Next Manager Watch

[Ghost Hardware]

So the progress goes - he has admirers, he's on the list - been that way for years. Wanted him before he went to Bayern, we know this

24th March:

Tottenham Hotspur want talks with Julian Nagelsmann

The Tottenham Hotspur hierarchy would like to speak to Julian Nagelsmann about becoming their head coach next season.The 35-year-old was sacked by Bayern Munich

www.thetimes.co.uk

"The Tottenham Hotspur hierarchy would like to speak to Julian Nagelsmann about becoming their head coach next seasonand has been placed among Tottenham’s candidates to succeed Antonio Conte" "Tottenham were first interested in appointing Nagelsmann as Pochettino’s successor in November 2019"

Want to contact him, have wanted him for years

27 March:

Daniel Levy ramps up Tottenham manager search with Julian Nagelsmann his No 1 choice

Tottenham chairman facing critical spell with Harry Kane's future unresolved and a season ticket hike considered

www.telegraph.co.uk

"Daniel Levy ramps up Tottenham manager search with Julian Nagelsmann his No 1 choice"

24th April:

Nagelsmann has key transfer demand to consider taking Spurs job

Cristian Stellini has been dismissed from his role as acting head coach as Spurs continue their search for a permanent boss

www.independent.co.uk

"Julian Nagelsmann would want a summer move and a decisive say in transfer dealings if he is to consider moving to Tottenham Hotspur."
"The long-time chairman will make a strong attempt to persuade the German. "

Levy wants him, he wants a say in transfer dealings

26th April:

Julian Nagelsmann: Was der Ex-Bayern-Trainer für den Tottenham-Job fordert

Klare Forderungen! Was Julian Nagelsmann von den Tottenham-Bossen erwartet.

www.bild.de

"BILD knows: Nagelsmann is very keen to take over the Spurs for the new season. Nagelsmann is now concentrating on this option. He would be interested in the task. If Tottenham meets Nagelsmann's demands, the German coach could work on the island in the coming season "

Nagelsmann is keen, demands such as having a say in transfers, DoF he agress with

27th April:

Spurs job has plenty of upside, Ralf Rangnick tells Julian Nagelsmann

Julian Nagelsmann has been advised that there is a big upside to taking charge of Tottenham Hotspur by Ralf Rangnick, who has acted as his mentor.Tottenham have

www.thetimes.co.uk

"Tottenham have listed Nagelsmann as one of their favoured managerial options, and made contact with him before he pulled out of the running to become the Chelsea manager. Other options include Kompany, Slot, Mason"

Julian Nagelsmann urged to take Spurs manager’s job by Ralf Rangnick

Julian Nagelsmann has been urged to accept the Tottenham manager’s job by Ralf Rangnick, who worked with him at RB Leipzig

www.theguardian.com

Rangnick being a wingman and bigging up the Spurs job, lots of potential, they've worked together before and I assume get on with each other. Club contacted him

Julian Nagelsmann on four-man Tottenham shortlist – but wage demands a huge obstacle

Exclusive: German is high on wanted list but there is a limit to what Spurs will pay to compensate for his Bayern deal

www.telegraph.co.uk

"Exclusive: German is high on wanted list but there is a limit to what Spurs will pay to compensate for his Bayern deal "

Club want him, might not want to pay what Bayern want to get him though

2nd May:

Julian Nagelsmann to Tottenham latest as Daniel Levy handed problem

Tottenham news: Julian Nagelsmann is the latest manager linked with a potential switch to Spurs following the club's decision to dismiss Antonio Conte from his role

www.football.london

Nagelsmann has previously gone on record to speak of his admiration of Spurs in the past. "[I've followed Tottenham closely] since Pochettino was there," he said during his RB Leipzig days. "He's a really good manager, his team was great to watch."

Nagelsmann talks up the club and the job

5th May:


"Tottenham/Levy pushing more and more! Further talks took place in the last days. #COYS are a serious option for him. His opinion: Big club! Big potential! But he wants to know exactly: How much power does he get in transfers? And it’s still unclear who will be the new managing director of football after Paratici. "

Levy wants him, but he wants a say in transfers, DoF lined up

6th May:

Tottenham face hefty compensation bill to appoint Julian Nagelsmann

German is Daniel Levy's main target but Spurs might have to pay Bayern Munich more than £10 million

www.telegraph.co.uk

"German is Daniel Levy's main target but Spurs might have to pay Bayern Munich more than £10 million "



"Julian Nagelsmann remains top of Tottenham list as new coach. He isn’t prepared to advance to the crucial stages of the negotiations until he knows who's going to be the Director of Football"

Club might have to pay for him and he wants to agree on the DoF before joining

Now after all that:
12th May:



"Spurs do not intent to meet with Julian Nagelsmann and he is not currently a contender for the manager’s job "
"Julian Nagelsmann is not being considered as a candidate for the vacant head coach post and the club insist they have not met with him and do not intend to."

Now local reporters have been briefed that the club haven't contacted him and in fact don't want him

So let me get this straight:
* The club are admirers of him and have been for years.
* He is on the list
* He is at the top of the list
* The club have contacted him
* He would be interested in the job

After all that, one of the best young managers in world football with a football philosophy that'd suit the club down to the ground and you don't consider him, haven't met and don't want him in the first place?

The requirements to get him, which have stayed consistent from all sides every single time they've been mentioned from fairly reliable sources are:
* He has to have a say in transfers
* He wants to know the DoF and I assume think he can work with them
* Have to pay Bayern a decent wedge - £10m+

Which aspects do you think have been failed here - money (buying out contract), giving up power (letting him have a say in transfers) or competence (no DoF after not having any contingency plan for Paratici)?

Joke of a club, upper management are incompetent

*Also instead of dealing with this with grace this response makes the club look incredibly petty and unprofessional, you've made the club look even more of a joke and showed potential managers you're not a good place to work at because of it. Well done

Exceptional work sir, well done. Essentially neatly outlines the entire farce and clearly highlights the current news as essentially a big fat lie. Which we all know is the case.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

We have a great chairman. We just need a manager on the same page. Like Poch was .... until he turned the page.

I swear Donna has more BOT accounts than Putin at this point.

 

[GioW]

A positive I'm taking (I know) is that there's still some really exciting managers out there.

And just as importantly, some really likeable characters.

 

[Nebby]

Not sure I agree with that. We are a massive club and definitely one of the top ones in the country and also Europe. Always have been.

What we are not able to compete with are state funded clubs and not should we be trying to. This is the mistake we’ve made recently. We need to go back to what was working which is what I think the club are trying to do.

How are we a massive club? We haven’t won a title since the sixties, and nothing in Europe since the mid 80s. Granted we’ve got PL money, but so what? We are not the big time for somebody like JN.

 

[Goobers]

Mason In! It’s destiny. The stars are aligning.

I just have a gut feeling about him. I can’t explain it. Had the same feeling with Poch

To Dare Is To Do!

I have to say I can't disagree with you given the latest news.

 

[Aleks]

at least the new zelda just released today

 

[max cady]

So it appears we won’t get JN and that’s it. But honestly what did JN offer that made us think he was going to be the messiah. Honestly what exactly did the dude win. He did well at Hoffiehiem but won nothing, He did well at a Leipzig but again won nothing and again at Bayern where you and I would do well. He has good pedigree at getting clubs to perform but is he better or worse than Conte, Jose, Rodgers or anyone else mentioned.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Earlier today i emailed the ST Renewals team asking if we will know who the manager is before 1st June.

Their reply:

“Unfortunately we aren't able to confirm this, if you wish to renew by 1 June then this is up to you.”

The club couldnt give a rats arse

That response sums our club up

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

is he better or worse than Conte, Jose, Rodgers or anyone else mentioned.

Yes

 

[Ghost Hardware]

A very high level creative midfielder will become a crucial signing if we’re going with Slot to make up for his issues breaking down a low block.
Also will probably need to sign a LB and RB to play in his system.

Makes for a very expensive window considering how crucial a new GK signing and new CB signing are already.

Agree re the creative midfielder. Will need to be a good one. If anything we may even need two. No chance we bring in new LB/RB tho. We will just have to hope Slot can work on the defensive side of their game.

Thing is, I don’t even much like 3 at the back in general, I usually prefer a 4231 or 433 but Nagelsmann’s version of a back 3 is extremely attacking and attractive whilst also suiting our current squad.

 

[yiddopaul]

Some of you guys need to accept that we’re not a big club. You could describe us a “top six” side, but if so we would be number six on the list (probably number seven). Why would a so called “top manager” like JN consider us anything but a step down? That’s not a sensible career move on his part.

Gotta say I disagree with that. We are a big club. Not up there with the RM's, United's of this world, but we are a big club. That we constantly get told we're the biggest underachievers in football suggests that we are. By definition, to underachieve you must first be a big club. A small club doesn't underachieve with winning titles etc. Pundits bang on about how big Newcastle are... when did they last win anything if it's determined by trophies? Now if you're a millennial and you think football only began in the PL era then I can understand why you might think that.

 

[neilp]

Earlier today i emailed the ST Renewals team asking if we will know who the manager is before 1st June.

Their reply:

“Unfortunately we aren't able to confirm this, if you wish to renew by 1 June then this is up to you.”

The club couldnt give a rats arse

Yes if the season ticket renewal team can’t answer a simple question about when the new manager will be appointed, the whole clubs going to ruin.

 

[Tucker]

So Prof responded to a few posts on COYS with a few different snippets. I thought it would be easier to do screenshots than copy and paste.

 

[Teegart]

Not getting Nagelsmann hasn’t annoyed me like I thought it would, as I really do think Slot, Ange, De Zerbi and to a point Amorim would be exactly what we need for the long term.

Instead of annoyance, I’m now just extremely worried the club makes a hole of it again. I would be seriously disappointed and fuming if we end up with Rodgers, Glasner or we end up going with Mason full time. I suppose looking at it, Nagelsmann was my safety net.

 

[delawarespur]

Like @yankspurs said, they should’ve just said nothing. At least that way after we get the new guy, then there would’ve been more time to come up with something better. Or even if it ended up like Chelsea, where Nagelsmann/his team obviously leaked the info he wasn’t interested, we’d know he rejected us, rather than us coming up with an obviously BS leak where it’s obvious in about 2 seconds that he rejected us. Clearly he rejected us, and we tried to beat him to the punch by putting stuff out. Just a PR mess. Anyway, while it’s incredibly annoying/frustrating, I guess a silver lining is we know beforehand Levy wasn’t prepared to meet Julian’s demands, rather than a year into his reign when Levy starts backtracking on promises and tension builds. Still, he should be doing everything to get him in. Needs to be out of this club yesterday.

Anyway, the more I think about it, I’d probably be most happy with Amorim out of the rest of the candidates. I’ve taken the time to really look into his and other candidates’ styles and how they have grown, and I strongly refute the idea that he’s just a young Conte or his style is just like Conte but with players that are more aesthetically pleasing. His defensive set up is definitely more aggressive than Conte’s. They do press in unison and with aggression, just not a constant high press like some others like Slot. Will play youth. And as much as this shouldn’t really matter, with Levy in charge I’m not expecting huge squad turnover, and his style is clearly the best fit for our current personnel. I’d trust any of the candidates to adapt to our squad a little, but imagine we have 5 natural wingbacks in the squad next season with a manager who can’t utilize them to the best of their ability. I don’t want that. Wouldn’t have that issue with Amorim (or Mason/Alonso), and I think the possession structure is more developed than Alonso/Mason, naturally due to experience. I’ve seen a ton of lethal counters with Amorim, and I’ve seen his teams break down the opposition with 60%+ possession. I understand he is the most pragmatic of the mentioned candidates in that his priority isn’t to dominate the ball, but this means he’s adaptable in game and has plans to beat all types of teams and won’t panic if his team cedes possession. The team’s natural instincts won’t be to sit deep without the ball. As I said there’s a pressing plan with aggression and intelligence. Has a bit of automation about him in his build up like Conte, but I see a lot more variety in terms of chance creation and the second phase to get the ball to the final third.

I can understand the reservations. It won’t be super intense all the time, nor will it be a style that sees us constantly dominate the ball. But he’s young and vibrant, he’s someone who will build a project, adaptable in his system with ways to beat all kinds of opponents, will use youth and use the academy, will have us organized yet aggressive without the ball, whose style fits really well with our current personnel, and who has won major titles, specifically ending Sporting’s 20 year league title drought. Can obviously see positives with other candidates, and I am happy we seem to be consistent in the profile of manager we’re targeting. Just my preference. What we should be doing is getting a DOF first and Levy getting the fuck out of the way and letting the DOF decide. Sadly, that’s not gonna happen in a million years.

 

[PlayerX]

 

[Stoof]

I don’t feel much outrage. Obviously we’re going to spin it. Obviously no doubt he will too, whilst he collects his Munich wage still.

Every slight (perceived?) negativity is blown so far out of proportion at the moment.

I was quite enjoying Spurs again tbh.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Well, last time around I did my conkers on Ten Hag, if we'd have got him i'd have won enough to pay for some holidays.


This time it's Slot. So................That's fucked that then

 

[TennesseeYid]

Ah yes, time to change my Vote again.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Nagelsmann was sacked when Bayern were in second place trailing Dortmund by one point. They are now top by one point over Dortmund. That's not dropping off a cliff. They lost to Man City in the CL, probably against the team who are going to win it.
The main reason citied for Naglesmann's departure was believed to be player unrest and he had lost the dressing room.
I think there is more to his departure which we haven't heard about yet. We will see where he ends up as a barometer of his current standing.

Tuchel has lost as many games in 6 weeks as Naglesmann had lost all season. Including away to Mainz and home to Freiberg.

Bayern leaked the "unrest" to give them cover, as it isn't normal to sack your manager in Spring when you're still on for the treble.

De Ligt has debunked it.

“No (I didn’t see it coming), I was surprised. We are second in the league, in the quarter-finals of the German cup and in the quarter-finals of the Champion League. There’s still everything to play for,”

“The people in charge decide who the coach is, but it was a difficult decision to swallow. But I also think that Tuchel is a coach who can help us well,”

Naturally, there was speculation that there had been a great deal of unrest in the dressing room between Nagelsmann and some of the players, but De Ligt said that was just a load of nonsense that lacked any sort of substance. Also, much like a handful of other players in Bayern’s squad, De Ligt has been in touch with Nagelsmann since his sacking.

- “Ah, the German media; that says enough. I had a good relationship with the coach and his staff, so it was difficult. I’ve been in touch with him, sent him a message, thanking him for everything he taught me. He really wanted me at the club and has been important to me. Also thanks to him, I have taken important steps in my development in recent months,” he explained.