Fresh starts

[Geyzer Soze]

*wait's for inevitable grammar correction in lieu of argument ...*

 

[Montasura]

not at all, but personally I wouldn't have the front to criticise a whole group of my peers unless I lived through their issues/fears/highs and lows - thats all, it was the collective nature of the statement which was also bang out of order but hey he is obviously a deeply frustrated chap

Oh right, so a fan forced to watch from home, abroad, anywhere but WHL doesn't live through the same issues/fears/highs and lows?

 

[Francis Gibbs]

*wait's for inevitable grammar correction in lieu of argument ...*

...... wouldnt be surprised

 

[Geyzer Soze]

...... wouldnt be surprised

*wouldn't*

 

[Legend10]

..... at least your thinking now, your wrong of course but its a start - congratulatons

I don't think i am wrong, am i?

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Oh right, so a fan forced to watch from home, abroad, anywhere but WHL doesn't live through the same issues/fears/highs and lows?

they live through the same set of issues/fears/highs and lows but without the regular travel, time and financial commitment which are the key components of attending games regularly which heightens the senses/emotions around all of those items

 

[dagraham]

Yay! Here we go again with another thread about how an ST holders opinion is more valid than someone who doesn't get to WHL.

To be fair, it is more valid when the subject is about how bad the ST holders are. Easy to criticise from afar and all to easy to lump together all the home fans as boo boys and all the away fans as amazing.

 

[Montasura]

*woudn't*

Actually it is *wouldn't* - it is a silent L

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Actually it is *wouldn't* - it is a silent L

 

[Mr Pink]

they live through the same set of issues/fears/highs and lows but without the regular travel, time and financial commitment which are the key components of attending games regularly which heightens the senses/emotions around all of those items

I don't have a season ticket but its costs me around 300 quid every time I go to see a game - which is about 5-6 times a season.

What category do I fall under then? The guts of 1500 quid is surely a hefty enough financial commitment albeit not quite the same as all that going directly to the Club - but that;s what it costs me.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

But in the real world what is so 'fucked up'?

4th, 5th, 4th, 5th and currently 5th, only ever behind clubs with massively bigger budgets than us, so what is so 'fucked up'?

Exactly that. Finishing 4th doesn't set my world alight. Apart for my emotional investment in this club,.....What's the point? Are we to enjoy not winning now. Losers that's what we are.

 

[Legend10]

Exactly that. Finishing 4th doesn't set my world alight. Apart for my emotional investment in this club,.....What's the point? Are we to enjoy not winning now. Losers that's what we are.

Well unless you support City, Utd or Chelsea that's about it unless we change our priorities away from the league towards cup competitions, but they don't have the financial rewards?

 

[parklane yid]

Here goes (sharp intake of breath!)

I have supported Daniel Levy and Enic since they arrived, I supported them through almost all of their decisions including the dismissal of Harry Rednapp.
I bought into the project with AVB and also can see why he was dismissed as well, although none of us really know entirely what happened there. I think in the past few months I have like a lot of other SC and spurs fans have become a little disillusioned with the way the club is going. I am now for the first time worried that we have lost our way and lost it from the top, to the point where maybe Enic should concider looking at selling this wonderful club to someone that can take it to the next level, the management of this club has been superb at times, even the biggest Levy haters have to agree we have progressed massively in his tenure, but I suppose everyone has a ceiling they may hit, and I am starting to think they have hit it.

Along with this I as others feel the heart and soul has been ripped out of this club in the past year or two, the thing is I don't see any of what I have said happening, and in some ways I hope I am proved wrong and DL does turn us into a super power! Sadly I just don't see it happening.

We as fans have had our expectations raised, and with that we expect better football and more committed displays than we are seeing! And really is that wrong? If the club have put us to a level and we as fans pay huge amounts of money to help find this then why shouldn't we expect this level? I run a restaurant, if I carry on charging the prices I do but let my levels of standards drop I will lose business, simple really.

I am a realist and know that you cannot stay at a level for ever as Manchester Utd are showing and Liverpool showed before them, but we really haven't helped ourselves lately with the sales if such great players and without replacing them adequatly.

Anyway that's my vent over, I feel quite sad today as I am a very positive person and have always stuck up for my beloved spurs but last night watching that match changed something inside me.

God what a drama queen, levy has ensured we are in line with financial fair play, injected loads of cash into our club, done good business and is developing an amazing new stadium, he has tried to give us big name managers and acted we we all moaned that we wanted them out, he is about to bring LVG in the summer he is always trying to improve spurs and he truely loves spurs with a sensible business head on, stop wining and support your club, yes yesterday was poor but that is not levys fault or Sherwood's, it we have to many heartless lazy players in our team, no heart or fight , oh and bale and modric wanted to leave it wasn't Levys fault he got good money for them

 

[eddiev14]

Then deluded i must be, because without the fans the club are nothing, without the fans management will be gone, without the fans it's thoroughly miserable for players as well.

I absolutely believe that management and players do give a toss about the fans.

They give a toss about 'customers', but the fans as a collective, season ticket holders and the like? I'm not so sure they give a toss.

The whole StubHub thing is just an excercise by the club to find out how much on average people are willing to pay to go and watch Spurs, planning for the ticket pricing in the new stadium if you will. They don't care if you're a die hard fan who wants to create an atmosphere or a tourist who wants to see some 'EPL soccer' - as long as you stump up the cash then you're fine by them.

I don't think it extends much beyond that. Well, obviously they are interested in developing the fanbase in other parts of the world, but tell me that has nothing to do with the revenues they can make from commercial partnerships, merchandising and TV rights....

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Well unless you support City, Utd or Chelsea that's about it unless we change our priorities away from the league towards cup competitions, but they don't have the financial rewards?

Yep, that's the case all right. Coupled with watching a team that sent us the message yesterday that they clearly don't give a shit. Makes the whole thing unpleasant to be around. I notice Verts is looking for a move if we don't get top four. He's a great player, but he's had a sad arse face all season,....just go.
We cant move up so the only way is the same or worse,..where's the fun in that!

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

The big boys (FA,PL,UEFA,FIFA) have I suspect monopolised and manipulated the football Leagues and Cups to serve only those with the most. Arseholes the lot of them!

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

IT'S ALL OUR FAULT!!

Sing with me people

IT'S ALL OUR FAULT
IT'S ALL OUR FAULT

 

[dondo]

I don't have a season ticket but its costs me around 300 quid every time I go to see a game - which is about 5-6 times a season.

What category do I fall under then? The guts of 1500 quid is surely a hefty enough financial commitment albeit not quite the same as all that going directly to the Club - but that;s what it costs me.

Not been to a game for about 4 years now and to be honest I dont miss it. Had a season ticket for 5-6 years before that and had to give it up for money/time reasons, I think in the end I was going more out of habbit than anything else.
Enjoy watching matches on the tv/tinternet with a beer in the comfort of my own home with no winging abusive fan in my ear hole.
I love spurs as much now as I did then but I dont enjoy going to the matches anymore, does this make me any less of a fan?

 

[lillywhites61]

God what a drama queen, levy has ensured we are in line with financial fair play, injected loads of cash into our club, done good business and is developing an amazing new stadium, he has tried to give us big name managers and acted we we all moaned that we wanted them out, he is about to bring LVG in the summer he is always trying to improve spurs and he truely loves spurs with a sensible business head on, stop wining and support your club, yes yesterday was poor but that is not levys fault or Sherwood's, it we have to many heartless lazy players in our team, no heart or fight , oh and bale and modric wanted to leave it wasn't Levys fault he got good money for them

Firstly I'm not a drama queen, secondly I agree with all you have said about what levy and Enic have done through out the years, it is possible you know that someone or a company can do good in a company and yet not be able to complete a project, I haven't said he has done a bad job, I have said maybe we have hit a ceiling with Enic, I also am not knee jerking, I have supported levy and Enic since they took over and up until the last few months still tried to believe but something doesn't seem right and it's not just the Norwich game. We have been pretty poor for a while, we have been lucky with results on more than one occasion this season and are scraping our way along. And I'm not sure if LVG is coming? How an you be so sure? If he does brilliant but nothing is set in stone, let's put it this way I hope I am proved very wrong! But after supporting this club for 37 years and seeing many ups and downs I am entitled to voice an opinion.

Finally I'm not sure how the performance of a team is not in any way the fault of the manager? To be fair I think Tim for his lack of experience has done a decent job but to say he has no blame when we lose away to Norwich with a whimper is bizarre.