Player Watch Player Watch: Richarlison

[shoggy33]

For me, good enough would be:

1. Minimum of a 1 in 3 scoring rate (which he has managed a couple of times, but not since the 20-21 season).
2. Pressing effectively (that he can definitely do!).
3. Providing a focal point for our a attack (has shown this to an extent).
4. Creating space for others in the final third and/or creating chances for others (has shown this to an extent).

If he doesn't achieve all of 2, 3 & 4, I would suggest he needs to be offering a scoring rate of 1 in 2.

Does that sound fair?

Yeh seems fair. Let's see, not looking good for him after Sons performance yesterday but then that was almost the perfect game for Son with so much space to play in and there won't be too many others like that this year so Richarlison will still get his chances.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

He just isn’t good enough. He’s a lower half PL player. I don’t care too much about the international thing because there have been many players who are good for their country but not great at club level.

His touch is terrible, the ball bounces off him so much. He has a poor football brain too imo and no pace. Look how much more fluid we looked in attack with Son today. More dynamic, faster, smoother and more dangerous.

If we could get anywhere near the money we paid for him, I’d take it in a heartbeat and use the money to continue rebuilding our attack.

 

[ReadieSpur]

Still think he will play his part.

He is emotional and he does let things get to him.

But at the same time he has a strong mentality as thats what has made him that player.

For Brazil and at Watford and Everton, he was that 'clutch' player.

Would score goals in tense or important situations.

He is probably doing a lot of overthinking and every little thing that goes wrong gets to him.

But thats the kind of player he is. He kinda 'feels' the game rather than keeps a calm head in all situations.

I disagree that he has a strong mentality. He seems very emotionally immature and let's his head drop so easily.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

I think if he would have started yesterday he would have scored. Maybe not a hatrick though, when he came on the game went very flat and we didnt really create any quality chance of note.

He does need to figure this out though for sure, the poor form cant go on forever but he did score a good goal in the cup and i think many are making him the new scapegoat. I wasnt 100% on board with his signing, but he is fully COYS now so have to have some faith he will improve.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I think if he would have started yesterday he would have scored. Maybe not a hatrick though, when he came on the game went very flat and we didnt really create any quality chance of note.

He does need to figure this out though for sure, the poor form cant go on forever but he did score a good goal in the cup and i think many are making him the new scapegoat. I wasnt 100% on board with his signing, but he is fully COYS now so have to have some faith he will improve.

Sorry, but I thought I will respectfully disagree as IMHO if he started yesterday, we may not have won the game. Son's positioning for all his goals and touch for his first were something currently truly lacking in Richy play. And Son wouldn't be in those spaces had Richy played. Not sure would Son be even scoring in a game being played together with Richy.

Of course my point is also hypothetical, but just judging at the current confidence level of the team, Son does has a higher conversion rate and possibility of scoring, hence my reasoning.

 

[amathews3416]

I'm a bit worried, for these reasons, that Richie will become a new player we'll have trouble shipping on.

Disagree. In terms of worldwide profile he is right up there on our squad with only Sonny being more name recognition. That has a lot to do with being Brazil's #9, but I have no doubt he is the exact type of profile that one of the Saudi clubs would spend big money on. I think we could easily recoup the cost on him. Ancelotti has also been keen to bring him to Real Madrid as well, as he loves Richy and highly rates him.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

Sorry, but I thought I will respectfully disagree as IMHO if he started yesterday, we may not have won the game. Son's positioning for all his goals and touch for his first were something currently truly lacking in Richy play. And Son wouldn't be in those spaces had Richy played. Not sure would Son be even scoring in a game being played together with Richy.

Of course my point is also hypothetical, but just judging at the current confidence level of the team, Son does has a higher conversion rate and possibility of scoring, hence my reasoning.

We will never know, that's for sure. I don't think he would have scored 3, and I am not defending his current form, he needs to get whatever monkey he has on his back and actually start to perform to a consistent level, but some of the sentiment in this thread is the same nonsense (not your post by the way) that is just pure hyperbole, especially when a play is deemed "the replacement" like Lamela was for Bale.

He needs to fix whatever he needs to fix, the opportunity for the number 9 role was his to take and he hasn't done it yet and if he wants it, he has seen in Son what sort of performance he needs to put in.

 

[ero1x]

Son looks wasted on the wing to me, I’d put Richie out wide and try Son in the middle

I agree Son is done on the wing, but he can't hold the ball up and he can't occupy defenders physically. I don't think I've seen him compete for headers more than a handful of times.

I think Son is basically on a sharp decline now and Richi just isn't a great fit.

IMO we need a top CF in ASAP.

Trouble with Son in the middle is he coughs up possession way too much and isn't good with his back to goal. He's OK there if we're counter attacking but that isn't how we play now.

It’s taken a couple weeks but I rest my case guys

 

[carpediem991]

He just isn’t good enough. He’s a lower half PL player. I don’t care too much about the international thing because there have been many players who are good for their country but not great at club level.

His touch is terrible, the ball bounces off him so much. He has a poor football brain too imo and no pace. Look how much more fluid we looked in attack with Son today. More dynamic, faster, smoother and more dangerous.

If we could get anywhere near the money we paid for him, I’d take it in a heartbeat and use the money to continue rebuilding our attack.

I gave him a free hit under Conte but so far I am afraid I need to agree. I really expected more individual quality by him. Obviously he gets more chances to prove me wrong but there is not a lot that indicates he can lead our line succesfully. With Brennan Johnson coming and Solomon showing promising signs, I think he needs to wait a bit to get another start in the league. And rightly so.

 

[floydiohead]

He just isn’t good enough. He’s a lower half PL player. I don’t care too much about the international thing because there have been many players who are good for their country but not great at club level.

His touch is terrible, the ball bounces off him so much. He has a poor football brain too imo and no pace. Look how much more fluid we looked in attack with Son today. More dynamic, faster, smoother and more dangerous.

If we could get anywhere near the money we paid for him, I’d take it in a heartbeat and use the money to continue rebuilding our attack.

Regrettably I entirely agree. I would have flogged him this window even if it meant a £20m loss on him - assuming if course that our Dear Leader were minded to replace him...

 

[ero1x]

I gave him a free hit under Conte but so far I am afraid I need to agree. I really expected more individual quality by him. Obviously he gets more chances to prove me wrong but there is not a lot that indicates he can lead our line succesfully. With Brennan Johnson coming and Solomon showing promising signs, I think he needs to wait a bit to get another start in the league. And rightly so.

Have to agree with this, I also feel he may prove more effective coming in off the wings.
I (maybe naively) don’t believe he’s a dud and feel it’s way too soon to write him off… I just feel he’s trying too hard and needs to relax a little, forget the fancy flicks, go back to basics, and keep things simple.
Regardless of the amount we paid, he hasn’t actually earned the right to be a starter IMO and a little time on the bench shouldn’t do him any harm. As long as he stays committed he’ll get more chances to impress as the the season progresses.

 

[TimNiceButDim]

How bloody awesome would it be if Richy could just pick up a bit of confidence and show just some of the talent he did at Everton?

Having a pacey, lethal finisher in Son with the more physical, pressing Richy would give us a totally new dimension in attack.

Being able to call on either option, pending on what type of defence we’re facing, would be invaluable.

Come on bud - you can do it, we believe in you!

 

[TOLBINY]

A lot of us have a soft spot for Richarlison because he puts in the effort (by and large) and we can see the pain / dissapointment on his face when things don't go his way. Sadly I just don't see it changing anytime soon and he (along with Nodomeble) will serve as a reminder for everyone on SC that big transfer fees alone provide no certainty.

 

[Kirito]

Son was his world class self against Burnley, if he maintains anywhere near that level in the next couple of games then Richarlison will spend most of the season on the bench and rightly so.

In Sonny we have one of the best players the prem has seen, cant be ignored just because he had a bad season under Conte after everyone had worked us out.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Yeh seems fair. Let's see, not looking good for him after Sons performance yesterday but then that was almost the perfect game for Son with so much space to play in and there won't be too many others like that this year so Richarlison will still get his chances.

The two players offer something very different as a no.9, so I agree there will definitely be opportunities for both.

In games where we're looking to exploit space, like last weekend, moving Son central and adding another LW potentially gives us more pace in two positions, despite it only being one change to the line-up.

In games where there isn't much space and there's more need for a CF with decent hold-up play / aerial ability, Son's apparent slight loss of pace (does seem to have lost at least half a yard, which isn't surprising at 31), is less of an issue on the wing.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Will have a part to play this season for sure but Sonny up top is clearly our best option, Johnson can also play up top too.

Lets see how the season goes but it seems like Richy was very much a 'Conte signing' and could quite possibly be sold and replaced next summer if he doesn't impress this season over the whole season.

 

[homer hotspur]

Will have a part to play this season for sure but Sonny up top is clearly our best option, Johnson can also play up top too.

Lets see how the season goes but it seems like Richy was very much a 'Conte signing' and could quite possibly be sold and replaced next summer if he doesn't impress this season over the whole season.

With that in mind, it's important he keeps his position as Brazil 's number 9 as that is an attraction, especially for the top Spanish clubs

 

[Klinsmannic]

With that in mind, it's important he keeps his position as Brazil 's number 9 as that is an attraction, especially for the top Spanish clubs

The only clubs that have any money there are Real and Barca (and even they're a basket case at the moment). Can't see them or any of the other big European clubs paying a sizeable fee for him sadly. A PL team is probably out best bet, but even then I struggle to see a club paying big money (West Ham at a pinch?).

 

[mark87]

He's not wrong.

 

[coysjod]

He's not wrong.

And that’s how Richy earned a place in the team forever