Gabriel Jesus

[Finchyid]

No just no

 

[fatpiranha]

He would be a very meh signing. 8 PL goals & 8 assists all season playing for the team that creates the most chances in the PL. He's versatile and runs around a lot but his finishing and final ball is mediocre. He has underperformed his xG (which shows he is isn't a great finisher) and overperformed his xA stats (which shows he plays for a team that has good finishers).

Like his namesake he promises a lot but is yet to deliver .

 

[Phil_2.0]

Gabriel Jesus a much better version of Moura. I would have no problem with this signing if we made it but if by being interested in him makes things awkward for Arsenal then I believe that is a big positive in itself. They have been pretty clear he is their main target this summer and any disruption we cause them will only be a benefit.

Arsenal are still our main competition when it comes to signing players. Chelsea are still just about in another league unfortunately in who they can sign but the ownership change brings them closer to us I think. Manchester clubs have too much money and Liverpool is a bigger draw. Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle and Aston Villa are still a bit beneath us, although Newcastle could possibly have too much money very soon.

Hopefully Champions League will give us an edge over Arsenal this summer but it should still be a policy of ours to disrupt Arsenal's Transfer Business as much as possible.

If Jesus is 4th or 5th on our list of potential attacking targets we'd want to recruit but 1st on Arsenal's list it only adds to the reason we should buy him. Simple Game Theory.

 

[Ben1]

I’ll be honest and say I’ll take him as another centre forward rather than having no other option, but I’m sure there are other options. Weghorst, Martinez, De Katalere are just 3 off the top of my head that we’ve been linked with in previous windows they might be considered.

Jesus isn't someone i particularly like, but Weghorst...crikey

 

[Snarfalicious]

Think replacing Moura with Jesus and then taking the Bergwijn money and pushing that towards a more natural #9 would be good business. I’m not necessarily a huge fan of Gabriel Jesus, though.

 

[freeeki]

In reality, GJ is substantially better than either Moura or Bergwijn, while also being able to deputise for any of our front 3 including Kane.

Plus Arsenal want him.

The more I think about it, the more sense this makes.

 

[djhotspur]

Really don’t understand why we are turning our noses up at this.

 

[dontcallme]

What makes you feel that way? Would you have anyone in mind that you believe is that right player?

Personally I think he’s perfect. Prem proven, versatile, still young, bags of skill, talent and potential. There’s only one player we could realistically attract that I’d put ahead of him and that’s Victor Osimhen, the rest that have been linked/suggested aren’t proven enough for me. Darwin Nunez looks interesting but he’s very raw and it’s a shit league where Vinicius scored a load of goals, so it’s a gamble

A lot comes down to the stage of the development the player is at and where we are buying the from.

It's easier buying players when they are making a step up as there is a better chance that they'll take time to develop into the squad and be determined to make a success of it.

For me, Jesus is moving from the best team in the country to a team below them where he's unlikely to be much higher up the pecking order. As a generalisation I feel this is not the best way to buy a player. He's at a stage where if he doesn't make it at City, surely he'll want to be the main man at his next club.

 

[ukdy]

He would be a very meh signing. 8 PL goals & 8 assists all season playing for the team that creates the most chances in the PL. He's versatile and runs around a lot but his finishing and final ball is mediocre. He has underperformed his xG (which shows he is isn't a great finisher) and overperformed his xA stats (which shows he plays for a team that has good finishers).

Like his namesake he promises a lot but is yet to deliver .

That's from 20 PL starts I think. Not a bad return.

xThis xThat xTheOther... if he's an option, I'd prefer him to Sterling.

 

[Flobadob]

A lot comes down to the stage of the development the player is at and where we are buying the from.

It's easier buying players when they are making a step up as there is a better chance that they'll take time to develop into the squad and be determined to make a success of it.

For me, Jesus is moving from the best team in the country to a team below them where he's unlikely to be much higher up the pecking order. As a generalisation I feel this is not the best way to buy a player. He's at a stage where if he doesn't make it at City, surely he'll want to be the main man at his next club.

Fair points and I can see where you’re coming from with it being a potential psychological problem. I do see him playing a lot more here though with his versatility. There’s no reason to play him out wide over City’s second choice wingers, not that they really have first or second choices but you get what I mean, I think he’d be first in line to be rotation option for any of Kane, Son or Kulu and he’d also be able to play up top instead of Kane or in a 2 with Kane or Son. I don’t think we’ll be playing 343 all the time next season, I think if we sign a creative midfielder we will see 352 a lot more and it would be good to have that tactical flexibility which he would add to, being a striker first and foremost.

Clearly I rate him more than some others but I think he’d get loads of minutes here and it’s a choice between being an important player or being the star man at Arsenal but risking not making it back to the highest level aka the CL. It’s a tough one, you can see why he’d make a final decision to go to either club really and I’d be pleased to have him here. I guess if we don’t get him and he goes to Arsenal we will see if we regret it or not

 

[ChaoticBeaver]

Good player, would improve our squad and PL proven. No brainier if City will sell and he wants to come here

 

[Mr Pink]

I'd rather Sterling out of the City linked players.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Would he work with Son and one other if Kane was out?

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

He would be a very meh signing. 8 PL goals & 8 assists all season playing for the team that creates the most chances in the PL. He's versatile and runs around a lot but his finishing and final ball is mediocre. He has underperformed his xG (which shows he is isn't a great finisher) and overperformed his xA stats (which shows he plays for a team that has good finishers).

Like his namesake he promises a lot but is yet to deliver .

For balance, he has done this in just 1,880 minutes (slightly more mins than Lucas has for us this season), which means he has a goal involvement every 117.5 minutes.

For comparison:
Kulusevski 97.46 mins per goal contribution
Son 100.7 mins per goal contribution
Kane 124.3 mins per goal contribution
Bergwijn 137.75 per goal contribution
Lucas 221.76 per goal contribution

So from a numbers perspective he'd represent a significant upgrade on Bergwijn and Lucas and would offer competition to the front 3.

 

[slartibartfast]

For balance, he has done this in just 1,880 minutes (slightly more mins than Lucas has for us this season), which means he has a goal involvement every 117.5 minutes.

For comparison:
Kulusevski 97.46 mins per goal contribution
Son 100.7 mins per goal contribution
Kane 124.3 mins per goal contribution
Bergwijn 137.75 per goal contribution
Lucas 221.76 per goal contribution

So from a numbers perspective he'd represent a significant upgrade on Bergwijn and Lucas and would offer competition to the front 3.

I dont need stats to know he's shite. Certainly not even worth half what we're talking about imo.

 

[arunspurs]

Its absolutely laughable , some here are against signing a proven PL forward....

• 90 goal contribution in PL in 9305 minutes, thats 1 goal contributed in every 103 minutes
• 20 goals & 5 assists in 38 CL games with 1 goal contributed in every 88 minutes
• Last year on the contract
• Age 25 - good resale value being Brazillian as well

We are not trying to replace Kane with Jesus. Jesus if our interest is true is to supplement Kane & Son.

Jesus can play on left side or right side or through center. He can play in highest of competition properly replacing any of our forwards, without huge degradation in quality

IMO under Conte, his numbers could be far higher than at City. Jesus likes spaces behind the defense to run into - which he rarely gets at City due to their massive posession based football and opponents parking bus. He will get lot more chances in terms of time than at City.

40-50m deal for him is absolute steal. Only question is, whether he wants to play a big fish in small pond of Arsenal strikers.
His quality is certainly not in question for me.If Conte wants him, we should go get him.

 

[TPdYID]

I dont need stats to know he's shite. Certainly not even worth half what we're talking about imo.

Your argument is a tough position to defend.

Sounds to me like you’ve got a pre determined opinion and you’ll fight that lazy fight until the bitter end irrespective of a counter argument(s).

Essentially trying to reason with you is a chronic waste of time.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Its absolutely laughable , some here are against signing a proven PL forward....

• 90 goal contribution in PL in 9305 minutes, thats 1 goal contributed in every 103 minutes
• 20 goals & 5 assists in 38 CL games with 1 goal contributed in every 88 minutes
• Last year on the contract
• Age 25 - good resale value being Brazillian as well

We are not trying to replace Kane with Jesus. Jesus if our interest is true is to supplement Kane & Son.

Jesus can play on left side or right side or through center. He can play in highest of competition properly replacing any of our forwards, without huge degradation in quality

IMO under Conte, his numbers could be far higher than at City. Jesus likes spaces behind the defense to run into - which he rarely gets at City due to their massive posession based football and opponents parking bus. He will get lot more chances in terms of time than at City.

40-50m deal for him is absolute steal. Only question is, whether he wants to play a big fish in small pond of Arsenal strikers.
His quality is certainly not in question for me.If Conte wants him, we should go get him.

Thanks for info, didn't realise his numbers were that good. Still wonder if he could stand in for Kane successfully. I guess in Fabio and Conte we have to trust IF he's the one they want

 

[Dashy]

He could follow in his Fathers footsteps and be suited to more of a creator role, rather than just getting on the end of crosses.

 

[paulcumpstone]

I agree his stats are impressive but he is playing for a team that dominate so often so in truth his stats will be inflated. Good player no doubt but not sure where he would play, has excellent movement and offers somebody that would run inbehind more.