Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[jurgen11]

Half a dozen pages banging on about a player who disrespected 60k + paying supporters who is the laziest tosser we have ever signed

 

[longtimespur]

I’ve been supporting Spurs since 1981. So in the 20 years up to 2001 we won 7 trophies (including Charity Shield)

How standards have fallen that 1 trophy in the subsequent 20 years is seen as the ‘most successful period ‘ in our modern history.

I started going to the Lane back in the mid 50s and saw us win trophies all through my days of going to matches.
Can't say I would go to games nowadays. Too expensive and too far to travel for an OAP like myself.
Shame as I miss the atmosphere from when I did go. IN the 50's we clapped the team when they played well but it was very silent when we were crap. Nothing like todays crowds!
How things changed with TV etc, broadcasting live on the radio was the only chance to keep up unless you went teletext etc.
Sorry I got caught up with the discussion.

I'm pleased we have Ange as manager and hope the crowd get behind him and give him time.

 

[allatsea]

I started going to the Lane back in the mid 50s and saw us win trophies all through my days of going to matches.
Can't say I would go to games nowadays. Too expensive and too far to travel for an OAP like myself.
Shame as I miss the atmosphere from when I did go. IN the 50's we clapped the team when they played well but it was very silent when we were crap. Nothing like todays crowds!
How things changed with TV etc, broadcasting live on the radio was the only chance to keep up unless you went teletext etc.
Sorry I got caught up with the discussion.

I'm pleased we have Ange as manager and hope the crowd get behind him and give him time.

I started going in the Double season and agree with all you have said. Unfortunately modern day Spurs fans are not very good at giving Managers or players time. In fairness that applies to almost every club. Very sad.

 

[arnoldlayne]

Sorry, can't read that site, it's literally impossible (utterly bizarre ). I thought Kennedy was one of the guys who was meant to be coming?

Try using "Reader View" - it removes almost everything except the text itself

 

[The Lilywhites]

I started going in the Double season and agree with all you have said. Unfortunately modern day Spurs fans are not very good at giving Managers or players time. In fairness that applies to almost every club. Very sad.

my era to was an incredible team on rubbish pitches.

 

[Misfit]

I'd be fine being the English equivalent of Sevilla if sportswashing takes us back to the top 4 stagnation of the early-00s to early-10s. I just want to see the club - every little bit of it - striving until veins are popping on foreheads to win something, even if it isn't as super awesome amazeballs as the league or CL.

I just don't think that's been the case for a while now. Give the manager, whoever they are, the best possible chance to succeed or fail on their own merits. It might even lead to managers not having to be changed so GD regularly. It's not being entitled or demanding to expect that.

 

[Johno1470]

Having watched The Extra Inch’s analysis and research into Ange’s style of play, I’ve come away from it a little less hopeful.

We already know that he tends to set his teams up in a 4-3-3, with a single pivot and two #8’s further forward in midfield. Out of possession, this tends to drop to a 4-4-2 with the two front men leading the press. At Celtic, he had pacey front men that were able and willing to put in some serious pressing at a high pace. I am concerned that this approach won’t suit our forwards, particularly Kane and Son to a degree. I can’t see Kane pressing at every chance he gets to put pressure on the oppositions defence. I’ll be intrigued to see how Ange adapts the style to suit Kane because intensive high pressing was a huge aspect of the style at Celtic.

Additionally, the analysis picked up that if there’s a lack of effort in the press, opposition teams that play with a two man pivot or even a single highly adept deep laying midfielder, tends to easily beat the press and move up the pitch quickly. Whilst we have committed so many attacking players, therefore leaving us exposed at the back.

A fair few journos and podcasters have predicted that we will perform like Leeds did when they first went up, scoring plenty whilst conceding lots too.

For his system to work, we will need eager players and I’m looking forward to see in the coming weeks if we back him with players that are suited to his style. I’m looking forward to the pre season friendlies to begin to see what his plans are for the squad and how this looks on the pitch.

 

[Roberts84]

Having watched The Extra Inch’s analysis and research into Ange’s style of play, I’ve come away from it a little less hopeful.

We already know that he tends to set his teams up in a 4-3-3, with a single pivot and two #8’s further forward in midfield. Out of possession, this tends to drop to a 4-4-2 with the two front men leading the press. At Celtic, he had pacey front men that were able and willing to put in some serious pressing at a high pace. I am concerned that this approach won’t suit our forwards, particularly Kane and Son to a degree. I can’t see Kane pressing at every chance he gets to put pressure on the oppositions defence. I’ll be intrigued to see how Ange adapts the style to suit Kane because intensive high pressing was a huge aspect of the style at Celtic.

Additionally, the analysis picked up that if there’s a lack of effort in the press, opposition teams that play with a two man pivot or even a single highly adept deep laying midfielder, tends to easily beat the press and move up the pitch quickly. Whilst we have committed so many attacking players, therefore leaving us exposed at the back.

A fair few journos and podcasters have predicted that we will perform like Leeds did when they first went up, scoring plenty whilst conceding lots too.

For his system to work, we will need eager players and I’m looking forward to see in the coming weeks if we back him with players that are suited to his style. I’m looking forward to the pre season friendlies to begin to see what his plans are for the squad and how this looks on the pitch.

They also said Dele will flourish under Conte and is the perfect midfielder for him and they thought N’Dombele will be the best midfielder.

 

[mil1lion]

I'll be happy if Ange has us playing like Leeds because we have superior attacking players. Just sort the keeper and a partner for Romero and we shouldn't concede so many either.

 

[Johno1470]

They also said Dele will flourish under Conte and is perfect midfielder for him and they thought N’Dombele will be the best midfielder.

Both players have/had the potential and opportunities to flourish. They didn’t have the desire to do so.

 

[Roberts84]

Both players have/had the potential and opportunities to flourish. They didn’t have the desire to do so.

The point is, it’s just their opinion and they are no more of an expert than anyone on here.

 

[Johno1470]

The point is, it’s just their opinion and they are no more of an expert than anyone on here.

Well, not exactly true. Nathan whose career is in football analytics and whether you agree or disagree with their views, I would consider his analytical breakdown of a football managers style in higher regard than someone who has maybe never watched any of Ange’s teams.

If you watch his video, they’ve broken down multiple clips from different games both in Celtic and during his time at Japan, highlighting a pattern in formation as well as strengths and possible weaknesses that could be exploited by other PL teams.

 

[KingNick]

Well, not exactly true. Nathan whose career is in football analytics and whether you agree or disagree with their views, I would consider his analytical breakdown of a football managers style in higher regard than someone who has maybe never watched any of Ange’s teams.

If you watch his video, they’ve broken down multiple clips from different games both in Celtic and during his time at Japan, highlighting a pattern in formation as well as strengths and possible weaknesses that could be exploited by other PL teams.

Is it his career? Who does he work for? A lot of people making out they are professional analysts on social media these days when in reality they are enthusiastic amateurs trying to make money out of YouTube.

 

[Trix]

Having watched The Extra Inch’s analysis and research into Ange’s style of play, I’ve come away from it a little less hopeful.

We already know that he tends to set his teams up in a 4-3-3, with a single pivot and two #8’s further forward in midfield. Out of possession, this tends to drop to a 4-4-2 with the two front men leading the press. At Celtic, he had pacey front men that were able and willing to put in some serious pressing at a high pace. I am concerned that this approach won’t suit our forwards, particularly Kane and Son to a degree. I can’t see Kane pressing at every chance he gets to put pressure on the oppositions defence. I’ll be intrigued to see how Ange adapts the style to suit Kane because intensive high pressing was a huge aspect of the style at Celtic.

Additionally, the analysis picked up that if there’s a lack of effort in the press, opposition teams that play with a two man pivot or even a single highly adept deep laying midfielder, tends to easily beat the press and move up the pitch quickly. Whilst we have committed so many attacking players, therefore leaving us exposed at the back.

A fair few journos and podcasters have predicted that we will perform like Leeds did when they first went up, scoring plenty whilst conceding lots too.

For his system to work, we will need eager players and I’m looking forward to see in the coming weeks if we back him with players that are suited to his style. I’m looking forward to the pre season friendlies to begin to see what his plans are for the squad and how this looks on the pitch.

From what I've heard today we won't be setting up 4-3-3, not initially at least, as Ange doesn't think our squad is built for it.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Shame as I miss the atmosphere from when I did go. IN the 50's we clapped the team when they played well but it was very silent when we were crap. Nothing like todays crowds.

In 60s we slow handclapped.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

In 60s we slow handclapped.

And 70’s

 

[Gilzeanking]

Having watched The Extra Inch’s analysis and research into Ange’s style of play, I’ve come away from it a little less hopeful.

We already know that he tends to set his teams up in a 4-3-3, with a single pivot and two #8’s further forward in midfield. Out of possession, this tends to drop to a 4-4-2 with the two front men leading the press. At Celtic, he had pacey front men that were able and willing to put in some serious pressing at a high pace. I am concerned that this approach won’t suit our forwards, particularly Kane and Son to a degree. I can’t see Kane pressing at every chance he gets to put pressure on the oppositions defence. I’ll be intrigued to see how Ange adapts the style to suit Kane because intensive high pressing was a huge aspect of the style at Celtic.

Been wondering this. Be intersting to see if Ange can square the circle on this issue.

 

[rossdapep]

Well, not exactly true. Nathan whose career is in football analytics and whether you agree or disagree with their views, I would consider his analytical breakdown of a football managers style in higher regard than someone who has maybe never watched any of Ange’s teams.

If you watch his video, they’ve broken down multiple clips from different games both in Celtic and during his time at Japan, highlighting a pattern in formation as well as strengths and possible weaknesses that could be exploited by other PL teams.

Unless he has experience working in a club or coaching then I would not regard his opinion higher than anyone on here.

That may sound snobbish but I had always felt i knew what i was talking about in football until i started working at a small Portuguese club and had my eyes opened.

These YT analysts have ZERO idea what is going on in a coaches planning.

Ange may have adjusted his method to suit Scottish football and will change it slightly with our squad.

 

[bigfrooj]

Well, not exactly true. Nathan whose career is in football analytics and whether you agree or disagree with their views, I would consider his analytical breakdown of a football managers style in higher regard than someone who has maybe never watched any of Ange’s teams.

If you watch his video, they’ve broken down multiple clips from different games both in Celtic and during his time at Japan, highlighting a pattern in formation as well as strengths and possible weaknesses that could be exploited by other PL teams.

‘Football analytics“ you lost me there. I’m happy to leave that to those brought up on Football Manager and the footie gamblers. A very small part of what makes up relevant football knowledge. It’s what you see, what you feel, and what inspires passion that are important in football.

 

[Johno1470]

‘Football analytics“ you lost me there. I’m happy to leave that to those brought up on Football Manager and the footie gamblers. A very small part of what makes up relevant football knowledge. It’s what you see, what you feel, and what inspires passion that are important in football.

Look at the size of football clubs backroom staff or have a look at their job advertisements. They are all recruiting heavily into data and match analysts.

The difference between staying in a league, competing for trophies or just playing catch up with improved standards could just be that extra work behind the scenes and analysis of footage.