Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[mattyspurs]

I thought this was the GLC thread but I seem to have entered into the Poch is mad at Levy and Joe Lewis should use his own money to buy players thread.

To be fair, substitute ‘GLC’ thread for every thread in transfer rumours section and you’d be about right

 

[Lighty64]

Why this last sarcastic swipe ?

I was with you all the way until you needed to do this.
Side swiping another Spurs fan when making a really good point is really unhelpful.

we had a fall out a while ago, and he leaves a guaranteed winner on everything that has a dig at Levy, and a guaranteed spam or doh on my post, in fact there are another 2 that do it too, because they don't like to be challenged

just look at my ratings last 5-6 pages

 

[BringBack_leGin]

As of Saturday Herc was saying that he still expects us to get Lo Celso and Sessegnon, so unless something has dramatically changed so far this week, I remain confident until he or one of the other main ITKs says it’s gone tits up.

He wouldn’t be allowed to post so freely on this site by the mods had he not proven that his sources are top drawer.

Also, JJ has seemingly gone into hiding which is usually a sign that we’re moving hard on at least one signing, and let’s face it if any of our hopes for deals had gone to shit he’d have said so.

Lastly, last summer herc, trix, jj, etc were all fairly damning, either explicitly or implicitly, of Levy, so I’m pretty sure they’d be damning of him again if there was reason to be. None seem shy of having a negative opinion.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

So can we once and for all stop with the "Poch turned down X player, Levy tried!" that has been going on, especially last summer.

Why so many comments like this?

Poch has said before that he is part of the transfer committee that identifies targets.

What he means here is that he doesn’t know where Levy is with making the deals happen. It’s not the 1980s anymore, managers don’t negotiate with targets, it’s the club that signs them.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Why so many comments like this?

Poch has said before that he is part of the transfer committee that identifies targets.

What he means here is that he doesn’t know where Levy is with making the deals happen. It’s not the 1980s anymore, managers don’t negotiate with targets, it’s the club that signs them.

But they do on football manager!!!!£”&?~*+

 

[philll]

It would be ridiculous for Poch to not be involved at all with transfers, of course he is. He's saying he isn't involved once the targets have been identified.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

we had a fall out a while ago, and he leaves a guaranteed winner on everything that has a dig at Levy, and a guaranteed spam or doh on my post, in fact there are another 2 that do it too, because they don't like to be challenged

just look at my ratings last 5-6 pages

Many thanks for being a good guy and replying.

Everything you say is fair enough and it’s so refreshing that it’s done so nicely and without rage etc.

Genuinely many thanks. ??

 

[thfcsteff]

Jesus Christ...the end of the window cannot come soon enough if only so as we don't have every "code-breaker" under the sun reading tea leaves and telling us what the "scoop" is on how the manager and chairman work.

 

[Lighty64]

Well I can say the same things about you too but I won't. I f you don't like it ignore it just don't try to impose your views as the right one. There is nothing wrong in celebrating success at the end of the season. The real success.

to catch teams up like Man C we had to build the stadium. the only debt we are in is due to the stadium. tell me another team that has improved at the wrong time. had FFYP been brought in at a time football changed, Chelsea and Man C wouldn't of ever done what they have. Man C can take the CoC seriously due to the money they have invested in both 1st team and youth, which makes winning it a hurdle that needs a way of catching. ENIC won't get in serious debt doing it, and yet look at where we are. CL is important at the moment until we can close the gap.

I'm proud of the way we have done it

 

[C-oops]

hard to know what to make of this when its obviously untrue. If Poch and Levy really dont communicate regularly about transfers Id be flabbergasted.

He's probably just sick of the questions. Distancing himself from being involved will stop the questions. Or he probably thinks it will.

 

[JCRD]

It would be ridiculous for Poch to not be involved at all with transfers, of course he is. He's saying he isn't involved once the targets have been identified.

Thats a good way of looking at it. He is definitely involved at the start in identification but perhaps not recruitment... I cant imagine Levy was sitting there and saying lets go for GLC...

 

[thfcsteff]

I think 95% of the people on this forum support Levy but a lot of them are now of the opinion that the brinkmanship games have become self-defeating.

The problem with that evaluation is we have absolutely no idea whatsoever if that is the issue. I suspect it is not.

 

[Goobers]

My feeing is this - we have already missed the boat for any new signings bar TN to have a full ore season therefore indon’t Think it makes a huge amount of aoffferenc elf the dead get done later this week or next to be honest. The players that arrived will have to spend time integrating before being truly first team ready.

 

[spursfan77]

The basic facts are these:

We want to buy Lo Celso.

We have substantial funds and seem willing to back the manager in rebuilding the team.

Betis need to sell him.

Lo Celso wants to come to us.

No other club has put in a bid for him.

There’s over a week before the deal needs to be finalised.

Put all this together and Lo Celso joining us looks highly likely but it looks equally likely that it won’t be closed this week.

Are you sure about this?

I’ve seen it assumed but no real concrete evidence.

 

[thfcsteff]

Well the problem is with all the other clubs. They don't offer us the money we want for our players and don't accept the offer from us for the payers that we want. The TW is difficult and there is no good opportunity available and DL can't do better than this.

Somewhat agree...in Toby's case, he clearly wants wages which are considered excessive by every other potential club, and as such is n ow going to be forced to play out the year and hope someone still wants him for that weekly money at 31, sign a new deal or be sold for higher than his release clause and get less than he was hoping for per week. I think we'd move him if we could frankly. Rose is on odd one, Eriksen is at a vanishing point moment IMO, none of it helps us but worse case scenario, they stay and play their hearts out for us and we are "stuck" with three quality, quality players. It really could be worse.

 

[Lighty64]

Okay.... I'll bite. I did say I was kidding with you earlier on the wages thing. If we signed him and had to pay his wages for the last month.. It would have been no more than 500K... Wouldn't make us broke.

BTW I don't think GLC is worth anymore than 50 million. If we can't agree with Betis on a price then move on. Get the next target. I don't believe we must just pay up. We should though negotiate in good faith and get the deal done. If we far apart on valuation then move on to the next target.

apparently he is rumoured to be signing a 150k pw contract. a month ago he was still involved at the copa. if they had gone out a week earlier he might be with us now as I'm sure a week ago everything was agreed from info we had, and Betis might of not wanted the changes

 

[Indisguise]

The problem with that evaluation is we have absolutely no idea whatsoever if that is the issue. I suspect it is not.

But the problem with that is we've got so many previous windows to look back on over the years where exactly the same events play out. It's way beyond coincidence now.

 

[JayB]

Smells of the same problem that we had last season, and to be quite honest I suspect it's a combination of MP and DL's fault.

DL's due to his haggling and overcaution in getting the players on Pochettino's list, but also possibly MP's inflexibility in terms of being able to work with only a very small pool of scouted players as sometimes you can't get your top target for reasons out of your control.

This combination is a recipe for huge gaps in the squad. Poch identifies say only 2 players for each position, DL fails, Poch refuses alternatives. Rinse and repeat.

The reality is there are still plenty of players out there that would improve us. I think both sides need to show more flexibility if our transfer strategy is to improve. Levy needs to make more of an effort to get players higher on the list, but Pochettino needs to be more adaptable to accommodate 3rd and 4th choice options if deals can't be secured.

This is exactly where I come down on it. I wouldn't begrudge Levy for putting his foot down and refusing to pay €75m for GLC, if it's true that they won't budge on that valuation.

What's completely inexcusable to me has been the failure to have viable Plan B options lined up. I understand that Poch has been burned with the Njies, Nkoudous and Janssens of the world, but sometimes it's simply the case that we aren't able to get the first choice across the line.

I cannot accept that there have been so few options on the market that would have addressed our needs over the past two or three summers. There's a middle ground between top talents like De Jong, Ndombele, GLC etc. and total punts like Njie and Nkoudou. If it turns out that GLC is impossible then there has got to be someone else out there who would also improve us -- we've just got to scout that player properly and Poch needs to be willing to accept them. We saw last season how incredibly risky it is to allow the squad to languish.

 

[spurs mental]

It's like deadline day in here the posts are flying so fast.

 

[spursfan77]

I think the 75 million or so they've been suggestion in the spanish media is beyond paying over the odds, I think it'd unwise to give into those demands, I was critical of Levy last season but I don't blame him on this one, I wouldn't want anybody else negotiating this one tbh, they're trying to take the piss.

Then let’s hope we have an alternative. But I bet we don’t. Oh no wait a minute, we do, it’s eriksen and it’s why we haven’t signed him yet. Eriksen is still here!