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JUSTINSIGNAL

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I’ve followed this page for ages, highly reliable. Good news at last. I know you guys are giving me a range of ratings. However I don’t post trash in here, I’ve followed him since he’s started the page, he doesn’t post things he isn’t sure of. He also doesn’t pretend to know things he doesn’t. View attachment 53768


Bro, hate to break this to you but he’s just summarising what he’s read on Twitter.
 

CrouchPotato

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Bro, hate to break this to you but he’s just summarising what he’s read on Twitter.
I’ve deleted it. However, I’ve followed the guy for close to 2 years. He isn’t just summarizing. The guy literally posts getting announcement times correct regularly. Go have a read through his stuff, I had the same reaction at first as I’m one of the most skeptical people you’ll find, however after a year and a half of following him he’s genuinely good. However I’ve deleted to keep the peace with everyone.
*I know the rules of SC I’ve been here for ages, I wouldn’t share something I didn’t have full faith in or trusted. However I understand the skepticism. (y)
 

BringBack_leGin

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So it's true that we're replacing Dembele, Rose and Eriksen with inferior but younger players while doing jack all else.
So with Dembele knackered, Eriksen wanting out and Rose having openly wanted out for two years now, which three players would you have signed over a french international midfielder, Argentinian international playmaker and the most promising young left sided player in England?

Seriously, this is what I mean when people decide their opinion first and then twist the facts to fit. If we end up finishing the window as the deleted @marcolombardUSA post has suggested, our squad will be deep, talented, varied and highly motivated, probably the best in the league bar Man City. And you would twist it into a way to attack the club regardless?

Lloris Gazzaniga Whiteman
Walker-Peters Aurier
Alderweireld Foyth Tanganga
Vertonghen Sanchez
Rose Davies
Winks Dier Skipp
Ndombele Sissoko
Lucas Lamela
Lo Celso Dele
Son Sessegnon
Kane Parrott
 

doctor stefan Freud

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So with Dembele knackered, Eriksen wanting out and Rose having openly wanted out for two years now, which three players would you have signed over a french international midfielder, Argentinian international playmaker and the most promising young left sided player in England?

Seriously, this is what I mean when people decide their opinion first and then twist the facts to fit. If we end up finishing the window as the deleted @marcolombardUSA post has suggested, our squad will be deep, talented, varied and highly motivated, probably the best in the league bar Man City. And you would twist it into a way to attack the club regardless?

Lloris Gazzaniga Whiteman
Walker-Peters Aurier
Alderweireld Foyth Tanganga
Vertonghen Sanchez
Rose Davies
Winks Dier Skipp
Ndombele Sissoko
Lucas Lamela
Lo Celso Dele
Son Sessegnon
Kane Parrott
You see, the tequila leGin is soft and romantic, the fruit based one much clearer and clinical. We have evidence of the essential duality of the essence of leGin, forever captured in the binary landscape of the internet
 

Amo

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So with Dembele knackered, Eriksen wanting out and Rose having openly wanted out for two years now, which three players would you have signed over a french international midfielder, Argentinian international playmaker and the most promising young left sided player in England?

Seriously, this is what I mean when people decide their opinion first and then twist the facts to fit. If we end up finishing the window as the deleted @marcolombardUSA post has suggested, our squad will be deep, talented, varied and highly motivated, probably the best in the league bar Man City. And you would twist it into a way to attack the club regardless?

Lloris Gazzaniga Whiteman
Walker-Peters Aurier
Alderweireld Foyth Tanganga
Vertonghen Sanchez
Rose Davies
Winks Dier Skipp
Ndombele Sissoko
Lucas Lamela
Lo Celso Dele
Son Sessegnon
Kane Parrott

You missed the point. Even if all three are as good as the players they're replacing then we're still at a standstill compared to last year.
 

Giovanni

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So with Dembele knackered, Eriksen wanting out and Rose having openly wanted out for two years now, which three players would you have signed over a french international midfielder, Argentinian international playmaker and the most promising young left sided player in England?

Seriously, this is what I mean when people decide their opinion first and then twist the facts to fit. If we end up finishing the window as the deleted @marcolombardUSA post has suggested, our squad will be deep, talented, varied and highly motivated, probably the best in the league bar Man City. And you would twist it into a way to attack the club regardless?

Lloris Gazzaniga Whiteman
Walker-Peters Aurier
Alderweireld Foyth Tanganga
Vertonghen Sanchez
Rose Davies
Winks Dier Skipp
Ndombele Sissoko
Lucas Lamela
Lo Celso Dele
Son Sessegnon
Kane Parrott

And with that list of players levy and enic would once again make a tidy profit from the club. Stop trying to narrate other peoples views. It doesnt take a genius to work out the sums involved.

We would be short changed again(y)

Ps...that is even if those signings come off. If they dont then u've been truly stretched out....and enjoyed it.
 

BringBack_leGin

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And with that list of players levy and enic would once again make a tidy profit from the club. Stop trying to narrate other peoples views. It doesnt take a genius to work out the sums involved.

We would be short changed again(y)
So if my spoilered list came to transpire, we’d be short changed as fans because we’d have been given a deep, talented squad capable of great things with multiple options in every position?

I’ve just realised, you’re a net spend junkie aren’t you. You’d have happily seen do, say, Aston Villa’s business because they’re almost £200m in the net, so Villa supporters haven’t been short changed. About right?

I’m not trying to narrate anyone’s views, I’m just not very tolerant of the banal, the disingenuous or the ridiculous.

Seriously, why the hell do you care if Enic make a profit as long as the team is in good shape? What difference does it make? And by the way, Enic doesn’t make the profit, the separate legal entity, our club, which it is majority shareholder of, names the profit. You talk as if Enic are skimming off the top like Mike Ashley.
 

BringBack_leGin

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You missed the point. Even if all three are as good as the players they're replacing then we're still at a standstill compared to last year.
By that logic we can only hope to be at a standstill as the squad had. 25 registered players. Surely, if we agree that Ndombele at 22 is better than Dembele at 32 and likewise Sissoko at 30, Lo Celso is better than a disinterested Eriksen, and that it’s more worthwhile to give minutes to high potential Sessegnon, Parrott and Skipp than mediocre Nkoudou, broken Wanyama and old Llorente, then the squad has progressed.

What more could you possibly ask for than a squad made up wholly either of top class internationals at their peak, or superb young players with massive room for growth?

Of course if we don’t agree on those above points about the players mentioned then we really are polarised.
 

Zummerzet Spur

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I reckon this transfer window and specifically the transfer for this player has been the most energy zapping in years - be glad when it’s over. No wonder Poch is pissed off.
 

Hotspurious

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So it's true that we're replacing Dembele, Rose and Eriksen with inferior but younger players while doing jack all else.
But, where do you think Rose, Eriksen and Dembele came from. Only the latter was a sure thing as Rose was like 16 years old and exhibited some potential, that's all. Eriksen was well known as a prospect but we grabbed him when others wouldn't because he was unproven in a top league and a gamble. The three we're bringing in in your hypothetical are much better established with as high or higher ceilings - and much more coveted that Rose, Eriksen and Dembele were when we picked them up.
 

dtxspurs

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Getting really tired of all these complainers talking about trophies! I’m here to root for organic financial gains and just getting close enough. What a bunch of fannys.
 

Giovanni

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So if my spoilered list came to transpire, we’d be short changed as fans because we’d have been given a deep, talented squad capable of great things with multiple options in every position?

I’ve just realised, you’re a net spend junkie aren’t you. You’d have happily seen do, say, Aston Villa’s business because they’re almost £200m in the net, so Villa supporters haven’t been short changed. About right?

I’m not trying to narrate anyone’s views, I’m just not very tolerant of the banal, the disingenuous or the ridiculous.

Seriously, why the hell do you care if Enic make a profit as long as the team is in good shape? What difference does it make? And by the way, Enic doesn’t make the profit, the separate legal entity, our club, which it is majority shareholder of, names the profit. You talk as if Enic are skimming off the top like Mike Ashley.

So if thats the case then lets just clarify..... Where will any left over money be going from not being used after we have earnt it? At this rate im expecting the stadium to be payed off in 5 years maximum. The income revenue is much more than every other club in the world bar around 7 and we will very soon more higher than that.
This isnt about net spend. This is about us operating EXACTLY as a club our size and stature should do.

You can keep narrating and spinning things to make people sound unreasonable but in all honesty you are much more better off keeping on youre side of the fence. #Levylite.
 

ATLguy

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Getting really tired of all these complainers talking about trophies! I’m here to root for organic financial gains and just getting close enough. What a bunch of fannys.
Read that too fast...thought you called us a bunch of trannys.
 

Sweech

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Jun 27, 2013
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But, where do you think Rose, Eriksen and Dembele came from. Only the latter was a sure thing as Rose was like 16 years old and exhibited some potential, that's all. Eriksen was well known as a prospect but we grabbed him when others wouldn't because he was unproven in a top league and a gamble. The three we're bringing in in your hypothetical are much better established with as high or higher ceilings - and much more coveted that Rose, Eriksen and Dembele were when we picked them up.
People have amnesia levels of memory on how we actually built the squad we’ve got.

Personally I’d rather continue doing it our way rather than acting like Everton for example.
 

GetSpurredOn

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So with Dembele knackered, Eriksen wanting out and Rose having openly wanted out for two years now, which three players would you have signed over a french international midfielder, Argentinian international playmaker and the most promising young left sided player in England?

Seriously, this is what I mean when people decide their opinion first and then twist the facts to fit. If we end up finishing the window as the deleted @marcolombardUSA post has suggested, our squad will be deep, talented, varied and highly motivated, probably the best in the league bar Man City. And you would twist it into a way to attack the club regardless?

Lloris Gazzaniga Whiteman
Walker-Peters Aurier
Alderweireld Foyth Tanganga
Vertonghen Sanchez
Rose Davies
Winks Dier Skipp
Ndombele Sissoko
Lucas Lamela
Lo Celso Dele
Son Sessegnon
Kane Parrott

I had a similar squad ending the window, albeit with one of Fernandes or Dybala also in the squad.

Lloris, Gazzaniga, (Whiteman)
Aurier, Walker-Peters
Rose, Davies, (Sessegnon)
Alderweireld, Foyth, (Tanganga)
Vertonghen, Sanchez
Winks, Dier, (Skipp)
Ndombele, Sissoko
Lo Celso
, Fernandes
Alli, Lamela
Moura
, Son
Kane, (Parrott)
16 non HG, 5 HG, 5 not required listing.

Adding a second midfielder after Ndombele, alongside any potential Eriksen replacement, is the difference between progressing or just standing still.
 

BringBack_leGin

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So if thats the case then lets just clarify..... Where will any left over money be going from not being used after we have earnt it? At this rate im expecting the stadium to be payed off in 5 years maximum. The income revenue is much more than every other club in the world bar around 7 and we will very soon more higher than that.
This isnt about net spend. This is about us operating EXACTLY as a club our size and stature should do.

You can keep narrating and spinning things to make people sound unreasonable but in all honesty you are much more better off keeping on youre side of the fence. #Levylite.
I’ve not spun one thing. I’ve stated, numerous times, that if we don’t get the players we’ve apparently identified, I’ll be pissed off, if we do, I’ll be delighted as it will leave our playing squad in very good shape to challenge on the pitch and hopefully bring success, which unlike you is the only thing I actually care about. If the club does it while turning a profit, fine, that affects not me, not you, not anybody, and if the club turning a profit encourages these owners who have taken the club so far from the state in which they found it interested, even better.

As for where any left over money does go, without having a chat with the club accountants I couldn’t possibly answer. Maybe marketing, maybe improved training for staff, maybe for contracts such as the one which we agreed with the world’s best centre forward for basically the entirety of his peak years. Fuck knows.

All you seem to care about is whether or not the club operates in the red or the black. Strange reason for supporting a football team granted, but each to their own.

Fact is, if the team is left in a good state, it really makes no difference to me how that is achieved, I watch the football, not the ftse.

(Btw, if we do pull off the deals that are being suggested, we will be massively in the red for this window, last January and last summer, so I’m not sure what profits will be there for evil miserly Daniel to run off with).

At this point I will decide with engaging with you as your antics are leading my down a garden path which ends in bansville, and I’d rather not lose access this close to the finish line.
 
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