Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I mean, I want him but if this is true then Boro can do one. They clearly think he is TAA mk 2. Which he isn’t.

They can sell him for whatever they think they can get. If we keep going back in and offering more they keep holding fast, good for them. I think it gets done, it just won’t be before Korea. He can still fly out whenever it is done.

I have no doubt that we are working on other options, I just can’t think of an attainable really top quality right wing back.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Doc was plenty good enough at the end of last season
Spence was written off by many a SCG.
I don't mind us getting in a new RWB, but is Spence an upgrade I don't know.
Presumably if we were certain he was we'd pay 25m and get it done.

Maybe not an upgrade but maybe something different. He seems to have been on our list and Conte clearly can work with wingbacks and make them much better. He is very good physically and is confident going forward.

 

[Clark28]

He’s only 3 months younger than Sessegnon.

When you compare their careers to date, I think it might be premature to expect guaranteed success from him.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I think the problem is we have all fallen for the “Conte wants him” line a bit too much. He probably made a lot more sense to Conte when he was a straight £15m transfer and as a HG talent helped round out the side. If it has veered towards the downright extortionate, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think Conte understands that the transfer of Spence, as it stands, is just ludicrous for the club to take on.

I think, myself included, we are all so quick/scared to think that if Conte doesn’t get his way with a single transfer he’s going to kick up a fuss, storm out the door and basically leave us in the cold. The reality is this isn’t a transformative transfer. It’s a young player with some good potential, and Conte likely acknowledges that. The good news is there is plenty of RWBs that meet that criteria and aren’t going to come with an English/HG ransom tax. Honestly, if Spence falling through would derail our entire squad building plan, that’s bad planning. For that reason, along with it being like 3 weeks into the window, I’m still calm about it all.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

He’s only 3 months younger than Sessegnon.

When you compare their careers to date, I think it might be premature to expect guaranteed success from him.

I don’t think anyone is expecting guaranteed success and certainly not instant success. Always felt like one where we saw the promise in him and the potential to mold him into a top level rwb. Sessegnon made an impact really early but so did Walcott, while Kane hit later and I know which worked out.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I think the problem is we have all fallen for the “Conte wants him” line a bit too much. He probably made a lot more sense to Conte when he was a straight £15m transfer and as a HG talent helped round out the side. If it has veered towards the downright extortionate, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think Conte understands that the transfer of Spence, as it stands, is just ludicrous for the club to take on.

I think, myself included, we are all so quick/scared to think that if Conte doesn’t get his way with a single transfer he’s going to kick up a fuss, storm out the door and basically leave us in the cold. The reality is this isn’t a transformative transfer. It’s a young player with some good potential, and Conte likely acknowledges that. The good news is there is plenty of RWBs that meet that criteria and aren’t going to come with an English/HG ransom tax. Honestly, if Spence falling through would derail our entire squad building plan, that’s bad planning. For that reason, along with it being like 3 weeks into the window, I’m still calm about it all.

Yeh I don’t worry about Conte throwing a fit and leaving at all. I think he is pretty committed and we are committed to him. A 15/20m player isn’t going to change that.

I don’t think Spence makes or breaks our plan. I do think wing backs are hard to find because it’s not a very commonly played position.

 

[gibbospurs]

lastchancegibbo"

I’ve had a few recently ?

 

[JayB]

I wonder if Dwight McNeil could be an alternative. Young, homegrown, should be available cheaply, has shown real signs of quality in the Premier League, and I reckon he has all the tools to work very well as a wingback. He's left footed but has played many matches on the right throughout his career. Ticks all the boxes and would give us a homegrown signing, meaning that we wouldn't have to change our target in the attacking midfield position purely for the sake of the HG issue.

 

[yellowbean]

From the info the ITKs have provided i dont get Gibson's approach. He has an offer for his 2nd choice right back that is at least 25% above what the expected fee was and he is risking a berahino situation.
I appreciate he is trying to do the best for his club but that might be to stop sparring with Levy and give a good manager in Wilder the funds to push for promotion.
No better future add ons then a ticket to the PL gravy train...

 

[djhotspur]

I believe that I heard that on Chris Cowlin's YT show. Sorry, can't find the link to the exact show.

Here's a link to show that we initially offered 40 million which Kenwright rejected - https://www.skysports.com/football/...ttenham-complete-60m-deal-for-everton-forward.

My point isn't that Levy can't do fast deals. He obviously can (Van Der Vaart and more). The issue is that he has bad chemistry with certain people (Aulas, Gibson, Peace and others). Doesn't mean some of those deals don't work out. But they are tortuous, especially when we are trying to become a more professional and streamlined outfit where getting people in for pre-season is prioritized more than saving a million here or there.

We have had a lot itk that Aulas, Gibson, kenright etc all get on well and respect levy.

 

[djhotspur]

I wonder if Dwight McNeil could be an alternative. Young, homegrown, should be available cheaply, has shown real signs of quality in the Premier League, and I reckon he has all the tools to work very well as a wingback. He's left footed but has played many matches on the right throughout his career. Ticks all the boxes and would give us a homegrown signing, meaning that we wouldn't have to change our target in the attacking midfield position purely for the sake of the HG issue.

He’s lazy. I’ve watched a lot of him and he doesn’t track back enough.

 

[cliff jones]

I wonder if Dwight McNeil could be an alternative. Young, homegrown, should be available cheaply, has shown real signs of quality in the Premier League, and I reckon he has all the tools to work very well as a wingback. He's left footed but has played many matches on the right throughout his career. Ticks all the boxes and would give us a homegrown signing, meaning that we wouldn't have to change our target in the attacking midfield position purely for the sake of the HG issue.

offensively, I'm with you. But it's really difficult off the ball, defensively. Dier and Sanchez play more centrally, but neither is good tackling on their left side. McNeill isn't on his right side.

I agree with most, our two current options are OK, and Gibson will blink even if it's as late as deadline day. And Conte is highly unlikely to kick up on Spence alone if he gets all his other targets in nice and early. Which he pretty much has.

Wrong thread I know, but I really think we need Bremer or someone else in as well. Dier is solid but needs competition. He has always looked leggy when he plays PL-CL-PL in a single week. Just Lenglet into the CB ranks isn't enough.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I find it amazing that anyone could be happy if we had Emerson and Doherty as right wing backs next season.

Spence may have a lot of developing to do but he has the raw attributes that Emerson and Doherty lack. The explosiveness, the speed, the ability to beat players and get to the byline, to play dynamically.

Emerson for example is such a static player. Lack of pace, can’t beat players, receives the ball in space and essentially stops the ball and halts momentum in an attack etc.

Doherty showed good improvement and could be a decent option this season but even he lacks the kind of pace and dribbling/ball carrying skills you want to see in a wing back.

Having Doherty with experience and then Spence with the potential and raw attributes would give us a much better dynamic next season.

He won’t be the finished article but he will be the right template of player which we currently lack. He could also explode playing with better players around him and being coached by Conte.

 

[spursfan77]

It was claimed that we negotiated for days and left it until the last day and offered £40mil just before they needed to comply with FFP. The deal eventually went through however it has claimed to have left us and Everton with a strained relationship.

Spoiler: Article

The £60m package agreed for the sale of Richarlison to Tottenham Hotspur last week is also expected to bolster Everton's position, with the deal concluded in time for it to be included within the annual set of accounts that ended last week. Club bosses are said to have been left furious by a £40m bid for the Brazil star tabled by Spurs at 4pm on June 30 - seen as an attempt to take advantage of Everton's desire to agree a sale before midnight. Despite that, a deal was eventually agreed though negotiations are said to have damaged the relationship between the two clubs.

Takeover plot to transfers as Everton's summer begins with a bang

Everton correspondent Joe Thomas looks back on a summer that has already been full of change, progress and controversy at the club

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Fuck them. They’d do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. These people are hard nosed business men used to doing these huge multi million pound deals. I really doubt they care at the end of the day about each others feeling, they just shake hands and get on with things. I’d take no notice of fall outs, it’s just journalist opinion.

 

[chrissivad]

Spence looks a much better fit into the system we are playing than Emerson.

 

[spurmin]

Spence looks a much better fit into the system we are playing than Emerson.

Still don’t see him walking in to the first team as a starter. Don’t think Emerson Royal will be sold. IMO

 

[Hotspur88]

Chill ??

We have almost brought in 5 new players this window and although I agree a new RWB is a must, it isn't the end of the world that we haven't brought one in yet.

I guess we've been spoilt with the early activity and people now think we can achieve everything in the first few weeks of the window.

It would have been great to have a RWB wrapped up for Korea, but it isn't the end of the world.

We are in good hands, we will sign another CB in addition to Lenglet and we will sign a RWB. We will almost certainly bring a creative CM in as well so relax.

Most teams in the Prem will be envious of the business we have done already this window ??

 

[chrissivad]

Still don’t see him walking in to the first team as a starter. Don’t think Emerson Royal will be sold. IMO

I don't see why anyone would see him walking into the first team.

He clearly has attributes that we want for a RWB, is young and should develop a lot under Conte.

 

[spursfan77]

Chill ??

We have almost brought in 5 new players this window and although I agree a new RWB is a must, it isn't the end of the world that we haven't brought one in yet.

I guess we've been spoilt with the early activity and people now think we can achieve everything in the first few weeks of the window.

It would have been great to have a RWB wrapped up for Korea, but it isn't the end of the world.

We are in good hands, we will sign another CB in addition to Lenglet and we will sign a RWB. We will almost certainly bring a creative CM in as well so relax.

Most teams in the Prem will be envious of the business we have done already this window ??

I agree with this. Unlike lots I’m not too bothered if we miss out on Spence and if we do we have plenty of time to get someone else in. I would prefer a more experienced player to come in who is obviously going to be first choice.

I did post in the perisic thread yesterday an article which illustrated how much Conte’s wingbacks played at inter and how much they are expected to produce in terms of goals & assists. It is an interesting read. We need someone on average who is going to contribute 5/6 goals and 5/6 assists from that position. Is Spence the man to do that? He’s unproven so far, that’s all I know.

 

[jazz15c]

Emerson is very good defensively (see Liverpool game) but offers nothing going forward. He’s perfect for games vs Liverpool/City imo
Doherty is not as adept defensively but offers much more going forward. We can/should/will upgrade that position which can only be good news.