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Player watch: Danny Rose

Shadydan

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Danny Rose is all about Danny Rose. One of the very few times I managed to be privy to itk was when a family member shared a coach journey with him during the Olympics with Team GB. The message that was received loud and clear was that if he wasn't first choice after his loan move to Sunderland that he'd be leaving and that he was already clearly better than BAE in his own opinion. Total dick and full of himself.

Sounds well believable
 

Shadydan

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It's obviously about Money. Any out of contract player will benefit significantly from a future club not having to pay a transfer fee.

For me, any player that explicitly announces that they are running the contract out should be with the reserves. Clearly not committed, obviously no intention to stay, so their game is bound to slip. Even if that's a small percentage, that can't happen at the top level.

Regardless of past efforts and successes. DR, TA, JV and CE should be nowhere near fully committed players who are giving everything.
All kinds of bad messages if one of the above gets picked ahead.

? How are you not committed when you intend to run your contract down, I mean he literally says he intends to stay until the end.

Strange world we live in when a player intends to see how his contract and people say they're non-committal.
 

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? How are you not committed when you intend to run your contract down, I mean he literally says he intends to stay until the end.

Strange world we live in when a player intends to see how his contract and people say they're non-committal.

He clearly isn't committed, it's not strange at all. He's seeing out his contract because it benefits him financially to do so. He can pick up a huge signing on bonus on what's likely to be his last contract. Dont believe for a second that Rose gives AF.
 

Shadydan

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He clearly isn't committed, it's not strange at all. He's seeing out his contract because it benefits him financially to do so. He can pick up a huge signing on bonus on what's likely to be his last contract. Dont believe for a second that Rose gives AF.

He could get a move and get paid more and get a huge signing on bonus if he wanted to. Pretty sure he's just don't it to spite the board tbh :D
 

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If players leave on a free after running down their contracts, that mismanagement by the directors, not misconduct by the players.
It's surely neither.

Players have to be offered a contract of a determinate length rather than being given permanent employment. The directors may have in mind to sell the player before the end of it to recoup some of the investment but - as with the initial contract negotiations - such a course of action needs to be agreed by both parties. If the player doesn't want to go, that isn't directorial mismanagement; it's just a contingency plan not coming to fruition because of circumstances beyond the directors' control.

There are two choices for directors when signing a player: a shorter or longer term contract. Both have potential risks and rewards. Levy has usually got this right. It is unfortunate for him that at this time several players - from all of whom the club has undeniably received its money's worth - have decided at the same time to see out their contracts and, by doing so, not allow the club to cash in.
 

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Levy has usually got this right. It is unfortunate for him that at this time several players - from all of whom the club has undeniably received its money's worth - have decided at the same time to see out their contracts and, by doing so, not allow the club to cash in.
Unfortunate? I think you're being kind there.......that's not the word I'd use.

I really can't see that several players simultaneously decided to run their contracts down, one or two even stated their willingness or desire to leave. Eriksen being the prime example.

I refuse to believe that at some point over the past year to 18 months there wasn't one interested party in several of our players but what I can readily believe is that we were asking too much for them. Weren't we hearing figures of 50m being asked for at least two players with a year or so left to run on their contracts?

I'm not suggesting this is fact, but if this poor form being shown by the team were to be analysed it wouldn't surprise me at all if part of it is down to offers being rejected/refusals to compromise and or promises being broken as some (not all) of the major letdowns have been those same players.

And if I'm wrong, that's cool, it's only a suggestion but for me, slice it how you like, the buck stops with Levy on this one. I don't see why he should be given a free ride with 'unfortunate' when we're so readily harsh with everyone else.
 

Kiedis

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He could get a move and get paid more and get a huge signing on bonus if he wanted to. Pretty sure he's just don't it to spite the board tbh :D

Really not sure anyone would pay this Danny Rose anything close to the 60 000 he's reportedly getting from us. His stock will only get lower from here, and clubs are getting smarter.
 

spursfan77

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Quite a few actually, bear in mind that Rose is on the same wage as Patrick Van Aanholt, he's getting paid less than Digne and Coleman at Everton, Ryan Bertrand at Southampton, less than Ogbonna and Reid at West Ham


So he’s getting paid his current worth then as far as I’m concerned.
 

nailsy

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Similar attitude to Sol, at least we can comfort ourselves that Arsenal wont want him

It's nothing like Sol. Sol lied to the club for a year and then stitched us up. Rose is being honest about his intentions.

Seriously? At the absolute least it's unprofessional, especially given how he's publicly dragged internal affairs through the media multiple times before and been warned about it. To say he's done absolutely nothing wrong is ridiculous.

I kind of agree, but then the club also went public to say that he'd been left out of the pre season tour “to explore prospective opportunities with other clubs”. The implication there was that he wanted to leave. And he's probably been been getting stick because of it. - it's certainly been mentioned on here a few times. Why isn't he allowed to set the record straight? If the club don't want him talking to the media about his future plans then surely they should keep quiet about it as well?
 

Shadydan

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Really not sure anyone would pay this Danny Rose anything close to the 60 000 he's reportedly getting from us. His stock will only get lower from here, and clubs are getting smarter.

Acting as if West Ham don't exist...
 

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I'm sick of this guy mouthing off to the tabloids every 3 months, never good either. He's disrespecting the club.

This. People were continuously using his depression as an excuse to attack anyone who legitimately criticises his repeated self-interested childish behaviour as though they’re being kind when in fact it’s incredibly ignorant and insulting toward people with clinical depression. It’s weird, but mine didn’t make me make solipsistic snarky comments about people who pay my wages or my colleagues, it just made me withdrawn and profoundly empty - you know, like the symptoms of clinical depression. I don’t like his qualified apology much either which amounted to saying ‘yeah I’m sorry if what I did bothers you but I was right’. it’s like sterling’s recently where instead of just saying sorry it has to be ‘I’m man enough to apologise...’. If he’s man enough to apologise then how come he isn’t doing so without dressing it up in how he’s man enough to do so.........

Depression is not the only aspect of his personality and not all his actions are attributable to it. There are other more sinister defences I’ve seen used for him but that isn’t his fault. Also, there is a difference, though not an absolute one, between what is diagnosable and what is a personality trait, that gets blurred when people start scrutinising it.

I have mixed feelings about Danny rose. He simultaneously plays the victim and then eschews doing so in ways other high profile footballers revel in, which I really respect. On the one hand I feel about him as I did about assou-ekotto, that what initially attracted platitudes about ‘refreshing honesty’ has over time, by only ever manifesting as solipsistic comments, proven to be nothing more than selfishness and a mercenary attitude. Sometimes, being honest about how you feel is also being completely selfish and tactless.

on the other hand, I remember his support for Ryan mason, which was a lot more vociferous than that of others and completely genuine and I was really touched by that as at the time there were a lot of false divides being made between players under false pretences which I can’t be bothered to go into. His simplicity as a person, rather than this weird notion he’s intelligent and articulate (not sure where that’s come from) undercut all that, is creditable and was really nice to see. we all have flaws in our character and are a mixture of things, some of us more so than others, and so my feelings about him are similarly conflicted, with both aspects having legitimacy IMO.

i also think he;s the soul twin of this bloke:

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rabbikeane

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? How are you not committed when you intend to run your contract down, I mean he literally says he intends to stay until the end.

Strange world we live in when a player intends to see how his contract and people say they're non-committal.

Think Chelsea fans had the same with Winston Bogarde. Nothing wrong with sitting out your contract.

Manager that keeps him around the team and still gives him minutes however ...
 
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Unfortunate? I think you're being kind there.......that's not the word I'd use.

I really can't see that several players simultaneously decided to run their contracts down, one or two even stated their willingness or desire to leave. Eriksen being the prime example.

I refuse to believe that at some point over the past year to 18 months there wasn't one interested party in several of our players but what I can readily believe is that we were asking too much for them. Weren't we hearing figures of 50m being asked for at least two players with a year or so left to run on their contracts?

I'm not suggesting this is fact, but if this poor form being shown by the team were to be analysed it wouldn't surprise me at all if part of it is down to offers being rejected/refusals to compromise and or promises being broken as some (not all) of the major letdowns have been those same players.

And if I'm wrong, that's cool, it's only a suggestion but for me, slice it how you like, the buck stops with Levy on this one. I don't see why he should be given a free ride with 'unfortunate' when we're so readily harsh with everyone else.

That's all well and good, but the evidence suggests that players aren't leaving because they are getting mixed messages from the manager.

He needs to decide who he does and doesn't want, tell them, and stop publicly confusing them with whether they are good enough or not. It's not done us any favours, and unwanted players won't leave if they think they have a chance still - which is a waste of time if he's never going to play them nor tell them they won't play
 

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That's all well and good, but the evidence suggests that players aren't leaving because they are getting mixed messages from the manager.

He needs to decide who he does and doesn't want, tell them, and stop publicly confusing them with whether they are good enough or not. It's not done us any favours, and unwanted players won't leave if they think they have a chance still - which is a waste of time if he's never going to play them nor tell them they won't play
I'm not quite sure what any of that has to do with my post.
 

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It’s all words.
Actually, cancel that @sausage it just clicked, sorry.

And I don't agree at all. I'm pretty sure Toby and Eriksen aren't in their situations because of mixed messages from the manager. Rose certainly isn't we've very recent quotes from him on that which actually indicate the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not sure who's left that would make that an issue.
 
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Actually, cancel that @sausage it just clicked, sorry.

And I don't agree at all. I'm pretty sure Toby and Eriksen aren't in their situations because of mixed messages from the manager. Rose certainly isn't we've very recent quotes from him on that which actually indicate the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not sure who's left that would make that an issue.

Rose has actually - as has Trippier.

Poch seems to want rid, but is clearly stopping short of telling the players to their faces - he's leaving DL to be bad cop, and it's not working.

If we can't shift all those players, and Poch doesn't want them gone (or doesn't communicate that), the net result is that Poch keeps the players. Can't complain about it really, in that case?

We don't know about Jan/Toby, but Jan has openly expressed a desire to stay. I don't believe Poch would have any problems extending his deal if he wanted it to happen.
 
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