Jose Mourinho

[yido_number1]

I don’t disagree, Levy caused the problem but Poch had to be sacrificed to try and fix it. Still annoyed that the best manager in my lifetime was left in a shit sandwich mostly out of his control.

Levy better back Mourinho properly or its going to turn toxic.

This is exactly how I feel. If we don't back Mourinho what is the point anymore.

 

[yido_number1]

Part of the issue (imo) was that Poch clearly stated on multiple occasions that he didn't want squad depth - only first team improvements. You can't always realistically get them, and it was depth that arguably caused issues (competition for places is important for motivation), so I'm confused by the idea that the "no spending" is absolutely unrelated to all the stuff Poch was saying at that exact point in time. I'm pretty sure ITK said he didn't want players at the time, too.

Squad depth comes from signing players that better the first team. You then make the old regulars the back up and you improve. You don't improve by signing Stambouli and N'Koudou.

 

[sausage]

Squad depth comes from signing players that better the first team. You then make the old regulars the back up and you improve. You don't improve by signing Stambouli and N'Koudou.

You improve by buying the likes of Maddison or Tielemens, not turning your nose up at them though.

 

[Finchyid]

I'm pretty sure ITK said he didn't want players at the time, too.

Poch said it in the press too.

 

[dontcallme]

You improve by buying the likes of Maddison or Tielemens, not turning your nose up at them though.

Exactly. We don't know the full details but it does appear that Poch was turning down players that could have improved us. So the last 3 seasons the purchases were poor or non-existent.

Add that to our younger players showing little sign of improvement or development and we had a problem.

 

[yido_number1]

You improve by buying the likes of Maddison or Tielemens, not turning your nose up at them though.

We had Eriksen and Alli in that position. We signed Ndombele instead of Tielemans who I think has a higher ceiling. At the time they wouldn't have improved us greatly.

 

[sausage]

We had Eriksen and Alli in that position. We signed Ndombele instead of Tielemans who I think has a higher ceiling. At the time they wouldn't have improved us greatly.

This was during the 2 windows we didn't sign anyone. If you're saying we did the right thing, it's a bit paradoxical.

 

[spursfan77]

There is fuck all point bringing a manager of Mourinho's standing to the football club and then not offering him some backing in the areas with the most glaringly obvious holes.

Again, it's fucking laughable.

Does Mourinho himself need the hassle if levy doesn’t back him?

He’s got all the money he could need and all the success he’s had, why would he not walk? He could just say the conditions weren’t as promised and he couldn’t work at the club any longer.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Does Mourinho himself need the hassle if levy doesn’t back him?

He’s got all the money he could need and all the success he’s had, why would he not walk? He could just say the conditions weren’t as promised and he couldn’t work at the club any longer.

He'll get his dosh, he'll take pleasure of the highest order turning Tottenham Hotspur Football Club into a trophy/title winning team ... He is in a no lose situation.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Does Mourinho himself need the hassle if levy doesn’t back him?

He’s got all the money he could need and all the success he’s had, why would he not walk? He could just say the conditions weren’t as promised and he couldn’t work at the club any longer.

Levy has backed himself into a bit of a corner now.
With Poch at the helm, he had a manager of promise, but without a track record of success. Poch typically didn’t rock the boat transfer wise, and allowed the staleness of the squad to happen. Any failure could equally be attributed to lack of investment, but also to Poch not having the ability to take us to the next level. Equally, Poch never really made demands, often just taking Levy’s transfer failings quietly in his stride.
However, now with Mourinho in charge, we have manager who is a proven winner, shown to have taken teams onto the next level time and again. So, if/when Levy doesn’t deliver on the transfer front, you know Mourinho will be making it quite clear what he’s asked for and whether it’s not been delivered, placing then onus very firmly at Levy’s door. We’re seeing this already, as Mourinho openly states his transfer requirements to the press. It’s a very clear and confident, “if you want success, back me and I’ll deliver.”, so if they don’t, he’s warned them. Levy must have know this, so you can only assume he’s appointed Mourinho with intention of backing him.

 

[spursfan77]

Levy has backed himself into a bit of a corner now.
With Poch at the helm, he had a manager of promise, but without a track record of success. Poch typically didn’t rock the boat transfer wise, and allowed the staleness of the squad to happen. Any failure could equally be attributed to lack of investment, but also to Poch not having the ability to take us to the next level. Equally, Poch never really made demands, often just taking Levy’s transfer failings quietly in his stride.
However, now with Mourinho in charge, we have manager who is a proven winner, shown to have taken teams onto the next level time and again. So, if/when Levy doesn’t deliver on the transfer front, you know Mourinho will be making it quite clear what he’s asked for and whether it’s not been delivered, placing then onus very firmly at Levy’s door. We’re seeing this already, as Mourinho openly states his transfer requirements to the press. It’s a very clear and confident, “if you want success, back me and I’ll deliver.”, so if they don’t, he’s warned them. Levy must have know this, so you can only assume he’s appointed Mourinho with intention of backing him.

That’s what I initially thought and maybe he will in the summer, after all he backed Poch last summer.

I said earlier in the week that I expect our search for a striker to go to deadline day and I think it will as more options could arrive later in the window. But if levy doesn’t deliver, after Mourinho explicitly saying he wants a striker, it will 100% turn sour for levy, the club and us. Mourinho will see himself as being in the same position as he was with Woodward at Man U and shit will hit the fan.

Would I be surprised if we are appointing another manager in the summer if Mourinho isn’t backed? No I wouldn’t.

 

[Johnny J]

If Levy isn't prepared to back Mourinho then he would have been better off with a cheaper young up and coming coach.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

You may be right, but I think Mourinho has been so vocal about getting a forward, the club can’t fail to provide him one. I don’t think he’ll be rolling out the Poch “I’m happy with what I have” line.
He’ll be quite clear, he can’t deliver with one hand tied behind his back. The clubs we aspire to challenge back their managers. If we don’t back ours, we are not truly trying to compete.

 

[dontcallme]

You may be right, but I think Mourinho has been so vocal about getting a forward, the club can’t fail to provide him one. I don’t think he’ll be rolling out the Poch “I’m happy with what I have” line.
He’ll be quite clear, he can’t deliver with one hand tied behind his back. The clubs we aspire to challenge back their managers. If we don’t back ours, we are not truly trying to compete.

He has also acknowledged that it is not always possible to get the player you want and it is not simply about backing.

 

[Cavehillspur]

If Levy isn't prepared to back Mourinho then he would have been better off with a cheaper young up and coming coach.

Yeah i mean if he isn't prepared to back the manager what actually is the point of it all. Time will tell but Jose wont hang about if he isn't backed, hopefully he will be between now and the summer.

 

[Finchyid]

Poch said it in the press too.

@[email protected] how can u disagree, poch said in the press he was happy with squad...thats fact

 

[dontcallme]

@[email protected] how can u disagree, poch said in the press he was happy with squad...thats fact

He disagrees with every post saying anything other than Levy doesn't spend money. If I was a mod I'd ban him. He doesn't post, just goes round disagreeing with 100s of posts.

A quick look shows he has 340 posts and has given 560 Disagree ratings.

 

[RichieS]

Players I think we know Pochettino wanted compared to those he got in their place.

Schneiderlin Stambouli
Musacchio Fazio
Wanyama Wanyama
Janssen Janssen
Mané Sissoko
Pereira Aurier
Foyth Foyth
de Jong No-one
Ndombele Ndombele (a season later)
Barkley Lo Celso? (a season later)

Not backed?

 

[[email protected]]

@[email protected] how can u disagree, poch said in the press he was happy with squad...thats fact

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If he was so happy with the squad Finch then why did Poch speak so definitively about the need for a "painful rebuild"?

 

[Finchyid]

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If he was so happy with the squad Finch then why did Poch speak so definitively about the need for a "painful rebuild"?

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