Ex-Player Watch Player watch: Jan Vertonghen

[ljinko888]

Sad watching him out there today. He's not physically up to it anymore and it's affecting his confidence on the ball. Never seen him aimlessly chip the ball to no one as he has done in recent games.

 

[dtxspurs]

Sad watching him out there today. He's not physically up to it anymore and it's affecting his confidence on the ball. Never seen him aimlessly chip the ball to no one as he has done in recent games.

Yep, he used to be so good at dribbling past the oncoming forward and then assessing his options. Now he just whacks it. Really hope he can move on to Ajax.

Don't know why Sanchez didn't play today.

 

[dtxspurs]

Also, by no means did Toby do well their goal but Jan slowly jogging back certainly did us no favors. If he is sprinting back he might get close enough force Ings to do something different. Instead he's all by himself with Gazzaniga in our box.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Sad watching him out there today. He's not physically up to it anymore and it's affecting his confidence on the ball. Never seen him aimlessly chip the ball to no one as he has done in recent games.

Probably more that his head is somewhere else, similar to Eriksen.

 

[ClintEastwould]

It’s starting to become apparent to me that he’s regressing as I’ve been a bit apprehensive because literally everyone looks shit as well but yeah it’s happening. I however am not advocating shipping him off unceremoniously mid season as we did Dembele last season. Nope.

 

[Graysonti]

Let’s all remember what a brilliant player he has been for us whatever the reasons behind his form.

 

[archiewasking]

Let’s all remember what a brilliant player he has been for us whatever the reasons behind his form.

Memories do not win points.

 

[jonnyp]

Everyone's regressed horribly in just one year. What did Poch do to these guys? Everyone looks slow, sluggish, devoid of energy, incapable of pressing and following and marking a player. Zero enthusiasm. They cannot even pass a football anymore.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Can see why poch said physically he didn’t look right at the start of the season maybe just maybe he came back over weight and enjoyed himself a little to much and he just can’t recover it

 

[Graysonti]

Everyone's regressed horribly in just one year. What did Poch do to these guys? Everyone looks slow, sluggish, devoid of energy, incapable of pressing and following and marking a player. Zero enthusiasm. They cannot even pass a football anymore.

It could be they are burnt out faster than your usual player - more miles on clock.

I’ve heard double session training ?

I run five times a week for near on thirty years - now I can only do a small run once a week. My friends wife took up running at 40:and now running three times a week at good distance.

My point is that is it possible that the human body can only cope with so much exercise/miles on clock?

 

[Yiddo100]

Napoli and Ajax are ready to move for Jan Vertonghen and tempt Tottenham into selling the Belgium centre-back before losing him on a free transfer in the summer.
The 32-year-old’s deal at Spurs expires in the summer and he can now talk to foreign clubs about a pre-contract for next season.
But Napoli are prepared to bring him to Italy in the current January window, after failing with an approach last summer.
Gennaro Gattuso wants a centre-back for the second half of the campaign as he looks to climb the Serie A table following the dismissal of Carlo Ancelotti.

Telegraph transfer notebook: Napoli and Ajax ready to move for Tottenham's Jan Vertonghen

Napoli and Ajax are ready to move for Jan Vertonghen and tempt Tottenham into selling the Belgium centre-back before losing him on a free transfer in the summer.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Feel it’s probably best to let him go, giving both Toby and jan contracts doesn’t make sense when Sanchez has been decent most times, Watching today it’s clear he doesn’t have the pace and his quality is going down, he’s been nothing short of outstanding since he’s been here.

 

[Littleharry]

Sad demise of a very good footballer, looks like not only have his legs gone but also his bottle. The end is now for Jan and his Spurs career, go back to Ajax mate and have a few more decent seasons.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

It could be they are burnt out faster than your usual player - more miles on clock.

I’ve heard double session training ?

I run five times a week for near on thirty years - now I can only do a small run once a week. My friends wife took up running at 40:and now running three times a week at good distance.

My point is that is it possible that the human body can only cope with so much exercise/miles on clock?

Similarly I was flat out through my youth playing both rugby football and tennis I’m now only 28 but my joints and bones etc and also muscles just seem to get injured so easily

I put it down to poor pitches and concrete running etc I think the human body does have a mileage inside it that if you don’t look after it right you can indeed burn out unless you do everything perfect.

There is also a problem that at a certain age naturally everything will get difficult quicker and it just seems Jan has hit his peak has now sadly passed it and is on his downward spiral is he a bad player?

No!

But is he physically not capable of what he wants to do along with what his mind wants to do yes.

 

[Graysonti]

Similarly I was flat out through my youth playing both rugby football and tennis I’m now only 28 but my joints and bones etc and also muscles just seem to get injured so easily

I put it down to poor pitches and concrete running etc I think the human body does have a mileage inside it that if you don’t look after it right you can indeed burn out unless you do everything perfect.

There is also a problem that at a certain age naturally everything will get difficult quicker and it just seems Jan has hit his peak has now sadly passed it and is on his downward spiral is he a bad player?

No!

But is he physically not capable of what he wants to do along with what his mind wants to do yes.

happens to us all and in top level sport it is highlighted more.

I remember Keane and Defoe dropping off a cliff.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

happens to us all and in top level sport it is highlighted more.

I remember Keane and Defoe dropping off a cliff.

I can name so many players it has happened to

Rooney went so quickly

Owen another injuries didn’t help

Walcott another....I know he wasn’t a world beater but he started so young his peak point hit him much younger

Bale is another he peaked at 2012 and he’s not passed it and not the same player

Rio Ferdinand hit his later on but then suddenly his legs went

Sandro another world beater but a few injuries and his legs went

Wanyama the same he peaked a few injuries then boom it’s gone.

Ashley Williams another at Swansea excellent but was playing at 110% soon as he left and hit a different training regime etc his body and legs went it happens.

Aaron Lennon another.....it will also happen to Kyle Walker soon

You have the odd few that survive it by changing their game like Giggs or your Ibrahimovics, Berbatovs, scholes etc.


Unfortunately for us we have 5/6 players who have hit their peak point and now naturally are on a quick decline

Jan is one
Rose another
Wanyama he’s gone
Dier seems to have another issue medically
Kane seems to be trying to alter his game due to injuries to prolong his career

This is why fergie used to continually rotate and refresh his squads

 

[RichieS]

Similarly I was flat out through my youth playing both rugby football and tennis I’m now only 28 but my joints and bones etc and also muscles just seem to get injured so easily

I put it down to poor pitches and concrete running etc I think the human body does have a mileage inside it that if you don’t look after it right you can indeed burn out unless you do everything perfect.

There is also a problem that at a certain age naturally everything will get difficult quicker and it just seems Jan has hit his peak has now sadly passed it and is on his downward spiral is he a bad player?

No!

But is he physically not capable of what he wants to do along with what his mind wants to do yes.

Didn't you absolutely ruin one of your knees as well? That will have had an effect!

I can name so many players it has happened to

Rooney went so quickly

Owen another injuries didn’t help

Walcott another....I know he wasn’t a world beater but he started so young his peak point hit him much younger

Bale is another he peaked at 2012 and he’s not passed it and not the same player

Rio Ferdinand hit his later on but then suddenly his legs went

Sandro another world beater but a few injuries and his legs went

Wanyama the same he peaked a few injuries then boom it’s gone.

Ashley Williams another at Swansea excellent but was playing at 110% soon as he left and hit a different training regime etc his body and legs went it happens.

Aaron Lennon another.....it will also happen to Kyle Walker soon

You have the odd few that survive it by changing their game like Giggs or your Ibrahimovics, Berbatovs, scholes etc.


Unfortunately for us we have 5/6 players who have hit their peak point and now naturally are on a quick decline

Jan is one
Rose another
Wanyama he’s gone
Dier seems to have another issue medically
Kane seems to be trying to alter his game due to injuries to prolong his career

This is why fergie used to continually rotate and refresh his squads

Torres is one that always sticks in my mind.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Didn't you absolutely ruin one of your knees as well? That will have had an effect!

Torres is one that always sticks in my mind.

I did indeed but I’d also put that down to natural body mileage I think everyone’s body has a different breaking point.

I’d love to see a study of kids in academies or adults who have suffered injuries in a sporting environment to see like the average amount of sport they played at a young age and on what surface.

I think a lot of it also goes down to gait, posture etc weight or previous injuries like me for example ruined my left knee after I severely broke my right ankle 5 years previously.... the knee probably went as a result of the 6/8 months on crutches weight bearing on the left leg because that first serious injury effected my posture and running gait and that extra wear and tear eventually results to another part of your body giving way.

I’m currently actually studying and campaigning on why I think these concrete cages children play football in should be banned and changed to something more joint and body friendly. As I personally think if kids are to play only on these hard non bouncy surfaces they will be more likely eventually to suffer joint related injuries in later life.

He’s another I’d like to look back at his career and see where the direct correlation is with his downturn in form I wonder what injury it was that eventually killed him off....anything joint or muscle related for me is where you will start to see a natural decline in ability

That’s why I think Kane is now on an early negative spiral

 

[ajspurs]

Also, by no means did Toby do well their goal but Jan slowly jogging back certainly did us no favors. If he is sprinting back he might get close enough force Ings to do something different. Instead he's all by himself with Gazzaniga in our box.

Said the exact same thing. He didn't even have to reach him, he just had to recognise the danger of the situation, react by tracking back and at least make Ings know he didn't have all the time in the world.

 

[littlemandefoe]

This is a sad thread.... Mainly because its true.

I love Jan but he needs to be sent on his way with the love and respect he deserves for what he did for us. End of. Jan lets the team down a lot now, whether he knows it or not. The effort, commitment, awareness, pace... its just not there anymore.

 

[jonnyp]

Said the exact same thing. He didn't even have to reach him, he just had to recognise the danger of the situation, react by tracking back and at least make Ings know he didn't have all the time in the world.

Incredible he seemed to have learned nothing from Pukki's disallowed goal a few days ago. Our defence seem to get worse and worse every game.