How long are you willing to give a manager before declaring they were the wrong choice

[Yiddo100]

15 or so minutes, should know by then.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

I think the best any coach could do with our current squad is 5 or 6.

Add 3 high quality starting XI players, GK, CB, and AM and I’d expect some sort of challenge for 4th.

If the football is more attacking, the coach can carry on forever as above.

The key point being this is the height of the Boards ambition

Assume by 5 or 6, you mean't tier not position....

 

[TEESSIDE1]

This is very tough to answer as the results could be poor with signs of light at the end of the tunnel whereas we could have appointed an absolute melon eg Nuno and poor results for 10 games could see us miles off where we want to be.

 

[mpickard2087]

Starting point for me is what they're trying to do on the pitch.

I was vehemently opposed to both Jose and Conte. I dislike their idea of football, and whatever results or league positions there was never a day where, if I was in charge, I wouldn't have sacked them immediately and got someone else in. It will apply also this time around, if we get someone who espouses neanderthal primitive pragmatic passive football then I'll never want them in, at any point. Win lose or draw, top or bottom of the league. If we win say, 2-0, and it's been 90 mins of football I fundamentally dislike, find boring, find nothing to appreciate quality wise, and am frankly totally opposed to then the result becomes almost irrelevant for me personally, it's just 90 or so minutes I've wasted.

I want someone in who is in tune with modern football. I want possession and a team that enjoys having the ball. I want us to play high up the pitch. I want pressing, if not a constant furious high press, at least an intense counter press in those immediate seconds after the ball is lost (something we're absolutely crap at). I want positional play football embraced, mixing structure with fluidity. To do this we need for starters a player in every strata more comfortable with the ball at his feet - A goalkeeper (this really is crucial), a centre back, a deep midfielder, an advanced midfielder, and an attacker. Get the ball down, and play it.

Put these building blocks in place, a manager and some players who see and try to play the game in my perceived right away, and I'll be happy to give them breathing space. Will always critique the individual matches, but overall I'm happy to give the manager a couple of seasons to start building, hopefully overcome the bumps in the road, teething problems, and inconsistencies, and then really start firing and consistent quality performances (which should lead to good outcomes).

But I'll admit, it's got to be a vision I agree with. Otherwise you're never taking me along for the ride.

 

[ultimateloner]

These are the criterions I would use, failing any of them would be make me question the appointment and therefore sack:

1) First 5 games all the key players (Kane/Son/PEH/Romero/Dier) playing at the same level as they did previously; so if Son's not been scoring under the last manager, then it's ok if he continues to play badly in the first 5 games for the new manager. If Kane's been scoring and suddenly stops or plays badly first 5 games then it's a sack.

Reason is key players tend to be more consistent than the other squad members and if they are playing worse then something has gone wrong. Or maybe the new guy is just plain unlucky then too bad.

2) First 10 games we are not getting worst results compared to the prior season.

When conditions 1 and 2 are met then it suggests the new guy isn't completely out of his depth.

3) After 1/2 season we are in top 8; if we are not, then European football is at risk, and we would be looking at our worst finish for some time. This criterion changes when Kane goes.

4) Kane and Son have less than 20 goals between them by 1/2 season. IF this happens then our best players aren't firing and it suggests the manager isn't playing to their strength.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I see us as a Top 10 team now and will be for the foreseeable future under ENIC, so as long as the football is enjoyable and we are battling it out with Villa, Brighton for 7th then the manager will have done ok.

Anything else is a bonus.

 

[Dave1882]

I said Nuno was wrong from the moment he was announced. After 3 games people told me I was wrong…Slot is underwhelming to me, given chavs are getting Poch. But i think it’s gonna take a season at least to get us in any kind of form again, no matter who we appoint

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

By the way this thread is going, we'll have sacked the new manager before we've employed him.

 

[Dr Know]

I really can't pick an answer as it's not as simple as that. Any manager needs backing, support and a clear directives. We blame Levy a lot ( I know I certainly do) but is he just an overzealous fan? Levy really needs to step aside because the failings of some of our managers has been directly down to him IMO.

To try to answer the question: I would be happy with attacking football and a team that plays as a team. The only time I want to see another player pointing is if he's taking some sort of leadership and advising another player of some type of danger. If this is the case then I think a manager would need at least 2 seasons. However in this time there has to be the fight for cups, at a minimum play at least one final. The club is in a complete mess and any manager will need time to sort things out and that could happen quicker if Levy does not interfere with the football side of the business.
We desperately need a team and the last time I saw that was under Poch.

 

[journeyman]

I knew Nuno was toast, and had to be, after only 10 games so it’d be hypocritical of me to say anything longer in theory. I would stomach a full season where we finished mid-table though if a new manager was undergoing a significant rebuild and was transitioning us to a possession-based game and football the way it should be played (on the front foot).

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Saying they are the wrong choice and wanting them sacked are two different things although not by much. So to answer the question 'how long are you willing to give a manager before declaring they are the wrong choice'..................On SC? The brutally honest answer is the moment he's appointed and we have a LOT of previous

After that, the whole shebang will be down to one thing. Results. So stop telling fibs about if you see this or that and admit it.

Some people, probably far too many, will get the pocket sized pitchforks out quicker than shit sliding off a red hot shovel

 

[WaldotheCat]

Any manager needs time, and we rarely give them that, and backing, and we seem to be inconsistent with that. The classic example of giving a manager time has to be Alex Ferguson. Took him five years to win the league: there was the famous FA cup victory along the way and a second place finish, but otherwise MU finished iith, 6th. 11th before their run of dominance. Would we have kept faith with and continued backing a manager with results like that ? Probably not.

 

[Gassin's finest]

How long are you willing to give a manager before declaring they were the wrong choice​

The Welcome to Tottenham interview.

 

[wrd]

Saying they are the wrong choice and wanting them sacked are two different things although not by much. So to answer the question 'how long are you willing to give a manager before declaring they are the wrong choice'..................On SC? The brutally honest answer is the moment he's appointed and we have a LOT of previous

After that, the whole shebang will be down to one thing. Results. So stop telling fibs about if you see this or that and admit it.

Some people, probably far too many, will get the pocket sized pitchforks out quicker than shit sliding off a red hot shovel

This is exactly what I wanted us all to do By the time I finished writing the thread, the patience I thought I had, managed to lose 16 months. Now if I'm the one who knew going in that the goal was to get us to be more honest and I had my impatience slapping me in the face, I think it's a safe prediction that everyone else will need to have a honest conversation with themselves.

Of course context is important and it's good to reveal those contexts as we find out what's important to us but there's only one answer. If you have less slack for a manager who you felt was the wrong pick going in and you've seen enough to prove your initial assertion correct after 3 games then that's your answer, It's 3 games.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Anyone accepting the Spurs job atm must be the wrong choice

They’d need their heads examined

 

[cookiemonster]

23 years since that is the amount of time some of our fans are giving to levy

 

[Freddie]

If I'm being honest I'm probably the worst type of fan. If we appoint someone who I think is a terrible choice then I'm convinced from day one that their days are numbered, and subconsciously my arrogance will tell me that every defeat, every poor performance vindicates my feelings that they were the wrong guy. So how much time would I give them? A game. I wouldn't actively get on their back but after a month or so I'd start making snarky comments and subtly mocking those who wanted them in.
It's for them to then win me around through good football and showing me we're building something worth getting excited for.

I'm far more forgiving if we appoint someone who I believe has the right credentials (I'd give them at least a season, possibly more). I like half the candidates we're currently being linked with but god help you all if they don't get the gig.

 

[smallsnc]

A lot depends on what we are trying to do next season and the type of squad the manager is given. If we are going to rebuild and bring in some youth, I think you have to be more patient with the manager to give him time to implement philosophies, integrate the squad, etc. but there should be progress being made by throughout the season regardless of whether or not the results are better. 12 months to start to see the progress and 18 months for results to start improving.

If we bring in more experienced players expecting to win now (wrong decision in my opinion) then the skip the first 12 months and the manager has 6 months to be getting better results.

I hope that we are building something for the long term but we will see.

 

[Aleks]

probably when they are announced with how it's going

 

[tototoner]

The reason I disagree with this is because in recent years, it seems that the decisions the board made have been reflective of the growing frustrations of the fans and the decisions in appointments seem reflective of those frustrations, as an example; Jose was reflective of idea that we need to be winning now. So my argument is that we should probably realise that we have a bigger role to play than first thought. Given that this is something where our individual actions actually can contribute to the grander scheme of how the spurs fanbase as a whole expresses themselves and therefore are heard, then we should take the opportunity to use what's actually within our power to impact in a way that helps, not hinders the club.

Sitting here and debating how long Levy will or won't give a new manager is in comparison, a waste of our time because; first of all, only he knows and so it's conjecture and second of all, the only way we can make a difference on that front is through what I just laid out.

So I think the real question is; To what extent are each of us as individual fans willing to take responsibility in the way we impact the club or are we simply going to admit that infact, we don't want to take responsibility and we simply want to keep focusing on somebody else doing so? Are we going to keep hiding behind the idea that our contribution is pointless so that we can take the easier option of pointing fingers or are we going to instead try and contribute more effectively to the collective power we do have.

The only way we can contribute as fans to make Levy take a step back from the footballing side of the business is to hit him in the pocket but that isn't happening, or likely to happen.