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jbstarr14

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Nobody in that meeting done the calculation of increase in profits, tv appearances, fan increase, merchandise sales and sponsorships in relation to teams who win things :LOL: Incredible really.
They genuinely don’t seem to understand that the ‘product’ (to use appropriately cynical terminology) is what happens during those 90 minutes on the pitch - not the stadium, not the merchandise, not the beer or the food, not even the ‘fan experience’. That’s all just window dressing at best. At worst it’s abject vanity.

As you rightly say, it’s incredible.
 

muel

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Here goes.

I think given the PR of the club right now externally. The ‘working progress’ (to try and put it optimistically) of the internal structure, the fact most of that structure is new and above all else the broken culture.

The path forward might have to start with a step back. I’m coming to the realisation that we aren’t simply an attacking coach away from solving our problems. It would be a plaster. We need more than anything to regroup, heal, get back to our core values and start again. That takes time and patience.

That’s one of the key reasons that I think what we need more than anything is someone that is proper Spurs. Someone to oversee a transformation. Giving the other areas of the club the time and space to establish themselves. Whilst also refining and revolutionising the core of our squad for life after Kane and Son (as depressingly sobering as that may be).

I know I’ve banged this drum before (to wide disagreement 😂) but I think Mason is the man to deliver those things we need. We don’t know yet if he could be the next Pep, but I think we know enough to say he wouldn’t embarrass himself or us.
they say football goes in 3 year cycles. Perhaps we need to focus this cycle on establishing a strong foundation

I don’t fucking know. All I do know is the chasing the dragon approach of the last 3 years has been the most miserable of my entire Spurs supporting life. A dose of mediocrity and green shoots could be the bitter medicine that we need and we could find our love for the club and football again.
 

Now it's Spursonal

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Here goes.

I think given the PR of the club right now externally. The ‘working progress’ (to try and put it optimistically) of the internal structure, the fact most of that structure is new and above all else the broken culture.

The path forward might have to start with a step back. I’m coming to the realisation that we aren’t simply an attacking coach away from solving our problems. It would be a plaster. We need more than anything to regroup, heal, get back to our core values and start again. That takes time and patience.

That’s one of the key reasons that I think what we need more than anything is someone that is proper Spurs. Someone to oversee a transformation. Giving the other areas of the club the time and space to establish themselves. Whilst also refining and revolutionising the core of our squad for life after Kane and Son (as depressingly sobering as that may be).

I know I’ve banged this drum before (to wide disagreement 😂) but I think Mason is the man to deliver those things we need. We don’t know yet if he could be the next Pep, but I think we know enough to say he wouldn’t embarrass himself or us.
they say football goes in 3 year cycles. Perhaps we need to focus this cycle on establishing a strong foundation

I don’t fucking know. All I do know is the chasing the dragon approach of the last 3 years has been the most miserable of my entire Spurs supporting life. A dose of mediocrity and green shoots could be the bitter medicine that we need and we could find our love for the club and football again.
Appointing Mason could honestly relegate us mate.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Did she sign that one

“Donna M

Donna Marie Cullen”

too?
Tbh I don’t mind sharing it, I e-mailed the whole board a while back after the disaster of summer of 2021’s managerial search about them losing touch with the clubs DNA and roots and style of play. I care deeply about this club and invest a huge amount of my time and energy supporting them home & away.

They’re humans with inboxes, cynics will say they won’t listen or care but I got a response so they do receive and read the e-mails if nothing else.

[email protected], just look the board members up on the main site.

and the response was:

“Thanks for your email. We have noted the sentiment and also the amazing support we have from fans such as yourself. Lets hope we go into the break with a great performance today, all the best D”

Donna-Maria Cullen
Executive Director

And I checked and her numbers were included so that could well be legit even thought it doesn’t tell us anything we don’t already know.

But my point is you can sit back and let things happen or you can speak up and like with a lot of things if enough voices are saying the same things then sometimes change can happen.

Slot would’ve been perfect so at least they’re along the right lines with who they’re targeting but just a shame the whole approach generally isn’t very clinical and is ending up messy and drawn out again.
 
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thebenjamin

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I’m sat here, seething and in my pants. Couched in darkness, my features illuminated only by rays of Dharmesh Sheth. The curtains are still open and I’m on my third scotch. Waiting, for a fucking explanation.

Gazza's on his way with some fishing rods and a maccy Ds
 

ShayLaB

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At this point I am not sure I would not rather have Rogers.
- knows the league
- successfully managed clubs at least the size of Spurs
- can play reasonable football

He may not be many first choices but if you are looking for someone who won't be out of their depth, would probably want to be here and, won't be heading off to Madrid if the opportunity arose, I am not sure who would be better.

I doubt the fanbase would be thrilled, mind, but a solid sensible choice would be a change.
 

Scot-Spur

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At this point I am not sure I would not rather have Rogers.
- knows the league
- successfully managed clubs at least the size of Spurs
- can play reasonable football

He may not be many first choices but if you are looking for someone who won't be out of their depth, would probably want to be here and, won't be heading off to Madrid if the opportunity arose, I am not sure who would be better.

I doubt the fanbase would be thrilled, mind, but a solid sensible choice would be a change.
My issue is it should never get to the point where we have to settle for Rodgers or the like.
 

jbstarr14

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No way is this worse than 2021

firstly there are more manager options now.

secondly season has not even ended so we have more time.
The Transfer window opens in 20 days, and the season starts in 79 - and we have neither a DOF nor manager.

We do however have a team/squad desperately in need of a significant overhaul.

Respectfully, I’d suggest that time is exactly what we don’t have.
 

Metalhead

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My issue is it should never get to the point where we have to settle for Rodgers or the like.
People have already settled for Mason and he's got way less experience! Not that I'd be bowled over with Brendan TBF.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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At this point I am not sure I would not rather have Rogers.
- knows the league
- successfully managed clubs at least the size of Spurs
- can play reasonable football

He may not be many first choices but if you are looking for someone who won't be out of their depth, would probably want to be here and, won't be heading off to Madrid if the opportunity arose, I am not sure who would be better.

I doubt the fanbase would be thrilled, mind, but a solid sensible choice would be a change.

Rodgers is only slightly better than Potter - and they would both be terrible picks for Spurs.

If we hire Rodgers we are in big trouble because it means that Levy has not decided what direction to take the team. Rodgers is not going to get more from the current players, and he is not the manager you want for a re-build.

He screams "Status Quo" where status quo is actually falling further behind the league leaders.
 

barry

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Here goes.

I think given the PR of the club right now externally. The ‘working progress’ (to try and put it optimistically) of the internal structure, the fact most of that structure is new and above all else the broken culture.

The path forward might have to start with a step back. I’m coming to the realisation that we aren’t simply an attacking coach away from solving our problems. It would be a plaster. We need more than anything to regroup, heal, get back to our core values and start again. That takes time and patience.

That’s one of the key reasons that I think what we need more than anything is someone that is proper Spurs. Someone to oversee a transformation. Giving the other areas of the club the time and space to establish themselves. Whilst also refining and revolutionising the core of our squad for life after Kane and Son (as depressingly sobering as that may be).

I know I’ve banged this drum before (to wide disagreement 😂) but I think Mason is the man to deliver those things we need. We don’t know yet if he could be the next Pep, but I think we know enough to say he wouldn’t embarrass himself or us.
they say football goes in 3 year cycles. Perhaps we need to focus this cycle on establishing a strong foundation

I don’t fucking know. All I do know is the chasing the dragon approach of the last 3 years has been the most miserable of my entire Spurs supporting life. A dose of mediocrity and green shoots could be the bitter medicine that we need and we could find our love for the club and football again.
Read the room Ryan
 

journeyman

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I always had respect for Levy’s business acumen. And I could understand why he made decisions like the hiring of Jose or Conte, or letting Poch go. Tough calls, but defensible.

I am at a loss as to how he’s let us become such a laughing stock of late. Even if we lay the hiring of Nuno and the appointment of Stellini at Paratici’s door… keeping Paratici on, releasing videos featuring him even, when he was obviously disgraced and on the road to a huge ban, it was just so lacking in foresight. And I swore he wouldn’t allow a vacuum to open up again in 2023 the way he had in 2021, that he’d be all over it this time, especially when it was obvious for an age Conte was on the brink. It’s unfathomable. Even sending agents off to negotiate with Feyenoord, or being shocked when they look for £15m… why are you shocked? Is this not obvious? Are you incapable of gripping the situation yourself, and in a way that is conscious of the huge public relations angle in terms of how this plays out? The sense of drift is utterly dispiriting. The players must feel it, just as the fans do. And it must be making us a very unattractive proposition for anyone thinking of joining us.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Rodgers is only slightly better than Potter - and they would both be terrible picks for Spurs.

If we hire Rodgers we are in big trouble because it means that Levy has not decided what direction to take the team. Rodgers is not going to get more from the current players, and he is not the manager you want for a re-build.

He screams "Status Quo" where status quo is actually falling further behind the league leaders.
Tbh I’m not sure I buy all of that.

Rodgers is by no means my first choice BUT if we couldn’t get and/or the following Managers didn’t want to move, then Rodgers ticks the PL experience box, his teams play good to watch football generally and he’s over performed for 2 seasons everywhere he’s been before then it fizzling out.

If we can’t for whatever reason get any of : JN, Poch, De Zerbi, Slot, Ange.P, Kompany, then Rodgers comes under that next bracket of Managers and if we got him and he convinced Maddison and Barnes for example and we signed a GK and CB, we could start to look half decent.

As I said, Rodgers by no means my first choice but the stick he gets on here making out he’s useless imo is ridiculous, he’s a very very good football manager and has proved that everywhere he’s been for the most part.
 

Dillspur

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Tbh I’m not sure I buy all of that.

Rodgers is by no means my first choice BUT if we couldn’t get and/or the following Managers didn’t want to move, then Rodgers ticks the PL experience box, his teams play good to watch football generally and he’s over performed for 2 seasons everywhere he’s been before then it fizzling out.

If we can’t for whatever reason get any of : JN, Poch, De Zerbi, Slot, Ange.P, Kompany, then Rodgers comes under that next bracket of Managers and if we got him and he convinced Maddison and Barnes for example and we signed a GK and CB, we could start to look half decent.

As I said, Rodgers by no means my first choice but the stick he gets on here making out he’s useless imo is ridiculous, he’s a very very good football manager and has proved that everywhere he’s been for the most part.

he's a good manager. I just detest him.
 

Hotspur33

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At this point I am not sure I would not rather have Rogers.
- knows the league
- successfully managed clubs at least the size of Spurs
- can play reasonable football

He may not be many first choices but if you are looking for someone who won't be out of their depth, would probably want to be here and, won't be heading off to Madrid if the opportunity arose, I am not sure who would be better.

I doubt the fanbase would be thrilled, mind, but a solid sensible choice would be a change.
I actually agree. I really don’t fancy any of the remaining candidates.
Rodger’s as a placeholder would be fine.
 

chas vs dave

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Tbh I’m not sure I buy all of that.

Rodgers is by no means my first choice BUT if we couldn’t get and/or the following Managers didn’t want to move, then Rodgers ticks the PL experience box, his teams play good to watch football generally and he’s over performed for 2 seasons everywhere he’s been before then it fizzling out.

If we can’t for whatever reason get any of : JN, Poch, De Zerbi, Slot, Ange.P, Kompany, then Rodgers comes under that next bracket of Managers and if we got him and he convinced Maddison and Barnes for example and we signed a GK and CB, we could start to look half decent.

As I said, Rodgers by no means my first choice but the stick he gets on here making out he’s useless imo is ridiculous, he’s a very very good football manager and has proved that everywhere he’s been for the most part.
Please tell me we aren't at the point where people are rationalising spurs employing a character from sharks tale...
 

muel

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Here goes.

I think given the PR of the club right now externally. The ‘working progress’ (to try and put it optimistically) of the internal structure, the fact most of that structure is new and above all else the broken culture.

The path forward might have to start with a step back. I’m coming to the realisation that we aren’t simply an attacking coach away from solving our problems. It would be a plaster. We need more than anything to regroup, heal, get back to our core values and start again. That takes time and patience.

That’s one of the key reasons that I think what we need more than anything is someone that is proper Spurs. Someone to oversee a transformation. Giving the other areas of the club the time and space to establish themselves. Whilst also refining and revolutionising the core of our squad for life after Kane and Son (as depressingly sobering as that may be).

I know I’ve banged this drum before (to wide disagreement 😂) but I think Mason is the man to deliver those things we need. We don’t know yet if he could be the next Pep, but I think we know enough to say he wouldn’t embarrass himself or us.
they say football goes in 3 year cycles. Perhaps we need to focus this cycle on establishing a strong foundation

I don’t fucking know. All I do know is the chasing the dragon approach of the last 3 years has been the most miserable of my entire Spurs supporting life. A dose of mediocrity and green shoots could be the bitter medicine that we need and we could find our love for the club and football again.

keep it coming you cowards 😂

optimistic nihilism is the way forward
 
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