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Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

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Stamford

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He still might make it. People talk about Pierre hiding but I think lo celso shirked his responsibility all half
 

dude573

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Christ we are not a charity, how about he earns that chance. He doesn’t deserve anything. He has shown little in competitive time in the Premier League while with us.
It isn't about charity and more about the fact that there is one week in the window and we haven't even signed a CB or an attacker yet. In what world are we going to sell Lo Celso, find a suitable replacement within our budget and accommodate our other priority areas?

Whether you like it or not keeping him as a back-up to Maddison is the best bet we have for now.
 

sundanceyid10

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It isn't about charity and more about the fact that there is one week in the window and we haven't even signed a CB or an attacker yet. In what world are we going to sell Lo Celso, find a suitable replacement within our budget and accommodate our other priority areas?

Whether you like it or not keeping him as a back-up to Maddison is the best bet we have for now.
Fine, don’t say he deserves it when he doesn’t, players should earn there place, it is not the school play ground where everyone gets a go. We are a professional football club and GLC among others has not remotely earned anything to deserve to play at all, other than utterly meaningless friendly games which tell us nothing, other than that in competitive games he goes complete missing often.
 

Colonel_Klinck

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The difference when Maddison came on says it all. But if we can't replace him he's all we've got. lets hope Madders stays fit all season.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Didn’t see the game so can’t comment but seems like from what people are saying he wasn’t great but then again not was most of the team.

It is hard for players to find their rhythm not playing often and in a ‘B team’ of lesser players.

That being said as much as I like him perhaps it just isn’t going to work out in which case if we do sell him we need to replace him with a creative CM as a must, we can’t rely on Maddison all season.
 

Ghost Hardware

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It isn't about charity and more about the fact that there is one week in the window and we haven't even signed a CB or an attacker yet. In what world are we going to sell Lo Celso, find a suitable replacement within our budget and accommodate our other priority areas?

Whether you like it or not keeping him as a back-up to Maddison is the best bet we have for now.
End of the day up until now Ange, who has been working with him day in and day out, has spoken very positively of him. Maybe he’s changed his mind after 45 mins of football, it’s possible. If so then I would very much expect him to be put on the loan list tomorrow as I think that’s the only way he leaves. If he isn’t put on the list then Ange obviously still rates him and he will likely stay. At this point it’s down to Ange. Like you say getting any sort of replacement will be hard at this point but if Ange doesn’t rate him then I’d still expect him to go.
 

ikky

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Lol the feelings of him on here changed pretty sharpish after tonight’s game.
 

kitchen

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The difference when Maddison came on says it all. But if we can't replace him he's all we've got. lets hope Madders stays fit all season.
Maddison was playing with Sarr, Son, Kulusevski, Davies and a Solomon that was in his favoured position (he really didn't play well on the right today). Lo Celso was playing with the shower of players underperforming that we saw in the first half. Consequently he had very few passing options when he was on the pitch. I'm not too sure what he's being slated for, when everyone else was also poor. At least he made an effort to break the lines and create something in the first half, which is more than most of our players.

If Richy had found him when he found space on the edge of the box, he'd likely have scored from there.

He's a pass and move player but there wasn't enough movement in the first half and too few players found space.

Where he is short of Maddison is that Maddison is far better at dribbling and turning out of pressure to find space, but if lo Celso is playing with a team of players all buzzing around moving looking for one touch passes and quick give and goes, he's excellent. We just weren't that team when he was on the pitch.
 

Finchyid

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Lol the feelings of him on here changed pretty sharpish after tonight’s game.
No I got laughed at cos I said he was shit…2 good preseason performances mean nothing. He can’t pass, he can’t run, he can’t to a lot that I expect a £40m footballer to do
 

Montalbano

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I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt considering he was playing next to Hojbjerg and Skipp (who were genuinely awful) but I reiterate my point that we can probably do better than Gio. Let’s see how he does next to Biss and Sarr but there’s a reason we’ve been loaning him out.

All in on Eze next summer
 

mil1lion

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I would like to see him in the first team some more. It often is the case with him that he's just in a poor performing team (which in fairness he's one of them). In Europe he would look poor until we brought more key players on. I think he's a bit like Hojbjerg in that sense. Good when around great players. When he has to be the stand out player he isn't. That's why he's a squad player though. We just have to limit how many we have particularly when back in Europe. I think he would look far better if we had more first team players around him. The same can be said for a number of players though.
 

sundanceyid10

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Maddison was playing with Sarr, Son, Kulusevski, Davies and a Solomon that was in his favoured position (he really didn't play well on the right today). Lo Celso was playing with the shower of players underperforming that we saw in the first half. Consequently he had very few passing options when he was on the pitch. I'm not too sure what he's being slated for, when everyone else was also poor. At least he made an effort to break the lines and create something in the first half, which is more than most of our players.

If Richy had found him when he found space on the edge of the box, he'd likely have scored from there.

He's a pass and move player but there wasn't enough movement in the first half and too few players found space.

Where he is short of Maddison is that Maddison is far better at dribbling and turning out of pressure to find space, but if lo Celso is playing with a team of players all buzzing around moving looking for one touch passes and quick give and goes, he's excellent. We just weren't that team when he was on the pitch.
Maddison was playing with Sarr, Son, Kulusevski, Davies and a Solomon that was in his favoured position (he really didn't play well on the right today). Lo Celso was one of a shower of players underperforming that we saw in the first half. Consequently he had very few passing options when he was on the pitch. I'm not too sure what he's being slated for, when everyone else was also poor. At least he made an effort to break the lines and create something in the first half, which is more than most of our players.

There fixed it for you, he was as bad as any of them.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Only those in last 42 years
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St José Dominguez

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If you’d started Maddison but in the same lineup as today he’d have helped the side perform better. Same with Bissouma. Lo Celso was just at the same level as everyone else. He didn’t raise the level of the team. He was just there. I think this idea he needs to be playing alongside better players is a cop out. Great players perform even in average starting 11s. They stand out, in a proper game here at Spurs I have not seen him stand out at all.

He should be sold I think, we need a backup CM who has the quality to come into the side and stand out. Sarr has done so, Skipp hasn’t yet. We’re short in that area going forward this season.
 

kitchen

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Maddison was playing with Sarr, Son, Kulusevski, Davies and a Solomon that was in his favoured position (he really didn't play well on the right today). Lo Celso was one of a shower of players underperforming that we saw in the first half. Consequently he had very few passing options when he was on the pitch. I'm not too sure what he's being slated for, when everyone else was also poor. At least he made an effort to break the lines and create something in the first half, which is more than most of our players.

There fixed it for you, he was as bad as any of them.
By the fact I said also poor, I'm not sure it needed fixing.
 

Albertbarich

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Gonna say it in this thread as I don't have much time and it could go in numerous ones...

Before a couple of wins I read

"Get Lo Celso out " " He's shit!" " cancer"

Actually you could replace his name with Holjbergs, Lloris, Skipp, Dier and numerous others

This week I've read how much of a fuck up it would be if we sell Sanchez, sell Holjberg , how we don't know what we're doing if we let them go to a rival.

And tonight according to the internet they're all shit, never make it , have to leave and of course Ange is at fault even though this morning he was the Messiah.

I know it's not everyone but got god sake have some balance. If you're view and thoughts are skewed that much by a early season cup game then I'd question how much attention you're paying to it and if you're that desperate to get the vitriol out because of one bad performance after such a fun start then have a word with yourself and think about if it's worth it because if you haven't enjoyed this start then I worry you never will.

We all knew it was going to be a season of ups and downs and finding out way. We all knew patience was required and yet it seems to have gone out the window after one bad day .
 
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