Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[Ginola+Tonic]

Doherty is plenty good enough, and Emerson is good cover. Is Spence better than either?

You watched Doherty for us for 18 months and thought yes good enough?

Watched Emerson last season and thought he’s good enough?

It’s essential we get a RWB
Baffled you don’t agree

 

[ShelfWatcher]

You watched Doherty for us for 18 months and thought yes good enough?

Watched Emerson last season and thought he’s good enough?

It’s essential we get a RWB
Baffled you don’t agree

Doc was plenty good enough at the end of last season
Spence was written off by many a SCG.
I don't mind us getting in a new RWB, but is Spence an upgrade I don't know.
Presumably if we were certain he was we'd pay 25m and get it done.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

You watched Doherty for us for 18 months and thought yes good enough?

Watched Emerson last season and thought he’s good enough?

It’s essential we get a RWB
Baffled you don’t agree

I would say that Conte rates Doherty and I would expect him to be the primary starter.

I also think that Conte rates Royal more than most on here, and sees him as a valuable squad member. We had info at the end of last season that some players had changed Contes perspective and I would not be surprised if Royal was one.

Conte’s goal is to win this season and I would guess that Spence will take half a season to get up to the standards Conte expects. It’s a big step up and no time for growing pains.

Spence could very well be the future, like Sessegnon on the left, but I think Conte would trust Doherty more

 

[Montalbano]

For me Doherty/Emerson is too unpredictable for the new season. Considering where we are at now with squad depth; last thing we want is having a weak link at RWB for top 4 rivals to expose.

Spence is no less “unpredictable”. He’s had just one standout season in the Championship — he’s hardly a known quantity.

 

[mil1lion]

We will get a RWB. It's just funny that people are talking like it's the end of the window when it's far from it.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

I would say that Conte rates Doherty and I would expect him to be the primary starter.

I also think that Conte rates Royal more than most on here, and sees him as a valuable squad member. We had info at the end of last season that some players had changed Contes perspective and I would not be surprised if Royal was one.

Conte’s goal is to win this season and I would guess that Spence will take half a season to get up to the standards Conte expects. It’s a big step up and no time for growing pains.

Spence could very well be the future, like Sessegnon on the left, but I think Conte would trust Doherty more

I agree I think Doherty will start as our No.1 RWB if Spence were to come in.

Spence is all potential granted and kind of an unknown.

But regardless, RWB is one of our weakest positions.
Doherty had about 5 good games before his injury.
We literally changed our tactics so Emerson didn’t go forward as much.

Neither are good enough for where we want to be.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

For what it’s worth

Paul O Keefe on Twitter has said tomorrow will be very important regarding this deal, he didn’t elaborate further so not sure what he was implying.

Also the hold up is the add ons, Gibson being ridiculous and will eventually back down.
Could just be his opinion.

 

[wrd]

For what it’s worth

Paul O Keefe on Twitter has said tomorrow will be very important regarding this deal, he didn’t elaborate further so not sure what he was implying.

Also the hold up is the add ons, Gibson being ridiculous and will eventually back down.
Could just be his opinion.

Yeah in all seriousness I do think it's meaningful, I think Paratici has given us enough evidence to show he isn't scared to go rapidly shift directions. I'm guessing we will go after a different player very quickly if we don't land Spence tomorrow. My prediction would be Frimpong due to HG status and then a small possibility of Singo but I think we may baulk at the price demands.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

We will get a RWB. It's just funny that people are talking like it's the end of the window when it's far from it.

For Conte, the window closes soon…

A player that comes in late in the window faces a tough task getting up to speed particularly with multiple games per week in September cutting into training time.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

He is a match for him, if Levy didn’t get what he wanted. A negotiation isn’t about not letting the other person get what they want (that’s just called an ego), it’s about getting what you want.

Levy, time and time again fails to understand that football is a small world and you can’t always just beat somebody up when you have the chance. The transfer market is more akin to the political world than the business world. We are probably paying the price with Spence of pissing Gibson off when we fucked around with Downing. What goes around, absolutely comes around in football.

The transfer window that we failed to sign Downing was the same transfer window that we did sign Jermain Defoe for the second time; Robbie Keane, also for the second time; Wilson Palacios; and Pascal Chimbonda. It was a really good window for Spurs. It quite possibly saved us from relegation and helped us to CL qualification the following season.

Furthermore, Middlesbrough wanted Gareth Bale as part of the deal. I dunno about you but I’m pretty fucking glad that Levy walked away from that.

As to negotiation being about “getting what you want”, that’s only partially true. More accurately, it’s about getting what you want for a price that you are willing to pay. If the other party in the negotiation wants more and you refuse to pay it, then you haven’t lost or been outmanoeuvred. You simply weren’t able to reach an agreement.

Lastly, I think it highly unlikely that Gibson is allowing an emotional reaction to a failed deal 13 years ago to determine his current stance. If he is demanding an unrealistically high price for Spence, it’s only because he thinks that he has a strong hand. Time will tell whether he is right about that but, given the two clubs’ trajectories since the Downing negotiations, it’s quite evident that Levy has made more good decisions and fewer bad decisions than Gibson.

 

[DenverSpur]

According to O’Keefe on Twitter… (no idea how to add the image/tweet here)

Not quite. Would be easy if it was just being 2 mill apart. They want PL debut bonus, CL debut bonus, Eng call up bonus & X per appearance in each. Plus a sell on %

Has any other player had those sort of “bonus” add ons as part of their transfer? I’ve heard of extra after so many games started but not x per appearance. Are they selling him or renting him to us?

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

I’m surprised we don’t seem to be going after a more ambitious option for RWB that would instantly improve the starting 11.
Am probably wrong, but I just don’t think Spence gives us that.
That said I’ve only watched him twice for Forest - one for the future it seems, but not the calibre of player the others in the top 4 have available for that role.


Emerson and Docherty should be moved on,
and I’d like to see Spence and a next level RWB also brought in.
we have the best front two in Prem
history and we owe to them to bring someone in that can provide them with better service. Far more important than an attack mid I think.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

We will get a RWB. It's just funny that people are talking like it's the end of the window when it's far from it.

I think it’s just because it’s a very key position to ideally have in for the pre season tour, if it was a 2nd cb for example there isn’t as much of a rush in comparison if lenglet is done.

 

[spurs mental]

Docherty

 

[Johno1470]

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To be fair, it’s spelt how it’s pronounced.

 

[Stamford]

If levy wants to stand his ground and look elsewhere that's fine and more power to him. But I'm not going to con myself into thinking Doherty or Emerson are good enough for next season. It's a big priority for me

 

[DiamondLites]

If not Spence, then fine, but who? Because if we start next season with Emerson and Doherty coming off a serious injury, then it will be utterly underwhelming

So who are the viable alternatives? Spence also addressed the HG requirement, do we still aim for a HG player at RWB? There was some chatter about Lamptey and Livramento a while ago but that came to nothing and don’t seem to be in the picture. Or do we look to add some HG players in other positions?

 

[FuturistiC123]

I’m surprised we don’t seem to be going after a more ambitious option for RWB that would instantly improve the starting 11.
Am probably wrong, but I just don’t think Spence gives us that.
That said I’ve only watched him twice for Forest - one for the future it seems, but not the calibre of player the others in the top 4 have available for that role.


Emerson and Docherty should be moved on,
and I’d like to see Spence and a next level RWB also brought in.
we have the best front two in Prem
history and we owe to them to bring someone in that can provide them with better service. Far more important than an attack mid I think.

I'm equally surprised to find that so many posters overlook how strongly we finished the season, and how free scoring we were on some occasions. I agree that a new RWB and left footed CB are needed. Having said that I would be happy with Davies and Lenglet. Conte and Partrici know the individual players weaknesses and strengths better than any of us. Conte transformed Moses into a decent WB, I'm pretty sure he can do the same with Kulu, who is a far more talented player.

Hugo

Romero Dier Davies

Kulu Bissouma Bentancur Peresic


Son Kane Richarlison

We are also fascinated by having someone who is quick, obviously it helps, but the Doc scored shedloads and made numerous assists for Wolves by timing his runs, playing one - twos and opening up defences. We've seen may examples of how well Kulu can cross and shoot from the right. He is athletic and he is a fine player. If we don't sign a shiny new RWB all will not be lost.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Most of the SCG were writing Spence off last season.

What does the Sydney Cricket ground know that we don’t ?

 

[JacoZA]

While there are many very valid criticisms of Doherty and Royal, I think it is sensible to keep in mind that both will now have their first full pre-season with Conte (Royal's first pre-season at Spurs even), which could well have a big effect. It would make sense for any opinions on these players based on last season to be held loosely, no matter how strong.