Next Manager Watch

[JCRD]

Any chairman with half a brain knows thst there is very little good will with supporters at the moment. Therefore they would be moving heaven and earth to fix that.

yet at spurs we’re likely to appoint the cheapest option. i guess thats our true DNA.

Ange is going to need a start of epic/miracle proportions otherwise he’ll be hounded out by october.

I think this is true - he will need to but I also think the fans will cut him a lot of slack and any issues aimed at Levy et al. If it is Ange, I think he will come in - charm the panties off us - a bit like Jol really. We will like Ange and his style - whether some think he is good enough is a separate issue and if he isnt, that is on Levy

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Slot would have cost more in compensation than a years wages for Conte. Then there's his wages and his staff. Let's not forget Levy paid what he did to Conte and Jose because he saw them as sure things. He's not paying out big money for a project manager in the same way, not imo anyway.

All Fair Points

 

[LannerSpurs]

Can he speak English?

No idea but he's definitely well endowed

 

[Lancaster Spur]

I think this all boils down to having to fill two positions that have to work hand in hand together at the same time. They have to have the same vision for the club, be available, and be able to satisfy the majority of fans who want the right name. Managers will want to know who the DOF will be and the DOFs will want a say in who the manager will be. Levy had made plenty of mistakes in recent history and let's face it, there isn't much optimism of him getting the next appointments right, but we need to get away from it being as simple just go out and offer whoever, whatever they want.

 

[nedley]

Slot would have cost more in compensation than a years wages for Conte. Then there's his wages and his staff. Let's not forget Levy paid what he did to Conte and Jose because he saw them as sure things. He's not paying out big money for a project manager in the same way, not imo anyway.

All arse about face.

 

[Gspurs11]

No idea but he's definitely well endowed

Having a Gary Glitter statue in 2023 is controversial to say the least!

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I think this is true - he will need to but I also think the fans will cut him a lot of slack and any issues aimed at Levy et al. If it is Ange, I think he will come in - charm the panties off us - a bit like Jol really. We will like Ange and his style - whether some think he is good enough is a separate issue and if he isnt, that is on Levy

Any manager who comes in will largely be greeted by the normal fanfare and that will include a large part of the support proclaiming he is the greatest ever and reincarnation of Nicholson - you only really have to look at the furore about Slot who I would guess a large per-centage of us had never heard of until a few months ago now people are bewildered that we wouldn't a monster fee for a man who was won the Dutch League albeit with a compelling style which is not always the most competitive -

then there is another part of the support questioning the sanity of anything the club does and blaming Levy anyway - I think most will get behind a new manager and would be accepting of someone like Ange with his attitude , openess and positivity which would be a refreshing change and would be buy him time which all but the insane realise he would need

 

[wrd]

Slot would have cost more in compensation than a years wages for Conte. Then there's his wages and his staff. Let's not forget Levy paid what he did to Conte and Jose because he saw them as sure things. He's not paying out big money for a project manager in the same way, not imo anyway.

It's been backed by the fact he ended up resigning with Feyernoord I think

 

[the stick man]

Possibly get negged to within an inch of my life here and probably indulging in a massive dose of confirmation bias but, for me, JN is our guy and has been top/joint top since pretty much day 1. I know our management have shown their apparent incompetence on more than one occasion but not to be actively going after him would be up there with anything they have or haven't done during their tenure. Perhaps there's something I've missed and I'm sure i will be soon corrected but my reasoning is as follows:

He has the profile we should be and we seem to be looking for.
Levy is a fan and wanted him before his stint at Bayern.
He's turned down Chelsea and has commented on that.
We vehemently denied being in contact (methinks too heavyhandedly).
He's made no comment on the link with us.
We don't really seem to be actively pursuing anyone else, even though we've been without a manager for 2 months now even though it has probably cost us Europe in what could be HK"s last season.

Now I'm going to try and square the above circle as it just doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Bayern retain his registration.
They've been a bit of a shitshow internally for the past few years too.
Due to this, they removed one of the (potentially) top German managers in the world, while a point off the head of the table (with game in hand iirc), while deep in the CL (and unbeaten in that competition) and while still being in the German Cup.
This internal unease has further being proven by their removal of OK and HS from their jobs in the aftermath of winning the league. Two of their many legends.
They paid a lot of money to get him out of his previous contract and have put him on gardening leave to try and recoup some of their outlay so perhaps we're waiting for them to blink first. Perhaps the rumoured clause for reduced compensation was only active in the last few years of his contract and they retain a +1 option. Maybe that's why we were so vehement about having no interest.
For me, AS ticked all the boxes too but a little less proven in a lesser league yet we didn't really seem to put our best foot forward there. We flirted. The optics of giving chase were there, but we seem to not to have tested the depth of feyenoords resolve to keep their man.
The whole DOF thing feeds into this flight of fancy too. Maybe we haven't appointed anyone yet because our choice could be considered to be a "Nagelsmann choice" and would keep Bayern on their toes about potentially recouping some of their outlay.
Unsure whether Bayern winning the title and potentially resolving some of their internal issues has put a spanner in the works or has helped our cause but hopefully, with this being the end of the season, we'll be put out of our misery soon.

I know the above is a very positive spin. Littered with ifs/buts/maybes and gives our board an awful lot of perhaps undue credit but it's helping me sleep at night.

I love your optimism but there is no chance our board have a clue what they’re doing. Just look at the history of their decisions, 72 days to hire a criminal and nuno.

sorry but I think it will be Mason or Rodgers, simply because no one else wants it.

it could have been Poch

 

[Stoof]

Slot would have cost more in compensation than a years wages for Conte. Then there's his wages and his staff. Let's not forget Levy paid what he did to Conte and Jose because he saw them as sure things. He's not paying out big money for a project manager in the same way, not imo anyway.

And your other thread on the reality of no European football explains exactly why we didn’t pay up.

It’s understandable on that basis - but the fact that the mess has been created to start with is the issue.

 

[jbstarr14]

I think this all boils down to having to fill two positions that have to work hand in hand together at the same time. They have to have the same vision for the club, be available, and be able to satisfy the majority of fans who want the right name. Managers will want to know who the DOF will be and the DOFs will want a say in who the manager will be. Levy had made plenty of mistakes in recent history and let's face it, there isn't much optimism of him getting the next appointments right, but we need to get away from it being as simple just go out and offer whoever, whatever they want.

Seemingly more important than the DOF and Manager sharing the same vision for the club, is that they have to share *Levy’s* vision for the club.

This circus will continue until DL finally finds the two who say ‘Yes Daniel, I agree Daniel, good idea Daniel’.

Watching things play out the way they are, I just can’t see a world in which DL makes the best choice for THFC, rather than the easiest choice for himself.

It’s obvious that this is all down to a crippling lack of both self-awareness and humility on DL’s part. His hubris is dismantling our club.

 

[Chris Flynn]

Now the season has finished, if we don’t hear anything in the next few days, would it be safe to assume that Ange is the likely incumbent?

To be honest, with Levy in charge the only thing that is safe to assume is nothing should be assumed. The lads all over the shop

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I think this all boils down to having to fill two positions that have to work hand in hand together at the same time. They have to have the same vision for the club, be available, and be able to satisfy the majority of fans who want the right name. Managers will want to know who the DOF will be and the DOFs will want a say in who the manager will be. Levy had made plenty of mistakes in recent history and let's face it, there isn't much optimism of him getting the next appointments right, but we need to get away from it being as simple just go out and offer whoever, whatever they want.

does the manager and the sporting director have to be in line exactly? I would say that as long as you have a professional approach and are able to discuss where you are going then having a level of disagreement is helpful -

Surely in simple terms the manager picks the side works on the training field lets the SD know we need x y and z which with the current squad is easy to outline - then the SD comes back with a list of players who might be attainable - sure you might want to look at ages and leadership when it comes to those players but do they really need to be in line with each other

 

[Chris Flynn]

Please allow me to unbaffle you

Joe Lewis doesn't give a flying fingerbang about the football club other than what the ROI is.

It does make you wonder about people like Lewis, hes in his 80's, has billions and with the best will in the world has maybe 20 years tops of life left. Why would you be after more and more? But hey, thats one of many reasons why I wont be a billionair, that and not having sociopathy

 

[spursfan77]

I just want to get this right. There’s one thread on here with moaning that we won’t have any money to buy players without European football and another moaning that we wouldn’t pay up to €20 million for a manager from the Dutch league who hasn’t worked outside that country?

Personally I can see why there’s some reticence to spend that on Slot given the situation and the fact that other managers are possibly more attainable. Sometimes it’s best to stand back and look at the situation as a whole. Especially with the season now coming to an end across Europe and managers and their agents now being ready to discuss things fully. It feels like ages because of the time we sacked Conte and all the noise about different managers from the papers (but only once from a person who counted - Slot) but really we’ve plenty of time to sort the manager. I still think the Nagelsmann door is firmly open and him and Enrique have been the candidates from the start alongside Slot.

 

[Chris Flynn]

A few bad seasons with mid-table finishes and no European football could put a serious dent in valuations investors would place on the club.

Interestingly we are fast reaching the point where out interest as fans aligns with Joe Lewis interests as an investor. I am certain Levy is feeling the pressure now and knows what's at stake.....he's built a lot of goodwill with investors over the years but another bad management appointment and Uncle Joe will start to take more notice.

I'm pretty sure to investors we are now a property portfolio with a football team that plays in one of the assets to be honest

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

but do they really need to be in line with each other

Yes

 

[mil1lion]

I can fully understand why Spurs might not want to push for Slot IF it were going to cost a shed load of money. I’m not sure how many on here truly believed he would be a 100% success. Yes, I know no one is that but if it’s seen as a bit of a creative appointment then it might have been risky. Make no mistake Maureen and Conte were not cheap.

Thing is if he's our top choice then we need to be fully in. It's crazy to have a 1st choice with the caveat of "unless he costs too much". He's either top choice or not, if he's top choice then you go and spend the money to get him. It's the same issue with signings though.

 

[nickspurs]

Possibly get negged to within an inch of my life here and probably indulging in a massive dose of confirmation bias but, for me, JN is our guy and has been top/joint top since pretty much day 1. I know our management have shown their apparent incompetence on more than one occasion but not to be actively going after him would be up there with anything they have or haven't done during their tenure. Perhaps there's something I've missed and I'm sure i will be soon corrected but my reasoning is as follows:

He has the profile we should be and we seem to be looking for.
Levy is a fan and wanted him before his stint at Bayern.
He's turned down Chelsea and has commented on that.
We vehemently denied being in contact (methinks too heavyhandedly).
He's made no comment on the link with us.
We don't really seem to be actively pursuing anyone else, even though we've been without a manager for 2 months now even though it has probably cost us Europe in what could be HK"s last season.

Now I'm going to try and square the above circle as it just doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Bayern retain his registration.
They've been a bit of a shitshow internally for the past few years too.
Due to this, they removed one of the (potentially) top German managers in the world, while a point off the head of the table (with game in hand iirc), while deep in the CL (and unbeaten in that competition) and while still being in the German Cup.
This internal unease has further being proven by their removal of OK and HS from their jobs in the aftermath of winning the league. Two of their many legends.
They paid a lot of money to get him out of his previous contract and have put him on gardening leave to try and recoup some of their outlay so perhaps we're waiting for them to blink first. Perhaps the rumoured clause for reduced compensation was only active in the last few years of his contract and they retain a +1 option. Maybe that's why we were so vehement about having no interest.
For me, AS ticked all the boxes too but a little less proven in a lesser league yet we didn't really seem to put our best foot forward there. We flirted. The optics of giving chase were there, but we seem to not to have tested the depth of feyenoords resolve to keep their man.
The whole DOF thing feeds into this flight of fancy too. Maybe we haven't appointed anyone yet because our choice could be considered to be a "Nagelsmann choice" and would keep Bayern on their toes about potentially recouping some of their outlay.
Unsure whether Bayern winning the title and potentially resolving some of their internal issues has put a spanner in the works or has helped our cause but hopefully, with this being the end of the season, we'll be put out of our misery soon.

I know the above is a very positive spin. Littered with ifs/buts/maybes and gives our board an awful lot of perhaps undue credit but it's helping me sleep at night.

I’m here too.

I immediately thought the denial might have been to not fall foul of JN’s contact situation with Bayern.

Helps me sleep better at night too. We’ll see.

 

[jebratt]

Nagelsmann definitely ticks all if not most of the boxes so we can only hope that Levy and the board don’t try to outhink themselves and actually hire the obvious candidate…