Paul Robinson

[jonathanhotspur]

Unless Gomes gets back to his 2009-2010 form soon then he'll need reviewing in the summer. Not been good enough this season. Seems to make a big mistake every game. Don't know what's happened to him - one of the league's best last year with the potential to be so again. Need him and Tony Parks to get back to what they were doing before. Cudicini is crap.

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[danielneeds]

Robbo - nice bloke, good reaction shotstopper. The rest of his keeping is gash though.

 

[bouncebackability]

He may have let a few in from distance but he also holds the record for the longest distance goal in Premier League history....!

 

[DogsOfWar]

ENGLANDS NUMBER ONE!!!

Come on guys...Robinson was immense for us untill Ramos turned up! He loved us!

Robinson has never been 'immense' for us.

Prem goalkeepers have shot/save ratios of roughly 60% (the worst) to 80% (the best).
In Robbo's best season with us, when we came 5th for the first time, he saved 65% of all shots putting him below the Premiership average.
His current 'best ever season' sees him at 69% which is pretty much the average.

Gomes current rate is 77% making him one of the best. Even during his dodgy period when he first came here the worst it dropped to was around 72%.

So Gomes at his worst is still better than Robbo at his best.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

No way was very overated coz of his rapport with fad was he superglued to
His line?

 

[MikeCOYS]

He's a yiddo but not sure if he would be an improvement to Gomes. He certainly won't want to sit on the bench like Cuduicini.

If we do buy a GK it has to be improvement to Gomes, otherwise no point. Reina sounds good, but that's just greedy.

 

[jrio]

Robinson has never been 'immense' for us.

Prem goalkeepers have shot/save ratios of roughly 60% (the worst) to 80% (the best).
In Robbo's best season with us, when we came 5th for the first time, he saved 65% of all shots putting him below the Premiership average.
His current 'best ever season' sees him at 69% which is pretty much the average.

Gomes current rate is 77% making him one of the best. Even during his dodgy period when he first came here the worst it dropped to was around 72%.

So Gomes at his worst is still better than Robbo at his best.

Goalkeeping is about much more than shot stopping. Shot stopping is the easiest part of goalkeeping. On the criteria of distribution, crosses, judgement and communication Robbo easily out-shined Gomes when at Spurs.

He also never pranced around with an exaggerated injury, something Gomes has done embarrassingly on several occasions.

 

[olijones83]

Goalkeeping is about much more than shot stopping. Shot stopping is the easiest part of goalkeeping. On the criteria of distribution, crosses, judgement and communication Robbo easily out-shined Gomes when at Spurs.

He also never pranced around with an exaggerated injury, something Gomes has done embarrassingly on several occasions.

yes, shot stopping is the most fundamental part of goalkeeping. And Gomes' (usually) is far better than Robinson - as those stats bear out. Robinson may have better distribution and communication - due to speaking fluent English - but his ability on crosses was average and became appalling and his judgement and positioning was woeful. Gomes has had a poor season, and if someone like Reina, or even Howard or Jaaskeleinen came on the market, we should be very interested. Signing Robinson would be like bringing back Malbranque - reasonable player, popular, but massively flawed and a huge step backwards.

no need to speculate on this anyway. never going to happen.

 

[jrio]

yes, shot stopping is the most fundamental part of goalkeeping. And Gomes' (usually) is far better than Robinson - as those stats bear out. Robinson may have better distribution and communication - due to speaking fluent English - but his ability on crosses was average and became appalling and his judgement and positioning was woeful. Gomes has had a poor season, and if someone like Reina, or even Howard or Jaaskeleinen came on the market, we should be very interested. Signing Robinson would be like bringing back Malbranque - reasonable player, popular, but massively flawed and a huge step backwards.

no need to speculate on this anyway. never going to happen.

You don't need fluent English to communicate with defenders, not in the PL this century, certainly not at Spurs. The keeper doesn't need to recite a passage of Shakespeare to keep his defenders informed of what he is doing and what he wants them to do. Usually at least half of them in front of Gomes have French as their first language, a language much closer to Portuguese than English to French.

 

[olijones83]

You're taking that too literally. Neither have particularly good communication skills as goalkeepers. Robinson's is better simply through virtue of speaking English. Neither seems to command their defense particularly well. Gomes isn't aggressive enough and Robinson just makes bad decisions - although he always seemed to be more vocal than Gomes is now

 

[danielneeds]

Goalkeeping is about much more than shot stopping. Shot stopping is the easiest part of goalkeeping. On the criteria of distribution, crosses, judgement and communication Robbo easily out-shined Gomes when at Spurs.

He also never pranced around with an exaggerated injury, something Gomes has done embarrassingly on several occasions.

Robinson came for a cross? Can you describe this event, cos the guy was always superglued to his line whenever I was down the lane. He has no footwork at all. That is why he got beaten by long shots, and he was never confident enough to come crosses that were right under him.

 

[jrio]

Robinson came for a cross? Can you describe this event, cos the guy was always superglued to his line whenever I was down the lane. He has no footwork at all. That is why he got beaten by long shots, and he was never confident enough to come crosses that were right under him.

That isn't why he was regularly beaten by long shots. His failing there was complacency in not addressing changed circumstances, principally that once Carrick had gone he became far more exposed to direct shots and had lost peak fitness, something Harry stymied as soon as he could by bringing in Palacios and ensuring that attackers were regularly blocked or shepherded away from goal, something clearly in evidence in the home games towards the end of last season.

In his first full season with us no one was levelling criticisms against him regarding shot stopping(In fact, as at Leeds, it was one of his strengths).

I don't recall him failing as badly as Gomes did against Drogba's shot several weeks ago, compounding it by a dreadful error of judgement to then concede a penalty minutes later. Comparing ability in dealing with crosses, Gomes has made Robbo look like some kind of whiz kid. Gomes rarely sees a cross he wouldn't rather punch, even one that is placed directly into his body without a challenge.

 

[MikeCOYS]

English is vital to our team, as our team is mostly English. But it's not important as long as the GK and his players in-front of him understands him telepathically, like knows when he'll pass to you, know when to help out etc...

I'd prefer Gomes, bringing in P.R will be a waste of money. I agree Cudicini isn't a good 2nd choice GK but P.R is too good to be 2nd choice, he won't sit on the bench.

Overall, based on performances Gomes has the upper-hand over P.R. I wouldn't mind P.R rejoining but don't see the point, best moment was when he scored against Watford against Ben Foster, it was good to show off to your mates and say, "Bet your keeper can't do that " Then again he made a howler for England miskicking the ball, why do all Spurs GK make bad mistakes or stupidly funny mistakes? Like Alnwick throw the ball into his own net lol (I think it was Alnwick, he tried power-throw the ball but it back-fired and into his own net...).

 

[Brewster]

Every goal Robinson concedes is a lob because he starts running outwards as the shot is taken and ends up not being able to reach it....i got so frustrated by that i'd rather Gomes even if he isnt on form at the moment.

 

[Davo99]

If we had to replace Gomes, I'd have Given over Robinson anyday. Jaaskeleinen(sp) and Friedel too. Ben Foster? Cudicini? There's better keepers out there.

 

[dimiSpur]

Lets be honest, we all love Robbo as a bloke, and would love to see him back as a number 2, cos he's better than Cudicini and loves the club, but we all know that he's pretty shit and shouldn't be allowed back between the sticks at Spurs at number one. Unless Take It Like A Fan are coming to WHL next week and they wanna give the fan who takes a pen at half time a good chance of winning for once with Robbo keeping goal.

 

[danielneeds]

That isn't why he was regularly beaten by long shots. His failing there was complacency in not addressing changed circumstances, principally that once Carrick had gone he became far more exposed to direct shots and had lost peak fitness, something Harry stymied as soon as he could by bringing in Palacios and ensuring that attackers were regularly blocked or shepherded away from goal, something clearly in evidence in the home games towards the end of last season.

This is absolute rubbish, you don't understand goalkeeping.

Palacios doesn't play every week, yet even when we play with Jenas and Modric we still don't seem to concede a series of long shots.

What does "lost peak fitness mean"? That he was a bit fat? Neville Southall played in goals for Everton when he was twice the size of Robbo and still didn't get made to look a mug by every pot shot fizzed toward him. Footwork is the key to every good keeper, the ones who have it don't even need to make Hollywood saves because they are always in a good positon.

Robbo's footwork was non-existent.

In his first full season with us no one was levelling criticisms against him regarding shot stopping(In fact, as at Leeds, it was one of his strengths).

Reaction shot-stopping has always been his great strength, but that is different to positioning.

I don't recall him failing as badly as Gomes did against Drogba's shot several weeks ago, compounding it by a dreadful error of judgement to then concede a penalty minutes later.

Gomes made a mistake against Drogba, of that there is no arguing. In comparisson though I will point you to Robbo's positioning when conceding to Drogba in the CC final. Beaten on his side of the wall by a tame shot. School-boy stuff, and as bad as Gomes' one on its own way.[/QUOTE]

Comparing ability in dealing with crosses, Gomes has made Robbo look like some kind of whiz kid. Gomes rarely sees a cross he wouldn't rather punch, even one that is placed directly into his body without a challenge.

To this, I will say it is very hard to know whether Robbo catches or punches crosses, or misses all together, because his poor footwork and general lack of stomach means he stays rooted on his line for even crosses under his head.

Gomes is far from perfect in this sense, but at least defenders know he will come for crosses in his six yard box, any defender will tell you he prefers a keeper who comes and misses the odd one, to a keeper who does come for any.

 

[Stoof]

Would be interesting to see Robbo with a proper midfield in front of him. As opposed to one that let people waltz through and have a poke from 30 yards.

I love Paul Robinson - and I think he's absolute quality.

England's Fucking Number One. Hope he comes back.

 

[$hoguN]

Would be interesting to see Robbo with a proper midfield in front of him. As opposed to one that let people waltz through and have a poke from 30 yards.

I love Paul Robinson - and I think he's absolute quality.

England's Fucking Number One. Hope he comes back.

This is very much how I feel. You arr far more likely to beaten from distance if the midfield and defence are not familiar with the concepts of closing players down and denying the opposition a clear sight of goal from 30 yeards out.

The guy was a legend while he was here, people seem to forget how many times he made crucial saves for us in the past. He may not be as good as Gomes when they are both on top form, but he certainly was a very good keeper for us

 

[archiewasking]

Would be interesting to see Robbo with a proper midfield in front of him. As opposed to one that let people waltz through and have a poke from 30 yards.

I love Paul Robinson - and I think he's absolute quality.

England's Fucking Number One. Hope he comes back.

I love Gomes. But I'm with you all the way on this one, Stoofy. :clap: