is it time to go 4-4-2?

[Mr Pink]

If you're serious then you need a good hard radishing

'step aside Butch'

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

We lost about 10 games in a row when we last tried this (in the spring).

Going a man short in midfield is just like pulling down your own pants and begging to be fucked up the arse.

We need Ade to give us a centre forward to link all our attacking play together. Ade will suddenly make Dempsey and Siggy look good again too.

 

[Pete Spur]

We're in a difficult situation but at the end of the day for me anyway football is a team game. We need to play whatever system best benefits the team. Defoe scores goals but offers very little in the way of team play or possesion football. Dempsey has alot of goals in him Ade too and Bale if played in the right system and for me 442 isn't the answer. None of the top teams play 442 and that speaks volumes to me. We've developed beyond catering to selfish players like Defoe. Players like Defoe are Uefa cup level and we're aspiring to be a CL team.

 

[Blake Griffin]

We're in a difficult situation but at the end of the day for me anyway football is a team game. We need to play whatever system best benefits the team. Defoe scores goals but offers very little in the way of team play or possesion football. Dempsey has alot of goals in him Ade too and Bale if played in the right system and for me 442 isn't the answer. None of the top teams play 442 and that speaks volumes to me. We've developed beyond catering to selfish players like Defoe. Players like Defoe are Uefa cup level and we're aspiring to be a CL team.

what would you describe utd's system as?

as for the last part, fact is defoe is in the team and will be in the team for the forseeable so you either play a passenger like sig or demps or you play ade with him.

 

[Pete Spur]

what would you describe utd's system as?

as for the last part, fact is defoe is in the team and will be in the team for the forseeable so you either play a passenger like sig or demps or you play ade with him.

It isn't a 442 more 433/451

We're in somewhat of a transitional season, but I think Dempsey and Ade would offer more than Defoe and Ade but regardless we need to play Ade especially against quality opposition were we'll struggle for possesion

 

[Pete Spur]

As far as Dempsey and Sig struggling to influence games for me the problem is link up play with the striker as there is none with Defoe or very little. You give Defoe the ball and most of the time you're not going to get it back. Dempsey and Sig thrive on linking up with the striker.

AVB seems kinda shell shocked from his time with the chavs and the influence fan favourites and player power had in getting him the boot. Or it looks that way to me from his handling of the GK situation and now the striker situation as we have clearly better players on the bench but he's reluctant to make a change until a clear majority think it's warranted.

 

[mrlilywhite]

except we went in at half time drawing 2-2 using 442 and came out in the 2nd half with a 433 and lost 5-2. you make a lot of good points but all of them are based around ade playing as the lone striker, which he's not and i don't see that changing anytime soon.

Very true that we came out for the second half in a 4-3-3 though the potential effect that it could of had was nullified by two situations; First one being that Arsenal were already in the ascendancy and had the psychological upper hand and also both Modric and Parker were on yellow cards and even Sandro Was booked midway through the second half, That meant that our challenge in midfield was pretty much Non-committal, As it turned out Parker went later on trying to stem the flow so to speak. The 4-4-2 had already done the damage and could of been avoided had Harry thought a bit harder, Another story though that has already been covered, Funny thing though, Is that game could well and truly have been the game that lost him his job, Ironic how the 4-4-2 could be seen as the formation that ultimately cost Harry!? I know one thing for sure, It didn't do him any favours.

 

[Blackcanary]

As far as Dempsey and Sig struggling to influence games for me the problem is link up play with the striker as there is none with Defoe or very little. You give Defoe the ball and most of the time you're not going to get it back. Dempsey and Sig thrive on linking up with the striker.

AVB seems kinda shell shocked from his time with the chavs and the influence fan favourites and player power had in getting him the boot. Or it looks that way to me from his handling of the GK situation and now the striker situation as we have clearly better players on the bench but he's reluctant to make a change until a clear majority think it's warranted.

I disagree with this bit: Yes, on form Ade is a superior player but at the moment he's not. You can't drop an in-form striker like Defoe for Ade until Ade is sharp enough to lead the line by himself. That would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[double0]

No 442 is out dated we need to move on...having watched the Chelsea and how easy i felt it was for them to dominate our midfield we definately need a play maker yes a Modric type player that will enable us to be playing a fast paced passing game....I would normally sprout the name Huddlestone but having seen Dembele come into the team quickly settle and put Huddlestone's best displays to far back memory has made me rethink .

Oscar's how old 19-20 what a player....I'm starting to doubt if Carroll will make it.

 

[Pete Spur]

I disagree with this bit: Yes, on form Ade is a superior player but at the moment he's not. You can't drop an in-form striker like Defoe for Ade until Ade is sharp enough to lead the line by himself. That would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Ade is not going to get match fit or sharp with cameos off the bench and I don't think Defoe offers enough to warrant changing our whole system

 

[Brosama]

I don't see it as the way forward, but with our current squad, yes.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

what would you describe utd's system as?

as for the last part, fact is defoe is in the team and will be in the team for the forseeable so you either play a passenger like sig or demps or you play ade with him.

Sig and Dempsey are only passengers because there isn't a centre forward to play off.

Even vdV struggled at #10 when he had to play with Defoe, rather than a #9.

Defoe averages about 10 passes a game, compared to Ade's 50+. Most of those will be to an on rushing #10. Defoe's shoot from anywhere approach completely nullfies the second striker/ACM.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Sig and Dempsey are only passengers because there isn't a centre forward to play off.

Even vdV struggled at #10 when he had to play with Defoe, rather than a #9.

Defoe averages about 10 passes a game, compared to Ade's 50+. Most of those will be to an on rushing #10. Defoe's shoot from anywhere approach completely nullfies the second striker/ACM.

yes but defoe is in the team, he is playing, avb likes him, my suggestion is with this in mind. there's no point posting your little formations with defoe out of it.

 

[TheGreenLily]

No, it is time to stop pandering to players who are not hacking it, making to many mistakes, but being picked constantly simply because of a lack of suitable replacement.

What we need are players that actually have a brain and who can concentrate for 90 mins without making stupid stupid mistakes.

So many players need a serious kick up the arse, it is a joke.

 

[tototoner]

Playing 442 means you get over run in midfield

That coupled with the fact that nearly very team domestic and international plays 451 ( or variants of it ) means its a No from me Dermot and I'm out

 

[Blake Griffin]

Playing 442 means you get over run in midfield

That coupled with the fact that nearly very team domestic and international plays 451 ( or variants of it ) means its a No from me Dermot and I'm out

you don't think we're being overrun already with sig/demps as the extra midfielder? they're getting lost in games and are offering very little. it's case of sig/demps vs ade ... i know which i'd prefer.

 

[Pete Spur]

you don't think we're being overrun already with sig/demps as the extra midfielder? they're getting lost in games and are offering very little. it's case of sig/demps vs ade ... i know which i'd prefer.

That's one way of looking at it. But that would mean changing our whole system to accomadate one player in particular who offers very little in the way of team play. Ade for Defoe would mean we keep the current system AVB wants to implement to the benefit of the team not just Defoe.

 

[Blake Griffin]

That's one way of looking at it. But that would mean changing our whole system to accomadate one player in particular who offers very little in the way of team play. Ade for Defoe would mean we keep the current system AVB wants to implement to the benefit of the team not just Defoe.

you seem to be ignoring that defoe is playing though, he is first choice. there are many variables in the team but defoe is not one of them right now so you find a solution with him in mind. so it is a case of sig/demps or ade and for me the latter won't be a passenger, he'll get the best out of the rest of the team and he'll even get the best out of defoe.

 

[tototoner]

you don't think we're being overrun already with sig/demps as the extra midfielder? they're getting lost in games and are offering very little. it's case of sig/demps vs ade ... i know which i'd prefer.

I would prefer Adebayor to Defoe, better player at connecting midfield and attack

 

[RichieS]

except we went in at half time drawing 2-2 using 442 and came out in the 2nd half with a 433 and lost 5-2. you make a lot of good points but all of them are based around ade playing as the lone striker, which he's not and i don't see that changing anytime soon.

Perhaps a bad example as even at 2-0 up we were getting battered. They had so much momentum that we would've lost whatever we did. The way to not lose that game would've been to recognise that we were lucky to be 2-0 up and bring on Sandro for Saha as soon as we scored the penalty.