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C0YS

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Some research:

Looking at various serie A forums.

People think he's a good kid and a very good shot stopper. He's rated by many to be one of the best keepers in serie A. And one that quite regularly pulls off extraordinary saves and performances. While his career in serie A is short he also played at a consistently high level in serie B. And has gone strength to strength.

Inter fans question how good he is with the ball. Mostly because of how good onana is. The consensus seems to be, not good not bad but he could improve.

Others do point out he does have a tendency to push the ball out into dangerous areas. But this is a weakness that can be mitigated and not a major worry.

Some Juventus fans have concerns that there is a difference between playing for weaker teams and top teams and some can look good only to fail at the top. Obviously this is always a risk (though I would argue particularly with keepers known for shot stopping but for another time).

Milan fans also think he is a traditional goalkeeper not a modern sweeper, but he could improve in these aspects and rate him highly. Most see it as he will inevitably be given a chance in a top team, and you never know but it's the next move.

Interestingly, the keeper all the fan bases seem most excited about is a 22 year old called Carnesecchi (funny name, literally translated to something like dried meats though not quite grammatically correct) . Who is currently playing in serie B though owned by atalanta. So a name to keep an eye on. But outside the top teams it is the two are considered the next up and coming keepers due a big break.

Anyway, to round up, this doesn't seem like an outrageous signing. He is more a shotstopper but it doesnt seem like he'd be awful with his passing to a level where he couldnt do it at all. He's young for a goalkeeper and a step up is considered inevitable. It might as well be to us.
 

dannythomas

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Some research:

Looking at various serie A forums.

People think he's a good kid and a very good shot stopper. He's rated by many to be one of the best keepers in serie A. And one that quite regularly pulls off extraordinary saves and performances. While his career in serie A is short he also played at a consistently high level in serie B. And has gone strength to strength.

Inter fans question how good he is with the ball. Mostly because of how good onana is. The consensus seems to be, not good not bad but he could improve.

Others do point out he does have a tendency to push the ball out into dangerous areas. But this is a weakness that can be mitigated and not a major worry.

Some Juventus fans have concerns that there is a difference between playing for weaker teams and top teams and some can look good only to fail at the top. Obviously this is always a risk (though I would argue particularly with keepers known for shot stopping but for another time).

Milan fans also think he is a traditional goalkeeper not a modern sweeper, but he could improve in these aspects and rate him highly. Most see it as he will inevitably be given a chance in a top team, and you never know but it's the next move.

Interestingly, the keeper all the fan bases seem most excited about is a 22 year old called Carnesecchi (funny name, literally translated to something like dried meats though not quite grammatically correct) . Who is currently playing in serie B though owned by atalanta. So a name to keep an eye on. But outside the top teams it is the two are considered the next up and coming keepers due a big break.

Anyway, to round up, this doesn't seem like an outrageous signing. He is more a shotstopper but it doesnt seem like he'd be awful with his passing to a level where he couldnt do it at all. He's young and a step up is considered inevitable. It might as well be to us.
So it’s worth saving £20m and taking a gamble on a keeper with obvious flaws hoping that he could come good over a proven premier League keeper of basically the same age who haș no significant weaknesses. ? We haven’t had to spend on a no 1 for many years because of the excellence of Lloris and now our miserly chairman wants to do it on the cheap. Surprise surprise.
 

C0YS

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Consensus he would be starting if it wasn’t for Donnarumma.

Another point to remember is he’ll have compatriot Udogie joining him this summer along with recent Serie A teammates in Romero, Bentancur and Deki to help him settle in.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. He quite literally got his first call up only very recently. And Meret appears a more polished goalkeeper out of the two and would seem a more natural choice, though Vicario seems the better shot stopper and probably a higher ceiling.
 
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Ginola+Tonic

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So it’s worth saving £20m and taking a gamble on a keeper with obvious flaws hoping that he could come good over a proven premier League keeper of basically the same age who haș no significant weaknesses. ? We haven’t had to spend on a no 1 for many years because of the excellence of Lloris and now our miserly chairman wants to do it on the cheap. Surprise surprise.
Raya conceded the most long range goals in the league last season.
 

C0YS

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So it’s worth saving £20m and taking a gamble on a keeper with obvious flaws hoping that he could come good over a proven premier League keeper of basically the same age who haș no significant weaknesses. ? We haven’t had to spend on a no 1 for many years because of the excellence of Lloris and now our miserly chairman wants to do it on the cheap. Surprise surprise.
No Im not saying that. Raya also has flaws as well. What I'm saying is it's not an unreasonable option. I would prefer Raya though not totally convinced on him either (his positioning used to be a major issue actively targeted by some in the championship, this always stuck with me). Though he has improved this season. And if this season isn't a one off than I would be very happy with him.

I would, however, argue that you haven't seen enough of Vicario to make a firm judgement. Nor have I. So it's hard to form an assertive opinion on him without knowing that.

The worries for me are his tendency to push the ball out and needing to adapt to the league.

But Raya is 3rd choice in the spanish national team for a reason. I think he would be a good signing, but also a risk of sorts. He isn't a faultless keeper.

He isn't tall so he compensates this by having a high starting position. But it means if not perfectly positioned he can telegraph where to hit a well placed shot. He is really poor at saving penalties too. Historically he has also struggled against long range shots or shots that are directed towards the top corners. The fact is he has only really had one season where he has looked absolute top class. I would prefer him to Vicario but there you go (Martinez is actually my top pick).
 

rossdapep

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I couldn't care less if he's 'worth £40m' I'm not the club's accountant. However he is exactly what we need. This is a crucial position and we absolutely can't afford to screw up the position over a relatively small amount of money. We're not a poor club so should stop acting like one
Whilst I do agree that you should push out for a crucial posituon, Raya is not really an elite level GK.

Is he worth putting 40m up for? Or is it worse spending weeks of the summer trying to get a GK in who may not even be much better than Vicario? Totally disrupting preseason.

For all we know. Vicario way have been first choice but with him potentially going to Inter and Raya's short contract and HG suitability. Maybe it swung it in Raya's favour and with Inter not getting closer weve switched back?

Or perhaps he was a close second choice to Raya but the only reason we placed Raya ahead was the HG benefit? But we are realising Brentford arent coming down so the extra 20m Plus just isnt worth it?

Lots of possible reasons but I do doubt its simply cause hes a cheap option/punt.
 

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So, if this guy is decent, although with room for improvement, with his feet and a decent shot-stopper, he seems like a happy medium between Mamardashvili who I'd love but doesn't fit what Ange wants and Raya. If this happens let's hope the 20 million saved is used to strengthen the defence further.
 

SuperLuka

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If this happens, I’m here for it.

I like the feel of this signing.

Simply because it’s such a random unknown that there’s very little chance our old regime had anything to do with it.

Levy certainly ain’t gonna have a scooby who this bloke is and therefore it feels a bit more measured and calculated, like we’ve actually done a scout for a change…
Levy doesn't need to have heard of him to do his usual Wikipedia scouting.
 

KirstyG

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GK make the difference in games. Like Strikers. You shouldn’t really mess about with that position imho. Fact is even when we had Kane and Son firing, Lloris was practically chucking them in the net with his fellows at the back. A solid GK in form brings calmness at the back. Shot stopping is one thing but they also need to command and take control and relieve pressure. It’s better to pay up here because GKs tend to hang around in clubs and their impact is huge. Get the first choice Spurs.
 

talkshowhost86

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Best keeper in the league (IMO) Allison came from Roma.
Ederson came from Benfica.
We bought Lloris from Lyon.

Don't see why signing proven PL players is important when it comes to keepers tbh,
It shouldn't be important at all, I completely agree

I just don't trust our current setup to get the right people in if they haven't seen them in the right league

GK is the position that should matter the least but personally I'd still have my doubts about our team finding the right person from outside of the Premier League
 

talkshowhost86

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Come on, we pretty much built one of our best teams of all time for Poch from value signings - Vertonghen, Toby, Dele, Dier, Walker, Wanyama were all all considered cheap at the time of signing but by enlarge proved shrewd signings.
That was a long time ago and even on that list only Jan and Dier didn't have experience in England before we signed them
 

PaulThurston

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He also conceded fewer goals than any other team outside the top 4.
Point of order, Brentford did. A goalkeeper in a good team can spend the entire game polishing their nails and get a clean sheet.

Raya's a bloody good keeper but that extra 23m buys a lot of quality elsewhere.
 

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So it’s worth saving £20m and taking a gamble on a keeper with obvious flaws hoping that he could come good over a proven premier League keeper of basically the same age who haș no significant weaknesses. ? We haven’t had to spend on a no 1 for many years because of the excellence of Lloris and now our miserly chairman wants to do it on the cheap. Surprise surprise.
Horseshit. Complete horseshit. Fuelled by agenda and lazy narrative.

In order to sign anyone our “miserly” chairman has to try and flog £100m worth of Ndombele and Lo Celso, whilst also hoping £60m Richarlison was worth the investment.

Please stop with this bollocks.
 

SuperLuka

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Horseshit. Complete horseshit. Fuelled by agenda and lazy narrative.

In order to sign anyone our “miserly” chairman has to try and flog £100m worth of Ndombele and Lo Celso, whilst also hoping £60m Richarlison was worth the investment.

Please stop with this bollocks.
3 examples where we signed our top target (all 3 we got wrong) but ignoring dozens of examples where we went for the cheap option.
 

Stoof

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3 examples where we signed our top target (all 3 we got wrong) but ignoring dozens of examples where we went for the cheap option.
I don’t like the term miserly - one because of the connotations of the word and two because it’s factually incorrect. Dozens of examples of paying money for players eh? Sounds like something a miser would do …
 

Stoof

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Inter fans are not happy to miss out on him as Onana's replacement.
Juventus fans cheered and laughed when we signed Bentancur and Kulusevski. There’s still one dickhead on Twitter that comes up every now and then.
 

Scot-Spur

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Hard to judge a GK and how they are with the ball at their feet especially on a poorer team who is probably sitting deep.
 
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