still look back on playing for Norwich as a teenager as an absolute privilege. It’s as good as you imagine it would be. You do what you love almost every day with the best equipment, facilities, coaches, pitches and treatment there is, it’s fucking fantastic, even playing with the other guys there is a privilege. I have great memories of having an absolute ball playing with some unreal players. Anyone that disrespects that privilege is a total mug, I’m sorry. He’s an absolute wank stain as far as I’m concerned.

At least a wank stain would be a sign of something achieved , I think he is like the stain that never came!

 

[Cornpattbuck]

He has taken too much from our club and really don't wish us to give him more resources.
Pay the fucker and get rid of any association with our club.

He'd get the money owed from us in your situation, and be able to sign a new contract on top of the that with the Saudis or some other mugs. Double bubble.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Well he is lazy but none of them are really working hard there, seems a very light casual kick about. Very strange warm up if you can even call it that.

Probably more of an indication of the attitude to the Turkish league. Seems to be a place where faded players go to retire.

 

[joshua_snodgras]

At this level all footballers are set for life 10 x over. What is it that makes some still have drive and desire to be the very best once they've made it e.g Ronaldo, Kane etc and others just couldn't give a fuck Ndombele (and plenty of others). Considering how hard they all must have trained to make it in the first place, i can only think they are loaded and have lost the desire, just a shame we picked the rotter for our record signing

 

[gavspur]

If I was putting that effort in to my day job, I’d be sacked. The guy is a waster. Such a talent, but not got a clue.

 

[Flobadob]

At this level all footballers are set for life 10 x over. What is it that makes some still have drive and desire to be the very best once they've made it e.g Ronaldo, Kane etc and others just couldn't give a fuck Ndombele (and plenty of others). Considering how hard they all must have trained to make it in the first place, i can only think they are loaded and have lost the desire, just a shame we picked the rotter for our record signing

It’s quite rare though. Most have the self respect and respect for others having been given that opportunity (many work just as hard and aren’t given the opportunity, I’ve come across several lads with immense talent that never had the opportunities that I did for example) and are grateful, see it as an absolute privilege and make the absolute most of it. Personally there is no angle I can look at it from and not see N’dombele as a man I have no respect for. Lots of players have mental health problems and STILL give it their all. Look at Aaron Lennon for example, he struggled badly but I very much doubt there is a fan of any club he represented that wouldn’t say he was a fantastic professional that gave 100%. I loved Lennon, I feel he deserves a lot of love and respect from our fan base, which he does generally and that’s great to see.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Can anyone explain to me why we would have given him a 5 year 200k a week deal when he was on around 35k at Lyon?

You'd think doubling his wages, or even going to 100k he'd have been over the moon. Dude's agent must have a huge cock.

 

[jay2040]

Can anyone explain to me why we would have given him a 5 year 200k a week deal when he was on around 35k at Lyon?

You'd think doubling his wages, or even going to 100k he'd have been over the moon. Dude's agent must have a huge cock.

You will find the answer earlier on in the thread!

 

[McFlash]

Can anyone explain to me why we would have given him a 5 year 200k a week deal when he was on around 35k at Lyon?

You'd think doubling his wages, or even going to 100k he'd have been over the moon. Dude's agent must have a huge cock.

Because by all accounts, Poch wanted him badly and we were fighting to get him ahead of a lot of big clubs.
He was hot property at the time and he was supposed to be a bit of a statement signing, the sign of things to come.
It backfired spectacularly.

 

[UncleBuck]

It’s quite rare though. Most have the self respect and respect for others having been given that opportunity (many work just as hard and aren’t given the opportunity, I’ve come across several lads with immense talent that never had the opportunities that I did for example) and are grateful, see it as an absolute privilege and make the absolute most of it. Personally there is no angle I can look at it from and not see N’dombele as a man I have no respect for. Lots of players have mental health problems and STILL give it their all. Look at Aaron Lennon for example, he struggled badly but I very much doubt there is a fan of any club he represented that wouldn’t say he was a fantastic professional that gave 100%. I loved Lennon, I feel he deserves a lot of love and respect from our fan base, which he does generally and that’s great to see.

I think that says it all though, anyone with an ounce of self respect pulls their socks up and puts it in for the team as they don’t want to show themselves up, it’s all about having a bit of pride and respect for your team mates and not wanting to make yourself look like a first grade knob.
Which unfortunately he has

 

[Gilzeanking]

Because by all accounts, Poch wanted him badly and we were fighting to get him ahead of a lot of big clubs.
He was hot property at the time and he was supposed to be a bit of a statement signing, the sign of things to come.
It backfired spectacularly.

He had spectacular YT best skills videos.

Hopefully that wasn't the reason....but one wonders.

 

[Locotoro]

It’s quite rare though. Most have the self respect and respect for others having been given that opportunity (many work just as hard and aren’t given the opportunity, I’ve come across several lads with immense talent that never had the opportunities that I did for example) and are grateful, see it as an absolute privilege and make the absolute most of it. Personally there is no angle I can look at it from and not see N’dombele as a man I have no respect for. Lots of players have mental health problems and STILL give it their all. Look at Aaron Lennon for example, he struggled badly but I very much doubt there is a fan of any club he represented that wouldn’t say he was a fantastic professional that gave 100%. I loved Lennon, I feel he deserves a lot of love and respect from our fan base, which he does generally and that’s great to see.

I think i've mentioned in another thread or maybe even this one. I suspect Ndombele doesnt have a mental health problem but to my "medically untrained" eye he does a mental problem.

Ndomdele's past is littered with instances of being told he wouldn't make it - even up to the present day (too overweight, too lazy, too injury prone, dropped from Guincamp at 16, subsequently trailing at a lot of Ligue 1 clubs and not making the cut reportedly for being overweight, even at that early age, despite being the most gifted player technically. When you go through that type of cycle in your formative years of being told you're lazy, you're fat, you're not working hard enough it manifests as one of two ways. The first, it becomes a source of motivation that everyone around you is telling you you're no good (whatever the reason) and your defensive instincts are to bite back and say "Fuck you, i'm going to prove this shit head wrong and then we'll see who is no good". We saw that with his reaction to Mourinho's criticism and earlier in his career when he hired a PT to get fit and come back stronger. It lead him to moves to Lyon and bossing the Man City team in the UCL. The problem with this kind of psychological motivation is that its not sustainable and its not healthy. Constantly proving people wrong builds a siege mentality and keeps you from actually being able to enjoy your success outside of having told someone to fuck off.

The second way it manifests is more destructive. It manifests as "fuck you, i do what i like" - Ndombele has already achieved financial levels of achievment that most top level footballers don't achieve in a lifetime and so "all those that said i wasnt going to make it can kiss my arse now whilst i chowdown on this burger". It becomes self defeating and self destructive because you end up not caring about that success that you tried to achieve because you didnt get that enjoyment from fulfiling it - "so what does it matter if i'm putting on weight, im rich so who gives a fuck, none of these clowns have what i have".

Unfortunately, its all wrapped up in lack of self worth and lack of enjoyment from his own relative success that takes a long time to undo, in my case years of therapy. My take having gone through semi-pro and academy football - Is he lazy? Yes. Is he squandering his talent? Yes. Should he be grateful? Yes. Does he know how to do that? Probably not, because he's spent most of his formative and young adult years taking credit for his success himself in spite of all those around him and when you're motivated by destructive means it becomes a sense of entitlement rather than a privilege.

 

[Locotoro]

I think that says it all though, anyone with an ounce of self respect pulls their socks up and puts it in for the team as they don’t want to show themselves up, it’s all about having a bit of pride and respect for your team mates and not wanting to make yourself look like a first grade knob.
Which unfortunately he has

Not if he's thinking "fuck the team, they all call me fat anyway or everyone calls me a knob anyway so i may as well look out for me".

Motiviation and pride works more than one way

 

[Cult of Ange High Priest]

I think i've mentioned in another thread or maybe even this one. I suspect Ndombele doesnt have a mental health problem but to my "medically untrained" eye he does a mental problem.

Ndomdele's past is littered with instances of being told he wouldn't make it - even up to the present day (too overweight, too lazy, too injury prone, dropped from Guincamp at 16, subsequently trailing at a lot of Ligue 1 clubs and not making the cut reportedly for being overweight, even at that early age, despite being the most gifted player technically. When you go through that type of cycle in your formative years of being told you're lazy, you're fat, you're not working hard enough it manifests as one of two ways. The first, it becomes a source of motivation that everyone around you is telling you you're no good (whatever the reason) and your defensive instincts are to bite back and say "Fuck you, i'm going to prove this shit head wrong and then we'll see who is no good". We saw that with his reaction to Mourinho's criticism and earlier in his career when he hired a PT to get fit and come back stronger. It lead him to moves to Lyon and bossing the Man City team in the UCL. The problem with this kind of psychological motivation is that its not sustainable and its not healthy. Constantly proving people wrong builds a siege mentality and keeps you from actually being able to enjoy your success outside of having told someone to fuck off.

The second way it manifests is more destructive. It manifests as "fuck you, i do what i like" - Ndombele has already achieved financial levels of achievment that most top level footballers don't achieve in a lifetime and so "all those that said i wasnt going to make it can kiss my arse now whilst i chowdown on this burger". It becomes self defeating and self destructive because you end up not caring about that success that you tried to achieve because you didnt get that enjoyment from fulfiling it - "so what does it matter if i'm putting on weight, im rich so who gives a fuck, none of these clowns have what i have".

Unfortunately, its all wrapped up in lack of self worth and lack of enjoyment from his own relative success that takes a long time to undo, in my case years of therapy. My take having gone through semi-pro and academy football - Is he lazy? Yes. Is he squandering his talent? Yes. Should he be grateful? Yes. Does he know how to do that? Probably not, because he's spent most of his formative and young adult years taking credit for his success himself in spite of all those around him and when you're motivated by destructive means it becomes a sense of entitlement rather than a privilege.

For me the struggle has been to keep from self-sabotaging myself anytime I get close to a significant success in life, which stems from a deeply held belief that I don't truly deserve to be successful or happy. He might have a little bit of that going on, too.

 

[mano-obe]

We always get polls about our worst r ever player. Some mention players who only played 1 game for a nominal fee. Ridiculous.

This guy cost 55m quid, when we desperately needed him to perform he couldn't be arsed half the time.

For me he would have to go down as our worst signing ever. Fee, effort, and medicoure performances. There may have been a couple of brilliant games but that doesn't convince me still

Sanchez had a ridiculous fee too but he always at least tried

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Not if he's thinking "fuck the team, they all call me fat anyway or everyone calls me a knob anyway so i may as well look out for me".

Motiviation and pride works more than one way

He's had plenty praise and hype too. Look early on. That didn't work either.

Blokes a.waster. a wealthy one mind. And when most people dont earn anywhere near that are grafting their cocks and fannies off for pittance, rightly or not, they are going to think he's a bit of a naughty word. All he has to do, is train and play a game. Really.

If he's finding that difficult. He should try the real world of work. Where plenty of people in his circumstances have had to.

There's never going to be any sympathy from most corners for this guy.

 

[Locotoro]

For me the struggle has been to keep from self-sabotaging myself anytime I get close to a significant success in life, which stems from a deeply held belief that I don't truly deserve to be successful or happy. He might have a little bit of that going on, too.

It's crippling and I feel your pain. I'm 40 and I'd like to think I've been relatively successful in the fields I've worked in (not as a footballer unfortunately) but I've never truly enjoyed any of my success. It's taken me until the last 12 months to really understand how early and adolescent development impacted me and started me down the pathway that I'm moving away from.

I look at Ndombele and I see someone who just doesn't give a shit and probably doesn't know why