Player watch: Danny Rose

[BringBack_leGin]

Revisionist BBLG - Poch gave him time off in the summer to investigate joining other clubs. All we know for sure is that when the team returned from summer tour he was still here.

Oh I’m not saying any of my post of fact, I’m having a go at the people who have been saying that he’s be gone but for levy pricing him out, as this clearly isn’t that case, particularly one poster who used the ridiculous Watford story as a stick to beat levy with, saying that but for Levy we’d have managed to ship big mouth to them.

Your post reinforced my overriding point, that even allowing a player to conduct is job search all summer quite publicly didn't work.

 

[HildoSpur]

The guy appears to have a massive ego and has no regard for the fans in the way he talks about the club and his career here. I wouldnt mind that much if he was on top of his game giving everything on the pitch but he isn't. I really wish we had sold him a year ago.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

What a strangely selective way of viewing Rose. He has said some things in the past he probably should have, but one thing I can never hold against Rose is his effort on the pitch. Not too many Spurs players I can say have consistently always given their best. And those are the players we should "clear out"? Quite a few that should leave long before Rose based on his "attitude" or whatever you would call it.

you approve of Rose’s effort on the pitch? He’s been diabolical this season.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Look at Ramsey at Arsenal, refused to sign a new contract BUT still gave his all and performed well on the pitch. Arsenal ran us close for a Champions League finish and looked like pipping us to the post until Ramsey got injured again and they well away.

Now look at Eriksen and Rose in particular... ones refused all of contract offers and wants to leave and the other isn’t getting a new contract due to his attitude, poor form and injuries. Are both of these players maintaining an overall high level of performance? No. A good level of performance? No. Have they both been bloody awful? Yes.

There’s being professional and seeing out your contract eg Ramsey, and then there’s not giving a shit and feeling the wrath of the fans eg Alderweireld, Rose and Eriksen.

 

[Shadydan]

Look at Ramsey at Arsenal, refused to sign a new contract BUT still gave his all and performed well on the pitch. Arsenal ran us close for a Champions League finish and looked like pipping us to the post until Ramsey got injured again and they well away.

Now look at Eriksen and Rose in particular... ones refused all of contract offers and wants to leave and the other isn’t getting a new contract due to his attitude, poor form and injuries. Are both of these players maintaining an overall high level of performance? No. A good level of performance? No. Have they both been bloody awful? Yes.

There’s being professional and seeing out your contract eg Ramsey, and then there’s not giving a shit and feeling the wrath of the fans eg Alderweireld, Rose and Eriksen.

And this is why Poch shouldn't be picking them, should have made an example of them from day 1.

 

[wrd]

Look at Ramsey at Arsenal, refused to sign a new contract BUT still gave his all and performed well on the pitch. Arsenal ran us close for a Champions League finish and looked like pipping us to the post until Ramsey got injured again and they well away.

Now look at Eriksen and Rose in particular... ones refused all of contract offers and wants to leave and the other isn’t getting a new contract due to his attitude, poor form and injuries. Are both of these players maintaining an overall high level of performance? No. A good level of performance? No. Have they both been bloody awful? Yes.

There’s being professional and seeing out your contract eg Ramsey, and then there’s not giving a shit and feeling the wrath of the fans eg Alderweireld, Rose and Eriksen.

Problem is in Rose case that his alternative Davies hasn't done any better, which is why we keep seeing Rose giving a go as we spin the roulette wheel to see what out of form player deserves to start next. Only alternative was if we chucked Sessegnon in early which hasn't been viable due to injuries and we still don't even know if he's considered a LB. I hope he is and Poch takes the risk early personally.

 

[spurnut]

Another player that doesnt want to be at spurs! Sell the prick

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Problem is in Rose case that his alternative Davies hasn't done any better, which is why we keep seeing Rose giving a go as we spin the roulette wheel to see what out of form player deserves to start next. Only alternative was if we chucked Sessegnon in early which hasn't been viable due to injuries and we still don't even know if he's considered a LB. I hope he is and Poch takes the risk early personally.

Subject to fitness and Poch not freezing players out he deemed worthy in the summer but not now... the following can all play left back and/or left wingback.

Rose
Davies
Vertonghen
Sessegnon
Aurier
KWP

Barring Vertonghen they’re all now fit... plenty of options should we decide to banish Rose.

 

[Havre]

you approve of Rose’s effort on the pitch? He’s been diabolical this season.

Effort as in him trying - yes. Effort as in playing well - no he has not played well, but if you want him to leave because he hasn't been playing well how many players would we have left? Son?

Aurier, Vertonghen, Davies etc. have not been better. Even Alderweireld has looked %%!%¤! at times. And I'm not sure if Sanchez has been any better. He was pretty diabolical himself against Sheffield.

So when some are saying "people like Rose" should leave I'm pretty curious as to who should stay? Rose with Sessegnon actually makes quite a lot of sense. Davies is the player that should leave long before Rose.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Effort as in him trying - yes. Effort as in playing well - no he has not played well, but if you want him to leave because he hasn't been playing well how many players would we have left? Son?

Aurier, Vertonghen, Davies etc. have not been better. Even Alderweireld has looked %%!%¤! at times. And I'm not sure if Sanchez has been any better. He was pretty diabolical himself against Sheffield.

So when some are saying "people like Rose" should leave I'm pretty curious as to who should stay? Rose with Sessegnon actually makes quite a lot of sense. Davies is the player that should leave long before Rose.

You can’t put in 100% effort and perform poorly at the same time. This season Rose has been dreadful going forward, positionally all over the place and reverted back to not tracking back... none of that equates to 100% effort. Rose used to be very a very good, enthusiastic full back but not anymore, he’s finished at the highest level.

Davies on the other hand is too slow and doesn’t fit into the system we play. He is however a very good defender, years left in the tank and happy to be a squad player.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Another player that doesnt want to be at spurs! Sell the prick

Isn't it the opposite?

He wants to be at spurs, was hoping to be offered a new deal, doesn't want to be forced out ?

 

[wrd]

Subject to fitness and Poch not freezing players out he deemed worthy in the summer but not now... the following can all play left back and/or left wingback.

Rose
Davies
Vertonghen
Sessegnon
Aurier
KWP

Barring Vertonghen they’re all now fit... plenty of options should we decide to banish Rose.

Are they better options though? sounds like the word coming out about Aurier is that he has blown his last chance judging by the noise from AG. KWP doesn't seem trusted at RB letalone LB. so we're pretty much back where we started. I'm just saying I can understand why Rose hasn't been banished. He's been poor but so have all the other options except Sessegnon.

 

[sausage]

The point being? Did Danny Rose write the article?

Tone is not exclusively audible - choices of words dictate tone. I obviously expected too much.

The manner and tone of a statement is just as much about the choice of words than it is the inflection.

 

[Havre]

Tone is not exclusively audible - choices of words dictate tone. I obviously expected too much.

The manner and tone of a statement is just as much about the choice of words than it is the inflection.

You are saying every quote in the English press is word by word correct?

I obviously expected too much as well.

 

[sausage]

You are saying every quote in the English press is word by word correct?

I obviously expected too much as well.

Yes, if it is in double quotes.


Are you trying to defend Rose by suggesting the quotes are fake??

 

[Havre]

Yes, if it is in double quotes.


Are you trying to defend Rose by suggesting the quotes are fake??

I'm suggesting that things can be taken out of context, modified etc. yes.

I have been interviewed several times with quotes that didn't reflect word by word what I actually said. Not necessarily because I think the journalist wanted to twist my words - even though in sports press that clearly happens quite often.

 

[sausage]

I'm suggesting that things can be taken out of context, modified etc. yes.

I have been interviewed several times with quotes that didn't reflect word by word what I actually said. Not necessarily because I think the journalist wanted to twist my words - even though in sports press that clearly happens quite often.

This was in an interview for England with a lot of journalists reporting the exact same thing, in double quotes, so it's verbatim.

To go back to the original point, a quote can have a tone in the words.

 

[Stamford]

I'm suggesting that things can be taken out of context, modified etc. yes.

I have been interviewed several times with quotes that didn't reflect word by word what I actually said. Not necessarily because I think the journalist wanted to twist my words - even though in sports press that clearly happens quite often.

The fact that this interview happened on England duty, first chance he got is pretty telling

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I think Poch's over rotation of full backs doesn't help. We've seen a decline in our fullback play since he started doing it. Reportedly pissed off Kyle Walker with it as well.

By all means give a fullback a rest when needed but for crying out loud they can play 2 or 3 games in a row, and build up some decent form.

 

[sammyj]

Simply don't play him anymore