Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[TPdYID]

Shape up or ship out time for him.

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[wrd]

The way I see things, 50% effort from him still makes him our most creative, press resistant midfielder. We are going to need that this season.

I think with Nuno, 50% won't cut it, he'll pick Skipp and Dele if they're putting in more effort every time, however I think with Tanguy there's an element of needing to feel the trust of the manager by getting a run of games and then he starts to enjoy his football and life and we will see that effort. As I say I'm glad it's Nuno because I think he has the right management style to have a direct chat with Tanguy and show him that he's worth trusting and I just hope Ndombele returns the favour by putting in the effort. The type of effort we saw in a few of those early europa games for example last season.

 

[fridgemagnet]

Well looks like his two best mates are gone!

Quite honestly (and with a massive dose of optimism) I think this will help, it's time to stop babying the bloke and get him to grow up; I was hoping we'd make a signing and get Ndombele to be the one to take them under his wing and with that added responsibility that maybe just maybe he'd mature a lot!

Am I naive? Probably, am I hopeful? I have to be, I do know if we can fire this bloke up we should become a much different beast, am I optimistic? I'm a Spurs fan!

 

[sundanceyid10]

Quite honestly (and with a massive dose of optimism) I think this will help, it's time to stop babying the bloke and get him to grow up; I was hoping we'd make a signing and get Ndombele to be the one to take them under his wing and with that added responsibility that maybe just maybe he'd mature a lot!

Am I naive? Probably, am I hopeful? I have to be, I do know if we can fire this bloke up we should become a much different beast, am I optimistic? I'm a Spurs fan!

He is a grown man and a professional though, none of that should be necessary. If you can’t motivate yourself you arnt going to go very far in life, football or whatever you do. He is an expensive and at this point hard to shift mistake.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I just get the feeling he doesn't take football seriously enough. It's all a game, he always seems laughing and joking and messing around. To be honest a bit like Aurier was like. Always fooling around. You look at the top players and they have a cold hard desire to win. Obsessed with it. Ultra competitive etc.

Tanguy just seems like a joker, with loads of natural talent but none of the top level mental side of the game.

The problem we've got is, without him firing in our midfield we don't have a top 4 midfield. If he could hit form, he would transform us.

So all we can go is hope Nuno finds a way of getting him going, but I'm not confident.

The first part of your post is pure conjecture and I would say is biased based on your own views of what a “serious pro” should behave like. Son jokes around a hell of a lot, always laughing and smiling and larking around and yet his attitude is never in question.

The last part of your post I very much agree with though… very frustrating that he’s been so disappointing and yet we need him creatively.

 

[slartibartfast]

He is a grown man and a professional though, none of that should be necessary. If you can’t motivate yourself you arnt going to go very far in life, football or whatever you do. He is an expensive and at this point hard to shift mistake.

Be like Arsenal trying to get a tune out of Ozil. Waste of time.

 

[Metalhead]

I think with Nuno, 50% won't cut it, he'll pick Skipp and Dele if they're putting in more effort every time, however I think with Tanguy there's an element of needing to feel the trust of the manager by getting a run of games and then he starts to enjoy his football and life and we will see that effort. As I say I'm glad it's Nuno because I think he has the right management style to have a direct chat with Tanguy and show him that he's worth trusting and I just hope Ndombele returns the favour by putting in the effort. The type of effort we saw in a few of those early europa games for example last season.

I agree that Nuno seems the sort that would try and work on a relationship with him but the vibe that we're getting doesn't fill me with optimism that there is going to be any breakthrough. I fear - well a lot of us fear that we're left with a very expensive flop. It wouldn't be so bad if he turned out not be very talented but he clearly is.

 

[fridgemagnet]

He is a grown man and a professional though, none of that should be necessary. If you can’t motivate yourself you arnt going to go very far in life, football or whatever you do. He is an expensive and at this point hard to shift mistake.

I agree with you to a point, problem is we don't know if he has deep mental issues or personal trauma in his childhood etc, there's been reports his application wasn't great at the lower stages of his career, we don't know exactly what it is, you'd like to think recently becoming a parent would've done something but speaking from what I've witnessed this isn't a guaranteed thing either these days.

We all think we'd like to behave a certain way if we were professional footballers but reality is we don't have the first clue!

Maybe he only went pro to make a few quid a week to help his family out of some shitty situation, however many years in he's realised he no longer wants/needs that life.

Like it or lump it we're stuck together until at least January and for circa 50-60 million invested it'd certainly be worth getting him a sit down with Steve Peters for a few sessions!

If he wants to leave it's quite simple; tell him to put in the effort and play for one in January, if someone come in then with an appropriate offer and he wants out bad enough, give up his agent fees, bonus' and wage demands and accept what suits all parties. Or sit out, sulk, get fined have your contract annulled but don't be surprised if the terms stipulate you cannot sign for another club for what's left on the duration of your contract.

I'm not trying to feel sorry for him or keep making excuses just the simple truths are we don't know everything, I don't particularly wish him to be here and be unhappy purely on a human level, I understand peoples frustrations.
At the same time I am fed up with footballers holding clubs to ransom, if you want out then lower your own demands, personally fund your agents fees and forgo your bonus' etc.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

He is going to have to play himself into form to get himself a good move away. If he keeps himself where he is he will watch his career disintegrate around him. I know its all ifs, but if he does lift himself up it will be win win for Spurs. We can get a good price for him or maybe he enjoys himself here and he stays.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Quite honestly (and with a massive dose of optimism) I think this will help, it's time to stop babying the bloke and get him to grow up; I was hoping we'd make a signing and get Ndombele to be the one to take them under his wing and with that added responsibility that maybe just maybe he'd mature a lot!

Am I naive? Probably, am I hopeful? I have to be, I do know if we can fire this bloke up we should become a much different beast, am I optimistic? I'm a Spurs fan!

This is a good point, hopefully now he has no choice but to knuckle down without his 2 mates that also weren't being involved. He will probably feel more alone now and that could be a good thing for his training (fingers crossed).

 

[Real_madyidd]

I agree with you to a point, problem is we don't know if he has deep mental issues or personal trauma in his childhood etc, there's been reports his application wasn't great at the lower stages of his career, we don't know exactly what it is, you'd like to think recently becoming a parent would've done something but speaking from what I've witnessed this isn't a guaranteed thing either these days.

We all think we'd like to behave a certain way if we were professional footballers but reality is we don't have the first clue!

This is spot on. He may need more people around him, more support, more love. Being a pro footballer abroad can be very hard, they can suffer culture shock the same as anybody who has lived abroad can. They can be lonely, they can feel like a cash machine for their families. We absolutely need to try and help him, just because he is rich and talented doesn't mean we can just say "well you have loads of cash, get on with it".

 

[double0]

I agree with you to a point, problem is we don't know if he has deep mental issues or personal trauma in his childhood etc, there's been reports his application wasn't great at the lower stages of his career, we don't know exactly what it is, you'd like to think recently becoming a parent would've done something but speaking from what I've witnessed this isn't a guaranteed thing either these days.

We all think we'd like to behave a certain way if we were professional footballers but reality is we don't have the first clue!

Maybe he only went pro to make a few quid a week to help his family out of some shitty situation, however many years in he's realised he no longer wants/needs that life.

Like it or lump it we're stuck together until at least January and for circa 50-60 million invested it'd certainly be worth getting him a sit down with Steve Peters for a few sessions!

If he wants to leave it's quite simple; tell him to put in the effort and play for one in January, if someone come in then with an appropriate offer and he wants out bad enough, give up his agent fees, bonus' and wage demands and accept what suits all parties. Or sit out, sulk, get fined have your contract annulled but don't be surprised if the terms stipulate you cannot sign for another club for what's left on the duration of your contract.

I'm not trying to feel sorry for him or keep making excuses just the simple truths are we don't know everything, I don't particularly wish him to be here and be unhappy purely on a human level, I understand peoples frustrations.
At the same time I am fed up with footballers holding clubs to ransom, if you want out then lower your own demands, personally fund your agents fees and forgo your bonus' etc.

As you said we don't know everything that's going on at the same time I totally agree that players wanting to leave should lower their demands, buy out their contracts if they so desperately want out. note the club also play hard ball so it works both ways. Bale for example showed his colours it was all about money imo whereas William at Arsenal was the complete opposite example.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Think he just needs to be thrown in to a Euro game and to start the process of getting up to speed. He's been in training after all. He may be huffing and puffing and need to be subbed etc., We've seen it before but think he just needs to play football again. It'll do him and Tottenham good.

 

[pistolP]

This was my reaction. In the current market, the debate should be less about getting our money back, and more about how we could reinvest it in the current market.

No way is he worth 50m. He comes with massive baggage and uncertainty. I'd have taken markedly less than that - i.e. replacing him directly with Neves would surely have made sense?

Yea right, we should sell him for £10 million.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Yea right, we should sell him for £10 million.

Markedly means a 50m discount does it? What a stupid post.

How about the following - would have you contemplated a straight swap with (for instance) Neves, who we're hearing was available for 40m?

If the answer is yes, or maybe, it tells you the value of the player (to us) is wrong

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

His 2 best mates gone now. Wonder if he’s going to step up now he can’t move or sulk

 

[Gassin's finest]

Got a feeling he might have settled into a comfort zone with Aurier, and thinks he can't be happy at the club without his mate. This could be a good opportunity to see if he responds better without that influence. There's an absolute baller there, that would solve our creativity problems.

 

[pistolP]

Markedly means a 50m discount does it? What a stupid post.

How about the following - would have you contemplated a straight swap with (for instance) Neves, who we're hearing was available for 40m?

If the answer is yes, or maybe, it tells you the value of the player (to us) is wrong

You are the foolish and stupid one for suggesting we give him away on the cheap because he is not worth £50 million. You are the fool for insulting someone you have never met, keyboard warrior.

 

[hyperterric2004]

Come on Tanguy, sort yourself out. You the player I really wanted at the club. You have the potential to be one of the best players in the Premier League. Get yourself back in the side and let the real Tanguy Ndombele please stand up. Be my hero! COYS!!!!

 

[chrisd2k]

You'd hope the fact no-one wanted to take a chance on him would open his eyes a bit to put more effort in.

You'd hope...