Is this the beginning of the End, of our beautiful game...?

[tRiKS]

I disagree. If I want to see beautiful football, I'll watch Barca play Sevilla. I don't watch Bolton v Wigan to see high quality football. I watch it in expectation of a huge belly laugh as Titus Bramble demonstrates once again why he's a truly unique footballer. If the "global audience" was really exposed to the fulll dross of the EPL, they'd soon realize the Simpsons are far more entertaining....

Meanwhile, I see even intelligent managers like Steve Coppell are coming out with complete Orwellian doublethink:

"The Premier League has no obligation now to nurture young talent or play English players. They have a mandate to go out and make money. Look at the FA Youth Cup at the moment - there is a domination of foreign players at the big clubs. We are no longer the English league.
"We have destroyed competition in this country for many years but as the manager of Reading I am proud and delighted to be a part of it, even though it is not an even competition. It has become a huge corporation that takes its lead from making money. There is no responsibility for the English game but it is not greed, it's business. And a successful business always tries to grow and acquire more."

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2254817,00.html

Greed 7 Integrity 0
[played in NYC]

Mate why would i want to get drawn on what's a better game out of barca v sevilla or Bolton v wigan? Easy to chose when you have a choice but that doesn't nessesarily say that the poorer choice couldn't and wouldn't stand up as a spectical on it's own. Seems you're focusing exclusivley on the technical ability of the players on show rather than the whole fans experience of seeing a competitive PL game. That is underestimating the fans outside the UK. ..and the teams in the PL too. I watched BIG match revisited on thursday.. 83 i think Man utd v ipswich.. a much worse game and generally lower technical standard that any wigan game i've seen.

I also happen to think the occasion, surroundings and full stadiums for teams like the two you've mentioned would likely motivate a better standard of football.

Overall, all the way down the league there are less cloggers and more footballers and that upward trend will contiune becasue it's the only way to win/sustain/survive

Steve coppell is entitled to his doubletalk. I care more about spurs than the national team and if overseas players in the youth team is what it take to make Spurs better than so be it. International football to me is secondary... i'm pretty sure thats the choice most spurs fans would make too.

I'm sure it is greed 7 integrity 0... but when i see Spurs destroy Ar5ena1 with such swagger i believe Football is still in a comfortable lead over greed. ... greed 7 football 212

 

[Stoof]

probably been asked allready,

but what happens when man utd get drawn against derby in hong kong, sunderland were effectivly safe after 38 games, but after the "extra" game they end up going down?

Well that's exactly it. It adds an extra dimension.

In no way should this extra game influence a domestic league outcome - make it a pansy trophy in July or something.

 

[SpurSince57]

I see Gold is all for it. I wonder how he'd feel if Birmingham got relegated because of that extra game.

SAF:

"What disappoints me is that (United chief executive) David Gill phoned me and said 'keep this quiet, we are going to discuss it' and then it's all over the papers," Ferguson said.

"They can't keep their mouths shut down there. I think if they are going to do these things they should have been enquiring and having a discussion with managers and players before they come out with all this stuff and make an issue of it.

"This should be discussed internally by clubs before they come to this position we are in today," he added.

"Until I see and speak to David Gill and see more about it I have really have nothing to say."

Just get Scudamore and the other arseholes out now. They couldn't run a brothel on a battle-cruiser.

 

[Blotto]

I agree that the PL brand is huge in around the world, but only for some teams--sure Lokomotiv London, Scum, Manusa, Liverpool would all sell out in the States; whoever plays those teams would do probably do well two. But that is a total of 8 out of 20 benefiting, with only 4 getting significant returns from merch etc.; perhaps Spurs or Newcastle could do well, but there is no way Derby or Reading or Wigan or Pompey could make it worth the trip unless they played one of the so-called "big 4"--barely anyone knows who Derby is, let alone their history so its not like they are going to be packing it in Soldier's Field in Chicago to see one of the fabled sides of yesteryear. If you were Sunderland and in the relegation battle, desperate for three points, and you have to play Manusa three times with one of those overseas would you be happy? I'd be fucking livid. Make a large sum of money but then be relegated and lose a shit load?--what a deal...
There are so many reasons why this is a bad idea...

 

[PeterboroughYids]

Our beautiful game died when sky first took over the prem

it died when the prem was formed. that was the first step by the fa to turn this league into a greedy business with no thought of the fans... germany have it spot on

 

[yanno]

Just get Scudamore and the other arseholes out now. They couldn't run a brothel on a battle-cruiser.

No, but I'm sure David "Hardcore Housewives" Gold could... :wink:

I'm still surprized that Steve Coppell turned out to be such a whore. When one of the more intelligent managers can say, "it is not greed, it's business", you know it's truly messed up...

 

[fieryjack]

What about those who can't afford it?! Fuck them eh? That seems to be the attitude of those running football today.

True fans continue to be priced out and people like you lap it up. You can't wait to change your money and jet off to watch Spurs on the other side of the world. You make me fucking sick. People like you are very much responsible for the state of modern football.

You`re just a fucking old communist. If you can`t afford it why should anybody else?
Been supporting, going, not just supporting, for exactly 40 years. Had a season ticket for 25 of those. What makes you a better/truer supporter than me?
Football is better these days than it was. Better stadiums, and on the whole safer than it used to be, all due to more investment. When people invest in things they generally expect a return. Which means that everybody except probably Steve Gibson or Abramovich expects a profit
Football doesn`t belong to you, who cares whether you think its a good idea or not. I actually don`t think it`s a good idea but it will probably happen anyway. I didn`t think all seater stadiums were a good idea nobody listened to me. Thats the way life is, if it makes money for the premier league and clubs they will do it anyway whatever you or i think.
You`ve got to calm down a bit. The world wont stop if your team play a game somewhere else.

 

[worcestersauce]

A league is every team playing each other the same amount of times home and away leading to a valid conclusion at the end, it's a good formula introduced over 120 years ago and like all the best ideas it still works. Anything else is not a true league so perhaps if UEFA were to refuse to recognise the Premier league as a genuine league the winners wouldn't qualify for the Champions league this might bring them to their senses.

 

[tRiKS]

it died when the prem was formed. that was the first step by the fa to turn this league into a greedy business with no thought of the fans... germany have it spot on

how have they? our team and players are so much better. Football... and i'm talking about the technical act of playing the game... in the PL and the CL is LUSH... i funnin love it. And funnin love it more and more every year.

I think some people should go form an anti-premier league league or adopt a non-league team to prove they really are sick of corporate domination of our sport... because at the moment there seems to be alot very hypocritical and lazy activists.

 

[deathtoarsenal]

Would they fill a ground with 60k twice in one weekend when there is only that weekend to chose to watch a football match? A resounding YES. No problem..

i think they'd be touts selling tickets for £££'s even outside a Cardiff v westham fixture.

So now you're looking at it from a business perspective and whether it would be a success. Who gives a flying fuck!? Why do we need to sell our league around the world?! It was built by fans who followed their local team with the little money they had and now its success is being taken advantage of by despicable ****s with nothing but $ signs in their eyes.

You actually seem excited about the prospect of touts selling tickets for this farcical event across the world. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[tRiKS]

A league is every team playing each other the same amount of times home and away leading to a valid conclusion at the end, it's a good formula introduced over 120 years ago and like all the best ideas it still works. Anything else is not a true league so perhaps if UEFA were to refuse to recognise the Premier league as a genuine league the winners wouldn't qualify for the Champions league this might bring them to their senses.

That not the definition of a league at all. Some leagues are like that but thats not what a league is

Scotland, UEFA cup groups, WC groups etc are all leagues who have a different formular. Then look at the fucked up 6 nations... now that really does seem a league dependant on a fixtures lottery.

Sorry to be correct

 

[Stoof]

That not the definition of a league at all. Some leagues are like that but thats not what a league is

Scotland, UEFA cup groups, WC groups etc are all leagues who have a different formular. Then look at the fucked up 6 nations... now that really does seem a league dependant on a fixtures lottery.

Sorry to be correct

Do you know what each of the domestic leagues have in common?

Funnily enough playing the all of the domestic league games in that domestic league's COUNTRY. :-|

What is there apart from that? You've dodged 6 of my posts, does that mean you can't respond to that?

 

[tRiKS]

So now you're looking at it from a business perspective and whether it would be a success. Who gives a flying fuck!? Why do we need to sell our league around the world?! It was built by fans who followed their local team with the little money they had and now its success is being taken advantage of by despicable ****s with nothing but $ signs in their eyes.

You actually seem excited about the prospect of touts selling tickets for this farcical event across the world. What the fuck is wrong with you?

No i'm not. i wrote the £ sing and mentioned touts to highlight demand of tiects to see the games.

We don't need to sell it. I think it would be a wrothwhile thing to let other fans see it.

The money made on the gates and TV should be used to subsidise the UK fans tickets and some should filer to grass routes etc... i don't think that would happen but now you know what the "fuck is up with me" and my opinions on the business side of things and further accusations that i promote the money making side of things can be avoided. I sincerely hope even the people I've debated with today on the subject will back up the fact i've stated many times the positives i see in this idea are not about money.

off shopping.

 

[worcestersauce]

That not the definition of a league at all. Some leagues are like that but thats not what a league is

Scotland, UEFA cup groups, WC groups etc are all leagues who have a different formular. Then look at the fucked up 6 nations... now that really does seem a league dependant on a fixtures lottery.

Sorry to be correct

In Scotland they don't play an odd number of games they play same amount home and away. WC there is no home and away.
6 Nations isn't a true league even though it's reversed the next year and it's not really serious is it.

Uafa cup groups is shit only done for money reasons so it makes my point.

 

[tRiKS]

Do you know what each of the domestic leagues have in common?

Funnily enough playing the all of the domestic league games in that domestic league's COUNTRY. :-|

What is there apart from that? You've dodged 6 of my posts, does that mean you can't respond to that?

i have not. but hold that thought i'm off shopping and will duely reply. in the meantime check your facts on the 6 post dodging thing in prep for my return.

 

[Stoof]

Hyperbole on my behalf. I have posted 6 (now 7 times) in this thread. And have asked similar questions. All the way through - making that particular statement: a domestic league plays it's games in it's own country.

 

[tRiKS]

Hyperbole on my behalf. I have posted 6 (now 7 times) in this thread. And have asked similar questions. All the way through - making that particular statement: a domestic league plays it's games in it's own country.

Oh right. no i've not avoided that question becasue it's a true fact isn't it?!... all domestic leagues are played in the countries that league is associated to (avoiding of course mischeivous references to Cardiff and Gretna) I'm not sure how saying that is going to dissuade me from my view that taking a single game overseas has some positives. It would be a change... but that change (as long as the fixtures were picked my way) wouldn't compromise the validity of the competition and end result of the league standings. Instead It would give a once a season opportunity to bods in major cities outside the UK to experience Pl football and specifically to give fans of teams the opportunity to show thier passion. In the same wonderful way I do. you do. he does. they do. WE DO!!

COYS!!!!

 

[Stoof]

Why should we have to adapt and move our league to them?

You want to watch English football live? COME TO ENGLAND.

Jesus Christ - it's not a domestic league if it's played around the World.

It's a farce. And quite frankly and again with the greatest respect sir, you're a loon.

 

[DogsOfWar]

I certainly don't think that the standard Premiership season should be played anywhere but at the grounds of those involved but if the league want to expand then why not have a rugby league style play-off at the end of the season.

The top eight clubs play quarter-finals, semi-finals and a Grand Slam style final abroad with the top side playing eighth, second seventh etc, with the highest bidder getting either the final or the whole lot.

We get a proper season and the choice of travelling to a foreign tournament and the rest of the world get to see our best clubs in a 'meaningful' competition.

 

[SpurSince57]

Well, the Japs appear to have knocked it on the head.

Tokyo has been touted as a possible city to host a Premier League match but the JFA's vice-president, Junji Ogura, was quick to play down the possibility of staging fixtures in Japan.

"It sounds problematic," Ogura said. "We are, in principle, opposed to having [Premier League] games in Japan as we have to protect our league and clubs. In Japan, we don't allow anyone to play a match that involves only foreign clubs and no Japanese clubs."

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2254817,00.html

Come on, FIFA, pull the plug.