Spurs_Bear
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Around the same time you started believing you own hype.
Giovani joins Galatasaray
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Around the same time you started believing you own hype.
Spurs_Bear
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Pretty sure Guardado might have something to say about that. He's a proven player. And even he's still not that good.
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When did I ever say kick him out of the club? What I said was he wasn't putting forth enough effort for what you are claiming is an entire season of the 1 and 1/2 he has been here.(yes I know it is an oversimplification and there were injuries) So in the half a season or so since he started getting his shit together Harry is supposed to start him over Lennon at right winger?? NO How about at left winger over Modric or Niko? NO How about as a withdrawn striker over our leading goalscorer Defoe? NO Maybe Gio can hold up play and we can bench Crouch? NO What about playing him as a central midfielder instead of Palacios or Huddlestone?? NO
Where is this guy going to play for us? Sure I would have liked to see him on the bench and maybe getting a spot start against a cup team but that hasn't happened. So Harry does the next best thing as far as I can tell, he loans him (not sells but loans) out to a club with a former manager that Gio likes and might be able to get the best out of him so that Gio could at some point come back and play for Spurs. If we wanted rid of Gio he would be gone to some lower level Spanish club so he could be closer to home but we haven't done that so we like him enough to keep him just not enough to play him over well established and hard working players like Lennon, Modric and Defoe. Makes perfect sense to normal people.
So why is there a lot of people who are unhappy about this move?
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I'm unhappy with the Gio loan, not so much because I think he deserves the first team chance, but because I don't see why Rose has been pushed ahead of him when, on the field, which as fans is the only thing we can judge, Giovani has undoubtedly done better than Rose in his time away from the club.
Having said that, Giovani is unlikely to play regularly this season because of the plethora of talent we have up front and in both wide positions, so maybe the thinking is 'see how he does on loan and then at the world cup, if he does well he can come back and be more in our thoughts or we might receive a hefty bid for him'. He does have 3 seasons to run on his deal after all.
My feeling is that the loan is more of a development strategy than pushing him out. We have an out of form and perhaps past his prime in Robbie Keane who might well be moved on in the summer, because he's definitely not going to be happy if he's second fiddle for another 5 months, while we could probably do with getting him off the wage bill. If this is the case, and we'd be left with Crouch and (if he does well enough to get the move) Gudjohnsen as larger forwards, and Defoe as a smaller forward.
If Giovani has had a good spell in Turkey, easier said than done I assure you, and a good world cup, he'll come back full of confidence and perhaps as a realistic and genuine successor to Robbie as Defoe's competition.
This is all conjecture and I base it on nothing, I'm not even saying it's what I want to see happen, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. One thing is for sure, Giovani has 3 positions that he can realistically play in at Spurs and has 7 or 8 players in front of him, so he wants to play and go to the world cup. With the long contract he signed, next season is a new story.
Having said that, Giovani is unlikely to play regularly this season because of the plethora of talent we have up front and in both wide positions, so maybe the thinking is 'see how he does on loan and then at the world cup, if he does well he can come back and be more in our thoughts or we might receive a hefty bid for him'. He does have 3 seasons to run on his deal after all.
My feeling is that the loan is more of a development strategy than pushing him out. We have an out of form and perhaps past his prime in Robbie Keane who might well be moved on in the summer, because he's definitely not going to be happy if he's second fiddle for another 5 months, while we could probably do with getting him off the wage bill. If this is the case, and we'd be left with Crouch and (if he does well enough to get the move) Gudjohnsen as larger forwards, and Defoe as a smaller forward.
If Giovani has had a good spell in Turkey, easier said than done I assure you, and a good world cup, he'll come back full of confidence and perhaps as a realistic and genuine successor to Robbie as Defoe's competition.
This is all conjecture and I base it on nothing, I'm not even saying it's what I want to see happen, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. One thing is for sure, Giovani has 3 positions that he can realistically play in at Spurs and has 7 or 8 players in front of him, so he wants to play and go to the world cup. With the long contract he signed, next season is a new story.
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Where are all these unhappy people? All I see here is you? A complete and utter fanboy, by your own admission. Most of these people feel exactly like I do, wish things had worked out better and we are hoping for the best. What is the problem with that?
I also still don't understand what Harry has done wrong? You said it yourself that Gio wasn't putting forth enough effort for his entire first year here and we have played some good football this year and are in 4th place, but sure lets start a kid who has next to zero English Premier league experience because the fans like him over some of the best players we have had at the club in like 20 years in Lennon, Defoe, and Modric/Niko.
Or I could just say the masses are usually stupid and don't know what the fuck they are talking about. :wink:
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Looks like the boy got mobbed....
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This makes sense but I could see them having the loan deal in place right before the Leeds match and not wanting to get Gio hurt (he has had a few injuries since arriving here) they sit him out (the English game is far easier to get hurt in then the Turkish league I would assume) and give another promising young player, Rose (one who has more than likely been busting his ass since arriving at the club) a chance to play against his former club. Don't see the harm in that. Sure he didn't play real well but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have been given the chance.
Now if you are talking about earlier than the FA Cup match no one will ever know the real reasons why except Harry and a few others at Spurs but from Harry's comments it seems clear that Gio has not in the past put forth 100% effort so would be very unfair if he got on the bench or started over players who were giving 100% every day in training.
I also hope you are right about getting some matches before the World Cup, maybe being a surprise hit and coming back to Spurs and getting more time on the pitch next year. I would love him to be Keane's understudy so to speak and start getting more matches next year, especially with Europe on the horizon.
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What are you on about sir? I went to Uni with 2 blokes who are Tractor boys through and through and have season tickets. They saw him play every minute (albeit at home). I listen to football people, and they are most definitely that.
Why am I coming off embarrassed? You're backing a player that pretty much no other manager backs to play football in this country, as he wastes his skill because he has massive personal issues.
Yeah, me embarrassed. Christ, gibbsy. I know I should Trust Ya 'n' all - but you don't half spout a ridiculous amount of bollocks.
This is from the first two pages of this thread:
TallBlokePH
Quite sad really that Barca managed to find the lad more game time than we have given how important success is to them in terms of managers keeping their job. If he's worth hanging on to then I think we need to find him some opportunities to get on the pitch - in which case can we not find an EPL home for him on loan if Harry thinks we he's not quite ready and so can't risk giving him pitch time when we're hunting a top-4 spot?
Snuzzy
I'm saddened that he's not making the bench but Rose and Bentley are
I'd like him to replace Bentley as our next option on the wings
Michey
would've been a perfect sub against Hull
as you i was sad to see names as Rose and Bentley on the bench ahead of him
WexfordTownSpur
I just do not understand why we would put Bentley and Pav on the bench when we are obviously trying to ship them out this window? It would seem like they are just taking up space for players who are staying and should be given a chance on the bench - This would also mean to me that Gio is definitely NOT in Harry's plans! As was said, we had trouble breaking them down, so someone like Gio would have been perfect, but I guess Harry thinks not, so.........
Bentley haven't proven shit for Spurs. Have you really missed that Looking at what he cost he might even be the biggest flop in our history. I supported him longer than most on here last season but now he's just a waste of space.
Last time i checked Barca have sold players like Eto'o and Ronaldinho. Shite players DOESN'T get to play for Barca A ever....get it?!?! Feck, we even got a lesson by Barca C this summer. Does that say you anything when it comes to talents..?
Michey
Bentley haven't proven shit for Spurs. Have you really missed that Looking at what he cost he might even be the biggest flop in our history. I supported him longer than most on here last season but now he's just a waste of space.
Last time i checked Barca have sold players like Eto'o and Ronaldinho. Shite players DOESN'T get to play for Barca A ever....get it?!?! Feck, we even got a lesson by Barca C this summer. Does that say you anything when it comes to talents..?
I'm sorry you've missed the talent of Gio and since you doesn't seem to know any international football no one will be able to help you.
The last bit is just so dumb and narrow-minded that it gets embarrassing reading it
Bingy
StanSpur....YOU appear to be the BS Sprouter (sadly, I fear) because Gio is a quality, if misguided, player who's only crime seems to be his nationality! Ask a Mexican what they think about him and you will begin to see the light! COYS!
punky
He'll get torn apart in that league.
I don't want him to go. I really want to see his Mexico form for us.
mil1lion
Shame the Premier League is nothing like North American football. But i agree, i'd love to see him turn it on for us. He has the credentials of a quality player. Just needs the right attitude and workrate to match his potential. Same could be said of Taarabt.
sunnydelight786
Also needs a manager who believes in him and youth...... Gutted for both GDS and Naughton the way they have been treated. Bale is only playing because of BAE injury otherwise he was on the scrapheap too......
spurs_viola Response: There we go again with the official propaganda line about "the right attitude and workrate"...Based on what? Words from the current manager who has been saying contradictory comments about him and other players so often that it is almost impossible to take his words seriously now?
Note the link with yet another manager who worked with Gio - ie Rijkaard who is now at Galatasaray, as well as Roy Keane at Ipswich. The Gala link may of course be just smoke, but would those very demanding coaches rate Gio highly and want him back if he was this lazy trainer with bad attitude? Especially a strict disciplinarian and perfectionist like Roy Keane?
Looks like his hat got nicked. haha
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Not really many that are upset though, wanting someone to make the bench and maybe play 20 minutes at most doesn't really strike me as so unhappy. Sure it wasn't ideal but I don't see any riots outside the club for this kid to be recalled from his loan.
How many times do I have to say this, I wish he would have gotten more of a chance but by your own admission he didn't put in 100%, how in the world can you let a kid who has no experience and not putting forth 100% effort get on the pitch for quality minutes? Sure he could have been on the bench and played sparingly but is 10 minutes here and there really going to improve him or show us what he can do? I think that is unfair to us and him, Harry has shown wisdom by sending him out on loan and seeing if an old manager can get the best out of him and then maybe he can start fresh and confident next year. What in the world is wrong with this??
Just because he is going out on loan does not mean he is being sold. If Spurs wanted to get rid of him, he would be gone, if Levy can find a taker for some of the trash we have gotten rid of, Chimbonda comes to mind then what in the world makes you think we want rid of a young promising player??
Maybe just maybe you are overreacting to what seems like a sensible move for both parties, get this really young kid who has been riddled with niggling injuries and lack of effort some time on the pitch to see what he can do without damaging Spurs chances of making 4th in the toughest league in the world??
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Looks like the boy got mobbed....
Looks a bit fat and drunk in that picture...
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Quite sad really that Barca managed to find the lad more game time than we have given how important success is to them in terms of managers keeping their job. If he's worth hanging on to then I think we need to find him some opportunities to get on the pitch - in which case can we not find an EPL home for him on loan if Harry thinks we he's not quite ready and so can't risk giving him pitch time when we're hunting a top-4 spot?
In relation to the above post of mine which seems to have been quoted in the context of people being 'so unhappy' about the situation, a spot of clarification for anyone who may not have noticed the blindingly obvious issues with it being used in that way:
1 - it's a shame, not a travesty, and I'm nowhere near 'so unhappy'
2 - the post included the phrase 'if he's worth hanging on to'...that's an 'if', not a statement that he is - I've not seen enough of him to make that judgement
3 - I even suggest sending him on loan (preferably EPL so it's an equivalent level of experience), and that was in relation to the 'if' in point 2
I'm fairly pissed off that my post seems to have been either taken out of context or mis-used - I was advocating pitch time not replacing the 1st team!
Quite sad really that Barca managed to find the lad more game time than we have given how important success is to them in terms of managers keeping their job. If he's worth hanging on to then I think we need to find him some opportunities to get on the pitch - in which case can we not find an EPL home for him on loan if Harry thinks we he's not quite ready and so can't risk giving him pitch time when we're hunting a top-4 spot?
In relation to the above post of mine which seems to have been quoted in the context of people being 'so unhappy' about the situation, a spot of clarification for anyone who may not have noticed the blindingly obvious issues with it being used in that way:
1 - it's a shame, not a travesty, and I'm nowhere near 'so unhappy'
2 - the post included the phrase 'if he's worth hanging on to'...that's an 'if', not a statement that he is - I've not seen enough of him to make that judgement
3 - I even suggest sending him on loan (preferably EPL so it's an equivalent level of experience), and that was in relation to the 'if' in point 2
I'm fairly pissed off that my post seems to have been either taken out of context or mis-used - I was advocating pitch time not replacing the 1st team!
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Last post I promise. Even the posters you qoute Gibbs aren't upset. :rofl:
Tell me this isn't a great end to this thread. Can someone lock it now.
yep, and chile are ranked 15th.. classy lot the chileans
.. and Costa Rica are 44th... Gary Doherty would look world beating against that lot
Bale plays for Wales, where are they ranked?
sunnydelight786
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Wilson plays for Honduras, where are they ranked.....?
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I will be upset if Gio isn't given some pith time. From what I have seen he does offer something to the first team mostly as an impact sub. He has pace and isnt afraid to run at the opposition. In his brief appearances we have had someone who is positive in his play, recently our players have looked a little hessitant to run at people with the exception of bale and JJ (when he has been on). Obviously this is not such an issue when Lennon is fit.
Taking players on as JJ does, will not always have results (and often dont) but to not have that option in the team seems foolish. Especially for a team who has struggled to score against the anti-football teams. I am certainly not advocating a starting spot for GDS and injuries seem to have hampered him but I feel he has not been given the opportunity that someone of his promise deserves.
Taking players on as JJ does, will not always have results (and often dont) but to not have that option in the team seems foolish. Especially for a team who has struggled to score against the anti-football teams. I am certainly not advocating a starting spot for GDS and injuries seem to have hampered him but I feel he has not been given the opportunity that someone of his promise deserves.
