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Holtby in Parkers role?

Krafty

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I'm still unconvinced by the Parker - Dembele partnership. Both lack the positional discipline, which individually isn't a problem but collectively it is contributing to our defence getting woefully exposed.

Parker gets drawn too the bar like a moth to a flame, while Moussa can be lazy getting into a covering position. It means the opposition only need one pass (sometimes just one touch forward) and they are past our midfield and running at shit scared defenders.

For some reason we are seeing Parker bomb forward a lot more than Dembele, which is extremely alarming, and we get incidents like that missed open goal last night.

Parker's passing is also poor, and worryingly he turns into trouble rather than away from it. I don't mind him doing his 360/720 spins if he spins into the wide open space of the pitch, but he is turning back on the play and into crowded areas. For example, the left back has the ball, plays into the central left area of midfield for Parker. The space is on the right, if he can lose his man the pitch is open for him to run into, make a pass, get Lennon in one-on-one with a full back, for example. Instead, Parker does his spin and goes left, crowded in by the touchline, into the waiting opposition who were closing our LB, and the mvoe either grinds to a halt because now Parker needs to worry about keeping the ball rather than passing it, or he loses possession and we are at panic stations.

Parker doesn't have the game to make the play, that's fine, so he should be sitting deep, doing simple passess, and covering our roving full backs. Instead he is bombing up the field, into areas where he isn't going to do any good.

I'd be willing to give Holtby a go in central midfield against a weak team, see how it goes, see what his range and field of passing is like.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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You can't use a sample that small to say Holtby can play in Parkers role.
It was just my personal opinion, and last nights stats backed that up.

Maybe he cant play there, but those stats dont exactly say that he cant. He certainly could do no worse than Parker
 

Spurs_Bear

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It was just my personal opinion, and last nights stats backed that up.

Maybe he cant play there, but those stats dont exactly say that he cant. He certainly could do no worse than Parker

They don't at all though. Had they both been playing CM then they would.
 

Kendall

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I thought parker played quite well. Holtby is nowhere near ready to play in such a demanding position
 

kaz Hirai

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Helped when one of them was Modric, and we had Bale and Lennon on the wings. We wont have that for the next few games.

true but modric wasn't 'Modric' then if that makes sense:) , and playing Holtby in the middle could be the making of him as it was the making of little luke
 

Spurs_Bear

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Because, in my opinion, he's been struggling to adapt, even when playing in a position that has relatively little responsibility. Let alone one of a central midfield two in the premier league.

And this ladies and gentlemen, and all the rest of you ****s, is basically it in a nutshell.
 

playboypaul

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Because, in my opinion, he's been struggling to adapt, even when playing in a position that has relatively little responsibility. Let alone one of a central midfield two in the premier league.

But AVB has been playing him out of position. How can you say he isn't ready for his natural position before you have even seen him play there for us?

Holtby himself says that his best position is DCM. We have seen him as an attacking CM. We have seen him play on the left of the attack, but not as a DCM. Why not hold judgement until you see him play there?
 

Kendall

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Because I'd rather give my opinion now. He's not ready, he cannot cope with the pace of the league yet.

A headless chicken does not make a midfielder.
 

Spurs_Bear

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But AVB has been playing him out of position. How can you say he isn't ready for his natural position before you have even seen him play there for us?

Holtby himself says that his best position is DCM. We have seen him as an attacking CM. We have seen him play on the left of the attack, but not as a DCM. Why not hold judgement until you see him play there?

DCM isn't his 'natural' position, it's the one he says he has played best in. If you had made a disappointing start to your career with a new team would you say it was because you hadn't been good enough or would you say it's because you're better in a different position? We bought Holtby off the back of him being an AM, he has never played DCM or CM in a league as fast and physical as the Premier League.

I could get my head around the 433 with him in the central position being shielded by Parker, but to replace him, no chance.
 

Spurs_Bear

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true but modric wasn't 'Modric' then if that makes sense:) , and playing Holtby in the middle could be the making of him as it was the making of little luke

Luka was more 'Modric' than Lewis is 'Holtby' though...?

Mod had had a season to get used to the league, Holtby has still only played a handful of games.
 

idontgetit

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We could do with the distribution from the back that he'd give us. I'd still say the best way is forward is the 4-3-3 as brought up in another thread. The DM is a genuine DM in a 4-3-3 and one of the other two midfielders can then dropdeeper to start the build up play. The DM only has to give the ball 10 yards after they've won it. That way we wont have to get wound up by Parker or Sandro faffing around with their heads down or spinning in circles when there's a through ball on. It simply won't be a responsibility of theirs as there will be a more competent ball player (ideally Holtby) dropping for the ball whilst the other central player (ideally Dembele) makes a run. Sandro/Holtby/Dembele or Parker/Holtby/Dembele offers a fucking solid midfield that has e v e r y t h i n g. Real bite and physicality, drive and passing
 

dontcallme

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I think Holtby could play there but don't want to see it this season alongside Dembele.

Let him settle into the pace of the Prem more before throwing him into that position.

Parker hasn't been at his best and his partnership with Dembele isn't great but it's still a good option and the best we have while Sandor is injured and Holtby is yet to prove himself.
 

WestBelfast Spurs

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think we need to go 3 across the middle and be very hard to beat for the rest of the season if it makes us narrow so be it a point at the end of the day is better that getting beat, oh and fucking pray
 

kaz Hirai

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Luka was more 'Modric' than Lewis is 'Holtby' though...?

Mod had had a season to get used to the league, Holtby has still only played a handful of games.

I think Holtby is more suitable for the physical and fast nature of the prem than modric was in his first season. If anything Holtby needs to turn down the volume a little
 

Spurs_Bear

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I think Holtby is more suitable for the physical and fast nature of the prem than modric was in his first season. If anything Holtby needs to turn down the volume a little

Yeah I totally agree, and it's why I don't think he's ready, he seems to want to get rid of the ball like it's a hot potato at the moment.
 

kaz Hirai

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by the way bear I'm actually advocating a midfield 3 also. But with Holtby replacing parker. I'm not a fan of 4-4-2, slot number 3 should go to Tom Carroll or Sigurdson. Basically someone who can pass...and isnt tom huddlestone
 
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